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Posted: 10 years ago
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I think forum is pretty divided on the Salman- Tanna stand off today.

I just want to point out, that no matter how people perceive Salman;s behavior, the fact is that the industry works like this. The STARS, the bigger they are, the more you bend over, because they have their egos and their power in place. Vivek Oberoi is an excellent example of how taking up even for the right thing screws you over, especially if it is against a super star. Countless blind fans also revere all the STARS, irrespective of their behavior, whether it is them cheating on their wives, or them killing people, or them being the meanest and bitchiest people out there. That's the way the industry works, and no one dares take pangas with any of the big stars.

Now, is this the right attitude? No. it is not. I don't support it. At all. I feel these stars are not gods or anything that they should be shown respect. respect for what I wonder?

However, to be fair, BB is a show that is meant to follow this format of being put in all kinds of uncomfortable situations on national TV. You signed up for this and you got paid a big fat cheque to endure EXACTLY this kind of stuff. This is the 8th season, not the first. All previous seasons have been way more vicious in terms of name calling, and mud slinging. Dolly Bindra has said some super demeaning stuff to Shweta Tiwari on her character, so has Sky on Mahek Chahal, and so have a lot of other people. Things about their past have been raised, questions on their career choices have been raised, character assassination has been done over and over, be it a man or a woman, and people have been linked irrespective of their status outside of the show. You are literally at the mercy of the makers to show what they choose to show and it's not just Tanna, jokes have been made on everyone including Gautam-sonali-upen, Dimpy-Ali, Gautam-Diandra, Arya-Minissha, Soni-Upen, Upen-Sushant etc. Everyone knew they were signing up for any kind of jokes and mudslinging. This season compared to the others has been very mild on that front, if you ask me.

Also, if you are so affected by stuff, ask to be evicted and be nominated. I don't understand why people behave so shocked at scandalous stuff like they have never seen previous big boss seasons or don't know the format of the show or don't realize that scandals make TRP's so makers will milk every slight chance they get and make angles where there are none. Salman is given a script. He is too big a star to care to make jokes on certain people or like or dislike any of them personally. He is doing his job for which he is paid a shit ton of money. And bb contestants are paid a shit ton of money to be put on national tv and be made fun of. So i'm sorry if I don't sympathize with any of them for whatever.

Also, to be fair to Salman, ex contestants have said how he bashes Gautam and Puneet almost every episode but it is all edited out. I don't think what is edited and what makers choose to show is Salman's fault. nor is he personally involved in any of those housemates. He reads off a ready made script. He doesn't sit and watch all episodes or live feed to have personal favorites or grudges. Uske paas itna time nahi hai boss. Usse makers scripts ke saath weekly gist dete hain. He comes and does his job. So why bash him?

Even Di's pregnancy rumors were planted by someone for TRP, maligning, ruinign someone's chances of winning, or whatever. As celebrities, in a show like big boss, they are almost signing up for such things. Di cleared the air and matter is over. she is not crying buckets over what people are making up about her.

Yes, Karishma was made fun of every episode and I understand her crying on pent up emotion. I did feel bad for her, because one could see she felt isolated and of course if the whole episode she was made fun of, any one would break down. She also finally got a reality check that she is not being seen positively outside. I think it was a culmination of everything. So my heart did go out to her. but bashing Salman is really silly, because he is not personally hating on her. He is given a script. BB makers know that making fun of Karishma garners laughter on WKW and she is an easy target thanks to her own dumb reactions, and they milk in on that. Salman ko kya lena dena Karishma, ya kisi aur se. None of them are his family or people he loves. That is exactly why he stopped Sangeet Bijlani from entering big boss because he knew how the show would not be in his control and she could land up putting her reputation and image in danger and he would be put in a spot to speak against her on WKW, if the script demanded it. So, he is not personal about anyone on the show, only doing his job. So why bash him? If Karishma is telling the host "its not funny' or making faces at him, will only garner that reaction from him. He is not their daddy to console them when they are upset. He is the host and he has to do his job.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well Said!!!

