Role of Religion in Public Schools? - Page 23

Originally posted by: T

I don't think I can add any more to this topic, so I shall exit as well and let the debating continue. 😊

oh me too. unless of course there are some dramatic new developments in the case. or some startling new revelations😉😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

did i say taliban is a religion? 😛 it's their version of islam. and here's another you can try out. the ayatollah versions. pick your brand😉

what version... there is no different version... its just gradations of hypersensitivity, thats all...😊

u questioned that church-state separation was not basic american philosophy. now that u are told that it was there in the constitution, you are picking on implementation? esteemed stuff. 😉...please show me wherever church and school separation is part of the constitution and I would agree with what you are saying.... ok... now dont go round and round interpreting something to your convenience...😉.. church and state can include presidents office, governors office....the post office may be..😆. but shouldnt include the school...😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

oh me too. unless of course there are some dramatic new developments in the case. or some startling new revelations😉😆

there is a week to go CB... so stay put...😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

oh since you so nicely put it, maybe i will😉

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆😆😆 that is soooo cute. Reminds me of one summer when I enrolled my kids to YMCA Summer camp. Younger one was five at the time. They used to sing songs praising jesus at the camp too. One such song was:

if i had a little white box

to put my jesus in

i'll take him out

and kiss kiss kiss

and pass it to a friend.

if I had a little black box to put the devil in

I'll take him out

and smack smack smack

and put him right back in.

well, my gayatri mantra narrating five year old just switched "ram ji" for jesus and was happily singing away this song to her heart's content every day for about the first couple of weeks. then, a counsellor there noted that she is not saying jesus and asked her what does "ram ji" means. she innocently explained that "ram ji" means hindu people's jesus😆. but she was told not to switch jesus with ram ji. since YMCA is a christian non-profit organization, there's little we can do. my little one told me later that in her heart, she was still sweitching "ram ji" for jesus😆

so you see qwerto, kids are very bright and they pick religious stuff thru osmosis a lot and the family culture a lot. if my five year old is aware of respecting other religions but practicing her own, i'm sure other kids are capable of doing that too. why should we then force religion...that too the one which is not theirs...down their throat at school???

😆 😆 Cute story GD 😆 Bolo aapki bachchi ko Shabash 😃

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

😆 😆 Cute story GD 😆 Bolo aapki bachchi ko Shabash 😃

😆😆 thanks DB Jaan. Will pat her back for sure😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

haha, the taliban and ayatollah versions are just "different gradations of hypersensitivity". 😆well now, how if you were to pick one of these nice "hypersentivities" and apply it to grade schools? given how you are so open to teaching kids anything, that wld be fine with you, no?😛

the church-separation idea is more complex. just fyi, here's what the first amendment dating back to 1791 (?) has: congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... That immediately shoots down the idea of state-sponsored religion, doesn't it? so there!😉

and oh yes, you will not find the exact phrase "separation of church and state" anywhere if that's what you are looking for. same as you will not find the famous american phrases "right to privacy" and "fair trial" anywhere. but these principles still exist as bedrock american philosophy, specifically because the constitutution lays out various other conditions that lead to them. and for the most part, even a rightish supreme court has understood these conditions for eons. get it now?😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha, the taliban and ayatollah versions are just "different gradations of hypersensitivity". 😆well now, how if you were to pick one of these nice "hypersentivities" and apply it to grade schools? given how you are so open to teaching kids anything, that wld be fine with you, no?😛

the church-separation idea is more complex. just fyi, here's what the first amendment dating back to 1791 (?) has: congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... That immediately shoots down the idea of state-sponsored religion, doesn't it? so there!😉 sure you have a field day with such loose definitionss.....😆which is why supreme court waited 150 years to do something absurd.....

your favorite google has something more....

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Although the First Amendment only explicitly prohibits the named rights from being abridged by laws made by Congress, the courts have interpreted it as applying more broadly.

----- so it means itsfun all the way.

and oh yes, you will not find the exact phrase "separation of church and state" anywhere if that's what you are looking for. same as you will not find the famous american phrases "right to privacy" and "fair trial" anywhere. sure not in the law books as well.. how are u so sure..you kind of making sphaghetti like situation for yourself.....😆 but these principles still exist as bedrock american philosophy, specifically because the constitutution lays out various other conditions that lead to them. and for the most part, even a rightish supreme court has understood these conditions for eons. get it now?😉...

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

lol. so sorry you missed out on providing the version you want in schools- the taliban one or the ayatollah one. oh well. looks like there's not going to be any religion now. couldnt get a fix on the curriculum😉😆

as for the google bit, why is it so hard for you to believe that some folks dont have to use it as a crutch all the time? not that it's a bad thing. if it works for you, go for it.😉

now, church state separation. whatever. with your current interpretations, we will probably not find "right of privacy" or "right to a fair trial" either, will we? what should we do then? shoot first and then search?😉😆