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This post is about looking ahead and not at the past, though the future may have its roots in the past. From Gangaur 1 to Gangaur 2, Jalal and Jodha have completed a circle. How far have they come and what seems to be the road they will take now?


Even a couple of days back, I had high hopes (along with many friends here) that Gangaur 2 will bring in the second phase of love, so to speak, in JJ's life. But Gangaur has come and gone (?) And seemingly on the face of it, nothing has changed. There are no flowers blooming, no birds singing, no rainbow in the sky, no cherubs playing on their harps. If at all anything has happened, it seems to be the return of the early days of marriage. Jodha is seen slipping into a quicksand of anger, resentment, hurt, pain, bitterness and that fearsome word, ghrina. Jalal is seemingly in love but also getting intent on breaking Jodha's guroor.

Where has all the love gone? Is one dhakka by Jodha, one night of accusations by Jalal enough to wreck a relationship in which both partners claim to love each other so much that they can die for each other and snatch the other from the jaws of death?

True, the incidents are devastating for lesser mortals. But JJ are not lesser mortals. They are legendary lovers. Still remembered after 4 centuries. Can they react in the same fashion as us, who have no hopes of ever being recalled for our love stories by anyone other than our very close ones? Why are we imposing our reactions, our expectations, our disappointments on them? Surely, if they were so similar to us, they would end up as another dead royal couple, gathering dust in their tombs?

At the moment, Jodha is burning up with more and more anger every time she looks at Jalal. It was apparent in the way she fought with him in the sword fight scene. The intensity of anger is much more than it was in Sword Fight 1. The passion is much less. The angrier she gets, the more she hurts the ego of Jalal, who is increasingly believing that her ego is preventing her from forgiving him and moving on. He clearly tells her yesterday that he has buried his ego and come for her; then why can't she bury her ego and go back with him? Why indeed?

Why is Jodha getting angrier instead of allowing herself to be wooed and healed? She is so hurt in love that she has built a protective barrier around herself so that she cannot be hurt again. Mansi calls this the empty shell of ego. Try as he might, Jalal cannot pierce this barrier and reach her heart. Like last year, she herself has to break down this barrier and seek him. How can she do this? Will the magic word "trust" be enough to convince her? Not really. In her shell, words have no meaning. Only actions do. She was never and she will never be one to be swayed by words. If she has to again say "Hum aap se ghrina nahin karte, hum aap par vishwas karte hain aur aap hum par", she needs concrete proof that her husband has indeed changed for the better.

Last year, it was easier for Jalal because they were both in Agra and he could, through his actions, convince her of his trust in her. This year, it's harder. He cannot do much in Amer. She won't come to Agra. What is he going to do? He cannot linger on in Amer when his throne is being attacked from all sides by the very people he had trusted it to. He cannot let the sultanat crumble and his people orphaned because he has to win back his love. Today or tomorrow, he has to return.

What about Jodha? She is in no frame of mind to return with him and give him another chance. Some say she should be given time just like Jalal took his time to get over the dhakka. Just because he made a mistake by holding onto his grudge, should Jodha repeat that mistake? And truly speaking, they were hardly in love at that time. It was more a case of physical attraction. Some say she had to drink poison to convince him of her loyalty and love. So does that mean she has to push him to death to believe in his trust and love? Is this what love is at the end of the day? A tit-for-tat taraazu in which both must continually balance their grudges, their mistakes, their mutual hurt?

Jodha has a case for seeking respect for her identity and trust from her husband. I strongly support her cause and her desire to fight for it. But she has to be clear about what she is fighting. She is not fighting Jalal but his lapses of judgement, his misplaced trust in the wrong people, his egoistic mood swings. She has to differentiate the man from his actions. She has to condemn his actions and force him to change them. But she should not condemn the man himself for those actions when he is ready to change. And ready to change Jalal is at the moment because he is so scared of losing her. Herein lies the crux. Jodha is not able to see that this is perhaps her best chance ever to change her husband because she is so caught up in her own perception of reality.