However I am still don't get why Karishma cried? she brought it all on herself! She acted like she knows celebrities and honestly me not being in that industry and I still know that don't bring any celebrity down you never know how this can come and bite you in the A$$, the moment she was going through that list and her attitude towards that task I was like, come weekend Salman is gonna pick on her! I would too if I were the host.
Like Salman said, audiences want to be entertained, and teasing her on her foolish actions is entertaining and this week was full of Karshi foolishness!!! like come on!!! .
So I am not sure why she was upset. She could have easily said, yep my mistake and taken it sportingly! so thats on her.
Coming to Salman, I think he is entertaining but I don't understand why he got upset that Karishma cried. He should've been like- why don't you finish crying and we will carry on. I don't think there was any need for him to get so hyper. Part of me thinks that there is a lot to this story than what was shown!
oh well, both Karish and Salman need to grow up but hey ho! I got my entertainment for tonight!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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no doubt salman has done some great work in his carreer but damn his habit of tragetting a person never seems to end. completely unfair how karishma 's actions are always questioned yet he does not say anthing to worse actions done by other housemates like puneet I completely don't agree with all of katishmas decisions during her captainship, dut other have made same bias mistakes! yet karishmas is made a mountain out of a molehill. seems like a personal vendetta tbh. tooo much personally involved in the show for a host. host the show don't thrust your opinions just because you can! see like de ja vu from last season LOOOL karishmas break done understandable after being interrogated satrday then sunday questioned teased over her relationship with pritam! its not funni she may be worried how her bf reacts! he might not like this type pf joke! how would salman like it if his sister was teased about another man just especially shortly after her wedding!! DISGUSTING! not to mention that pritams pregnant hormonal wife may not also appreciate this low class humour, given we saw how much she misses him during one of the tasks. salman only got angry cos he realised he was worng and fingers would point at him! end of story
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: taz15

no doubt salman has done some great work in his carreer but damn his habit of tragetting a person never seems to end. completely unfair how karishma 's actions are always questioned yet he does not say anthing to worse actions done by other housemates like puneet I completely don't agree with all of katishmas decisions during her captainship, dut other have made same bias mistakes! yet karishmas is made a mountain out of a molehill. seems like a personal vendetta tbh. tooo much personally involved in the show for a host. host the show don't thrust your opinions just because you can! see like de ja vu from last season LOOOL karishmas break done understandable after being interrogated satrday then sunday questioned teased over her relationship with pritam! its not funni she may be worried how her bf reacts! he might not like this type pf joke! how would salman like it if his sister was teased about another man just especially shortly after her wedding!! DISGUSTING! not to mention that pritams pregnant hormonal wife may not also appreciate this low class humour, given we saw how much she misses him during one of the tasks. salman only got angry cos he realised he was worng and fingers would point at him! end of story


Again, I reiterate, that ex contestants have claimed he bashes everyone, but makers edit it out to show what they want to show, i.e emphasis on Karishma.

Karishma herself has made comments on Sonali, saying she flits between Upen and Gautam, she also made a joke on how Ali bakhla jaata hai Dimpy saamne aa jati hai tab, keeping in mind both of them have a relationship outside of the house.

Point is, it's easy when you laugh at others and link up others, but when it comes to you, it seems like the world is against you for a personal reason. Salman has not singled her, but made fun of everyone, linking up every kind of relationship whether it is Sonali and Gautam-Upen, or Gautam-Diandra or Sushant-Upen or Dimpy-Ali.

The show's format is such, that it's almost expected. The reason why a lot of celebs, even if out of work, don;t sign up for big boss, because they know what ends up being talked about or shown is not in their control.

I agree the focus was too much on Karishma, and I even wrote yesterday that i hoped to see more issues instead of just Karishma, and also how Gautam got away too easily, but, bashing Salman makes no sense, because like I said, he has a script, and he is noone's daddy to keep feelings in mind, when these contestants are paid to be on the show and be made fun of. Reality TV is not for pampering feelings and keeping their personal characters in mind. It is for entertainment, scandal and mudslinging and the one who braves out all of this stuff, ends up winning. So sorry, if I don;t have too much sympathy for any of these housemates. I didn;t put up a post about Diandra's fake pregnancy rumors, because being part of a show like big boss, garners some bad PR and character assassination by other PR agencies. She cleared it and now matter is over. No need to be so shocked and scadalized at being linked up on a show that has shown worse in previous seasons. If it affects your bf outside and you and your family so much, don't sign up for big boss man. This place is not for coming out clean as a swan.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pp29


Again, I reiterate, that ex contestants have claimed he bashes everyone, but makers edit it out to show what they want to show, i.e emphasis on Karishma.

Karishma herself has made comments on Sonali, saying she flits between Upen and Gautam, she also made a joke on how Ali bakhla jaata hai Dimpy saamne aa jati hai tab, keeping in mind both of them have a relationship outside of the house.

Point is, it's easy when you laugh at others and link up others, but when it comes to you, it seems like the world is against you for a personal reason. Salman has not singled her, but made fun of everyone, linking up every kind of relationship whether it is Sonali and Gautam-Upen, or Gautam-Diandra or Sushant-Upen or Dimpy-Ali.

The show's format is such, that it's almost expected. The reason why a lot of celebs, even if out of work, don;t sign up for big boss, because they know what ends up being talked about or shown is not in their control.