Some may well ask what proof is there that he will change? That he has said all this and more earlier too and then either forgotten his words himself or been brainwashed by others. Does love need proof? Friendship may need proof, marriage may need proof, but love? Love is implicit faith at the soul level. You just believe in your beloved because he/she is your beloved and you know that you can believe in him/her. Period. You don't need proof. You don't ask questions. You expect nothing in return. You just love and you go on giving chance after chance to your beloved because you cannot envisage any future without them.

I am not saying these words only for Jodha but Jalal too. If they have to end the stalemate and move ahead, they have to simply love the other and do nothing else. They simply need to know in their own heart that they can believe the other because they love that person. No questions asked, no long discussions, no proof sought. No seeking or expecting forgiveness. No seeking or expecting love/faith/trust in return. Jodha must lead herself to believe that she can go back to Jalal and she will have nothing to fear again. Jalal must believe that he doesn't need to "break her guroor", that she will return to him one day, never to leave again.

The way this process of discovering implicit faith in their beloved is shown in the serial is anyone's guess. But our concern should not be how it is portrayed on screen but that they achieve it. And they must have achieved it at some point in time because that is what they are remembered for today.

This then is the story of their journey ahead. A journey of discovering and breaking all barriers within themselves against love and implicit faith. A journey of merging their identities into one. A journey of allowing their souls to become one.

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This post is dedicated to Maddy whose questions keep provoking me to think in different directions. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I want to know one thing actually it's not exactly connected with this topic sorry for that radhika but when u mentioned from gangaur1 to gangaur 2 I started thinking Jo has already celebrated 2 holies after coming to Agra 1 when she accidentally splashed colour on Ma's face and another one in Mathura. And both the occasions are celebrated between two gangaurs. I find it bit confusing or am I missing something?
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Radhika u srsly amazing with words and explaining things beautifully
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Radhika awesme post buddy 👏
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radhika right post on right time will add my views later
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superb!! this forum needs sane minds...u r one of them...I am thankful to Maddy that she made u do this!
love u❤️
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Very nice post,dont bo why cv's are not thinking this much.
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Great post! Will share my thoughts soemtime.
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

This post is about looking ahead and not at the past, though the future may have its roots in the past. From Gangaur 1 to Gangaur 2, Jalal and Jodha have completed a circle. How far have they come and what seems to be the road they will take now?

Oww Radhika 🤗 for you for dedicating the post to me. I am really touched. Thank you for writing I make you think - to me there can be no bigger compliment. Big Thanks. 😃


Even a couple of days back, I had high hopes (along with many friends here) that Gangaur 2 will bring in the second phase of love, so to speak, in JJ's life. But Gangaur has come and gone (?) And seemingly on the face of it, nothing has changed. There are no flowers blooming, no birds singing, no rainbow in the sky, no cherubs laying on their harps. If at all anything has happened, it seems to be the return of the early days of marriage. Jodha is seen slipping into a quicksand of anger, resentment, hurt, pain, bitterness and that fearsome word, ghrina. Jalal is seemingly in love but also getting intent on breaking Jodha's guroor.

I am afraid if the precap is not misleading they seem to back where they started after their marriage and now are worst off. Both of them. They both have this intense attraction and what they like to call love now for each other. Their hatred was their strength now it is also not there.

Where has all the love gone? Is one dhakka by Jodha, one night of accusations by Jalal enough to wreck a relationship in which both partners claim to love each other so much that they can die for each other and snatch the other from the jaws of death?

I am afraid to call this love. This is some kind of junoon where they both end up hurting each other the most. Won't love have trust? Jalal can doubt her even after she drank poison has made Jodha fear that she is never going to win his trust ever. What more can she do? So when for Jodha trust is the most important in love, he is not trusting her is making her doubt her love. Did she not think that he can't be the man I love!

Did she not say to him once I do not hate you now cos you are the one who trusts me? Now Jodha thinks he does not trust her. I agree Jalal had great reasons but he just went way way overboard that he lost the very foundation.

True, the incidents are devastating for lesser mortals. But JJ are not lesser mortals. They are legendary lovers. Still remembered after 4 centuries. Can they react in the same fashion as us, who have no hopes of ever being recalled for our love stories by anyone other than our very close ones? Why are we imposing our reactions, our expectations, our disappointments on them? Surely, if they were so similar to us, they would end up as another dead royal couple, gathering dust in their tombs?

At the moment, Jodha is burning up with more and more anger every time she looks at Jalal. It was apparent in the way she fought with him in the sword fight scene. The intensity of anger is much more than it was in Sword Fight 1. The passion is much less. The angrier she gets, the more she hurts the ego of Jalal, who is increasingly believing that her ego is preventing her from forgiving him and moving on. He clearly tells her yesterday that he has buried his ego and come for her; then why can't she bury her ego and go back with him? Why indeed?

His not getting still that the issue is not about love but trust is sure indication that this MU is not getting solved soon. When Jalal raged at her also he said he loved her! Jodha also told him in her letter she started loving him. What is more BOTH do believe now that the other loves. Why then can't they sit and talk about trust, try to sort this out!

Why is Jodha getting angrier instead of allowing herself to be wooed and healed? She is so hurt in love that she has built a protective barrier around herself so that she cannot be hurt again. Mansi calls this the empty shell of ego. Try as he might, Jalal cannot pierce this barrier and reach her heart. Like last year, she herself has to break down this barrier and seek him. How can she do this? Will the magic word "trust" be enough to convince her? Not really. In her shell, words have no meaning. Only actions do. She was never and she will never be one to be swayed by words. If she has to again say "Hum aap se ghrina nahin karte, hum aap par vishwas karte hain aur aap hum par", she needs concrete proof that her husband has indeed changed for the better.
Last year, it was easier for Jalal because they were both in Agra and he could, through his actions, convince her of his trust in her. This year, it's harder. He cannot do much in Amer. She won't come to Agra. What is he going to do? He cannot linger on in Amer when his throne is being attacked from all sides by the very people he had trusted it to. He cannot let the sultanat crumble and his people orphaned because he has to win back his love. Today or tomorrow, he has to return.

What about Jodha? She is in no frame of mind to return with him and give him another chance. Some say she should be given time just like Jalal took his time to get over the dhakka. Just because he made a mistake by holding onto his grudge, should Jodha repeat that mistake? And truly speaking, they were hardly in love at that time. It was more a case of physical attraction. Some say she had to drink poison to convince him of her loyalty and love. So does that mean she has to push him to death to believe in his trust and love? Is this what love is at the end of the day? A tit-for-tat taraazu in which both must continually balance their grudges, their mistakes, their mutual hurt?

Jodha has a case for seeking respect for her identity and trust from her husband. I strongly support her cause and her desire to fight for it. But she has to be clear about what she is fighting. She is not fighting Jalal but his lapses of judgement, his misplaced trust in the wrong people, his egoistic mood swings. She has to differentiate the man from his actions. She has to condemn his actions and force him to change them. But she should not condemn the man himself for those actions when he is ready to change. And ready to change Jalal is at the moment because he is so scared of losing her. Herein lies the crux. Jodha is not able to see that this is perhaps her best chance ever to change her husband because she is so caught up in her own perception of reality.

How can Jodha risk everything again when now she knows her love is making her more vulnerable? If earlier when she hated him also she is in this stage? Won't her love make her even weaker? Did he not tell her when he said sorry that he knows she loves him? So he already knows she is now vulnerable to him, that is why he thinks since she loves me now, it is only her ego that is not letting her admit it. It is her ego that is stopping her from accepting his apology!