I agree the focus was too much on Karishma, and I even wrote yesterday that i hoped to see more issues instead of just Karishma, and also how Gautam got away too easily, but, bashing Salman makes no sense, because like I said, he has a script, and he is noone's daddy to keep feelings in mind, when these contestants are paid to be on the show and be made fun of. Reality TV is not for pampering feelings and keeping their personal characters in mind. It is for entertainment, scandal and mudslinging and the one who braves out all of this stuff, ends up winning. So sorry, if I don;t have too much sympathy for any of these housemates. I didn;t put up a post about Diandra's fake pregnancy rumors, because being part of a show like big boss, garners some bad PR and character assassination by other PR agencies. She cleared it and now matter is over. No need to be so shocked and scadalized at being linked up on a show that has shown worse in previous seasons. If it affects your bf outside and you and your family so much, don't sign up for big boss man. This place is not for coming out clean as a swan.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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totally get your point! i am not saying karishma is right i am simply saying salmans approach is damn wrong! also like you said karishma has been the source of many jokes at other people cost. for example like sonali and upen kissing encouragement. but at no point did upen or sonali say i am not finding this funni or stop. however karishma clearly did!!!!! she stood up for herself, when she felt she was being cornered! salutes to her cos its not easy to stand up to powerful celebs. what salman should have done was graciously aploigsed for any offfense and explained it was in jest an not intended. and moved on with the show without thrusting his power and walking off set! no he made her feel powerless and made her feel asif she should even apolgoise for her feelings. infact he went as fare as saying dont try and turn this around on me cos i can easly trun the tables! Mr khan is worried how ppl going to percieve his image and justifies himself. ironic really considering how on saturday he didnt want to hear any of karishmas justifications, explaining its like talking to a brick wall. well ditto mr khan! right back at ya. you wanted to justify yourself and were not hearing any of it from upen! who he so rudely told to shupt up!!! just wow!! vade vade log vadde vadde bhatien! LOOOL

also as u said alot of what salman says is scripted, however to the contray i feel alot of it is improvised and upon reactions. cos lets face it on a reality show u cant scrpit a dilague to some level. also clearly salman like to put his own input more then necessry, e.g puns-term of affcetion deffo not scrpited, high;ighting his personal stance, relationships thus onipons and biasness.

also u said about the PR, ofcourse, these are not extreme talented housemates or else lets face it they wouldnt be in the house, but that doesnt mean becaosue of their past they shoud be insulted or denied the right to feel a certain way. or be sterotypes as ofcouse their going to behave like this cos theyre just here fo fame. judge on actions-and karishmas acttions at that point on time showed a truly broken women! theres a thin line in humour. if everones not laughing with u maybe its not funni.

also i disagree that she shouldnt have not signed up just because she is worried about how it might affcet relationships outside e.g her bf. if that was a fear then noone would ever attempt anything!!!! there should be a limit right-in a day and age where advertisments are scenorered then why cant the host of the show consider the consequences of his comments? (in the uk we they bleep out branded products such as nutella and sponsors of the show) she clearly felt she has poised her self in a manner so she wouldnt have any affair scandals that would affcet her relationship. the only person one can control is yurself, and she felt she can so she came in. however, if others are instigating false rumour its not right. its not her actions that will affcet the family its other people actions towards her. and these actions have no basis so yh its annoying and justifies why shes upset! despite doing nothing wrong these rumors arise!! the host should host-not be over opinionated. i use to watch the uk bigg boss version 2, and never has the host walked out in the middle of the show. no need to! she never oper stepped her place!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't like tanna at all, but being a woman I understand that sometimes you cannot hold back your tears...and the smallest of things can bring them on...salman shouldn't have reacted the way he did...is he God that no one can object to his jokes...does everyone have to find his jokes funny, what rubbish...he is a good host but he should control himself, host also has to listen to everyone and not react.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: desighal

Well Said!!!

However I am still don't get why Karishma cried? she brought it all on herself! She acted like she knows celebrities and honestly me not being in that industry and I still know that don't bring any celebrity down you never know how this can come and bite you in the A$$, the moment she was going through that list and her attitude towards that task I was like, come weekend Salman is gonna pick on her! I would too if I were the host.
Like Salman said, audiences want to be entertained, and teasing her on her foolish actions is entertaining and this week was full of Karshi foolishness!!! like come on!!! .
So I am not sure why she was upset. She could have easily said, yep my mistake and taken it sportingly! so thats on her.
Coming to Salman, I think he is entertaining but I don't understand why he got upset that Karishma cried. He should've been like- why don't you finish crying and we will carry on. I don't think there was any need for him to get so hyper. Part of me thinks that there is a lot to this story than what was shown!
oh well, both Karish and Salman need to grow up but hey ho! I got my entertainment for tonight!


you totally echoed me Kwerk. Thats exactly how I'm feeling. My heart do goes out for karishma and i feel its totally fine that you go out of control someday. Even with salman, i think he felt that blame would come on him ?! for making her cry, you know ? How he was saying that "don't turn things on me".. I guess, Somewhere on that lines he was thinking. He probably didn't expect it that coming from a fun session 😆. He needs to be bit more sensitive. thats all. He is entertaining though.

@tm- great written post, very balanced approach to this topic.
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