He is hurting badly cos he has no clue why she is not accepting his sincere apology! He loves her and he knows she loves him, what more he has to show her? He searched for her he said sorry. He does not know how to solve this now!

Why can't Jodha tell him she does not need his apology, she has forgiven him and she is also sorry for hurting him. He also needs for her to say this. For Jodha never wanted to cause him pain. Why can't she tell him I only need for you to say you will trust me.
He is not giving her the only thing important to her and since he does not know what is important to her how can he give that? Why can't he think how much trust is important to her? He is sad for wiping the smile off her face, I wish he would ask her once what is it that he can do to make it better?

Some may well ask what proof is there that he will change? That he has said all this and more earlier too and then either forgotten his words himself or been brainwashed by others. Does love need proof? Friendship may need proof, marriage may need proof, but love? Love is implicit faith at the soul level. You just believe in your beloved because he/she is your beloved and you know that you can believe in him/her. Period. You don't need proof. You don't ask questions. You expect nothing in return. You just love and you go on giving chance after chance to your beloved because you cannot envisage any future without them.

But Radhika this is EXACTLY WHAT JALAL DID NOT DO! He said he trusted her, waited for her to come to him. His fear was might lose her if I show my doubt, he wanted her love but he ended up hurting the worst way cos he believed the worst of her. Jodha did not know he knew but let us not even get into that again!

I don't even want him to say sorry - he has said it enough. All Jodha needs is for him to say he was wrong to think and say those hurtful things to her. He will not doubt her and will stand by her.


I am not saying these words only for Jodha but Jalal too. If they have to end the stalemate and move ahead, they have to simply love the other and do nothing else. They simply need to know in their own heart that they can believe the other because they love that person. No questions asked, no long discussions, no proof sought. No seeking or expecting forgiveness. No seeking or expecting love/faith/trust in return. Jodha must lead herself to believe that she can go back to Jalal and she will have nothing to fear again. Jalal must believe that he doesn't need to "break her guroor", that she will return to him one day, never to leave again.

Jodha might be made to go back by her parents or by her love. Will she go back now fully trusting he will never do this to her again? Jalal might not cos he almost lost her twice, but will he stand by her? Will he stop MA & Ruk from insulting her? Will he trust her AS MUCH AS he seems to trust MA and Ruk?

MA truth come out has to be now. Jalal will need this backstabbing to open his eyes, he thinks she can never do wrong, when he sees MA HAD NO LOYALTY towards him he will realize how misplaced his own trust was.

Jodha who showed fierce loyalty to him even when she hated him - he doubted her but not MA.
Jalal is going to learn a tough lesson. Will that make him see Jodha differently?

I don't care about SR at all now.


The way this process of discovering implicit faith in their beloved is shown in the serial is anyone's guess. But our concern should not be how it is portrayed on screen but that they achieve it. And they must have achieved it at some point in time because that is what they are remembered for today.

This then is the story of their journey ahead. A journey of discovering and breaking all barriers within themselves against love and implicit faith. A journey of merging their identities into one. A journey of allowing their souls to become one.

I wish they start the trust and faith journey now, cos without that love is weak. Just like we keep hearing about now MA downfall to start but it never comes, I wonder when the REAL EPIC LOVE WILL START. We all thought it might start at Gangaur 2 in Amer, where it all started. All we seem to be getting is Hatred Part 2 with more pain and hurt for both!

I am fed up with the negativity cos Hatred Part 2 - who wants to watch him romance Ruk or say yes Badi Ammi again! No enthusiasm for the next track based on the precap!


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This post is dedicated to Maddy whose questions keep provoking me to think in different directions. 😊



Radhika super post. You made me think so much. see my replies. 😆
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Hi Radhika...🤗
Gr8 post..👏👏..Am just too caught with work and other multiple things here ...so haven't been active(in my normal sense 😉) on IF since yesterday...Hopefully things will be better in a couple of days time..Promise to revert back in detail then 😳😳
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