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230 and the mirror ..some thing very very close to my heart.. one of my most fav .. I mentioned it some time ago.. how enigmatic this seemingly simple scene was.. that I almost couldn't believe it was coming from a mundane tv drama and writers...its up there along with the intriguing farq padtha hai ones for me... the ones after my zillion watches I got a hold of.. this one not yet..

I honestly had NO clue about what was happening during my first watch..now at a very superficial level it does look, along with erasing her guilt, he is leveling the playing field as perhaps this caring thing is too much for him to take esp vaguely believing at his core that she is putting up all this as a facade,
I see some lovely takes by indi, sabs, aarwen will be back to read..
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EPISODE 230

Metamorphosis...


Titliya ,Sanka Devi, Parmehwari and all, Buaji gave these names to Khushi but if you ponder upon,all of these are associated with transformation ,a metamorphosis process .Butterfly , different crazy layers for survival and Parmeshwari as Parvati ,Devi Maiya with tiger next to it to control the transformation of nature for bringing new colors everyday by opening layers upon layers.All these are bringing changes in Arnav's layered nature and today's epi is showing that.Today's epi is my King's episode whose shrewd and killer attitude along with his varying emotions showed the real meaning of this story to me.Barun is simply maginificent...

"Kuch rishte ajeeb bandhan main bandhe hote hai"...[Some relations have a strange bond] ...Khushi will understand the pull of this later but he is realizing it today. Trust Binding accords need the link of trust but these walls are shaking with Arnav's fall.His trust on Khushi is shaking his feet to move forward.As I mentioned in 228,Shyam's words " "Khushiji, iss golmol ke chakkar ko todiye, aur apne khayalon ko alag ki jiye aur phir sochiye"? are applying on him and this whole episode showing his confused, conflicted, and quizzical side at each step in between his heart and mind..He knows for sure Khushi's concerns and cares were so genuine but he is getting entangled in his own web of painted pictures of her which is making him flummoxed and ambiguous ever than before.He has patches of bandage which can't cover his whole wound.Khushi took care of his office matters regarding with "Sethis"...,his throat ,and covered him from Nani and Anjali.This much info he is processing when his heart shows him her innocent and caring side that she can't even think to commit anything against his sister but his mind directs him otherwise because he has seen Khushi and Shyam together after Heer Ranjha which triggered his heart to pin her down.That toned down by her silence and absence and his heart calmed down with her glimpse after two days.Now he knows her concerns but he is equating em with her "swami avatar" but his heart beats for her true and genuine care..Excellent nuances and acting of Barun made me spell bounded and helped me decoding his war within a lot in this epi.

Very true Di Aranv is fighting a war with his conscience and heart for a very long time. He painted a different picture of Khushi because he jumped to conclusion and fate too wasn't with him when he witnessed the betrayal in love seeing Shyam and Khushi together. If at that time he compared that one scene with the moments which depicts Khushi's pure heart, innocence and concern and her transformations from titalya to permeshvari, he would have been proved wrong. And now he is fighting with himself who is constantly bugging his kind to think about Khushi for once. He wants Khushi to be away from him, his life and heart, it's already hard for him and her tender care is making more difficult because for the first time he can't stop someone penetrating trough his hard core walls of heart so quitely. Things are slipping out of his control and he feel loosing. At a very young age he learned a lesson of never loose in life as it's a sign of weakness and still he is following it but dil key mamley alag hotey hai. He is confuse because of misunderstanding and tangled brutally in his webs of misconceptions. He just doesn't understand that har cheez haar jeet key lye nahin hoti and some times one should loose to taste it but Arnav is in fear that if he will loose there would be no one around him to support him to try again. He is living a life in a crowd.


1-Triquetra ,which always remains in between Arnav-Khushi and Anjali because three of these are bonded together tightly and Anjali is the epicenter who always keeps this accord together in all weathers.

2-But there is another temporary Triquetra Arnav-Khushi-Shyam [outsider] because here Khushi is the epicenter but according to Arnav's brain he is the center because he is fighting with two of them Khushi and Shyam because they want to ruin his Di's life together.Arnav is tackling Shyam in his way till Shaym's next move but his judgments against Khushi are proving wrong.All of his shrewdness is making him damn confused and putting his intelligent aside in understanding Khushi's innocence .

~"The greatest conflicts are not between two people but between one person and himself."~ Garth Brooks👏

Anjali is the one who binds their accord as always and today she tells him how Khushi took care of him all night and the moment Anjali mentioned - "Humain khushi hai ke tumne apne liye eik aisa jeevan saathi chuna hai jiske liye tumhari sehat aur tumhara khayal rakhna sabse ziada zaroori hai", Arnav couldn't match his eyes with Anjali's.A lot of emotions like bewilderment, confusion, confliction, anger and slyness were lingering in these seconds on his face over Khushi's acts .He was amazed to know that his Di has not only accepted Khushi but also approved too.But He knows the girl ,his Di loves is after her husband.He also has seen Khushi and Shyaam's encounter twice, he is aware of her taking care of his family and Anjali, now he knows she has taken care of him and he also has experienced that Khushi knows deeply the meaning of his silence and managed to convey the message he wanted to. All these factors are enough to challenge his intelligence as Khushi said"baazi tou palat gayei kyuonkeh fadak tou aapko pdta hai, pyar,mohabbat,ishq se..." and now he has to change the game plan to come out of this confused circle and keep her on her toes to justify his actions.

Khushi every move, single gesture, tear, smile, sadness and hurt and most importantly her eyes which are the gate away to her heart openly challenged his notions for Khushi. Khushi is a woman with unique heart and hard to decipher mind. She is the first one on whom Arnav is failing to rule. He need to device another plan but his attempt will go futile.

1st Triquetra Arnav -Anjali-Khushi is getting over shadowed by 2nd Triquetra Arnav-Khushi- Shyam here. I am going to join couple of scenes here to get the bottom of this.Anjali's words," humare Chote apno ki pareshani ko door karne keh liye jhoot bhi bol sakte hain." [our Chote can lie for the ppl he cares for] ... are showing her sister's concerns to him without knowing the reality of Arnav's relation with Khushi or his own equation with Khushi from which he is very much unaware of too.His interaction with his Di is totally different than his Khushi.Anjali is his sister and Khushi is the one who is after his Di's marriage.He can't forget the Shyam and Khushi's created image in his mind"Chup gaya hai..."[It has been printed] ...But still he can't hide showing his Right , Command, Dominance, and Control over Khushi.

Pondering connected Dots: Payesh Mehndi when he comes late and became ecstatic seeing Khushi worried for him and turns the table to relieve her from that worrisome avatar"Tou tumhain kya fadak padta hai."[Why does it matter to you]..and her abruptly confessing her concerns makes the luckiest man of this planet.."Fadak padta hai..."[It matters.]...But he answers his Di in a totally different way by keeping his hawking eyes at his prey "waise acha hua main gaya, pata toh chala mujhe kitna miss kiya jata hai"[It's good to know how much I've been missed by going away]...His approach towards different people and situation is totally different.


We can see this in future too when his anger remembering Shyam's words and Anjali's stubbornness to bring him back makes him to break vase but when Khushi comes he calms down just by her presence.Even connect this with his interaction as a child to his mother by breaking the Rose plant and all.He reacts according to his situation with different emotions and with his pure heart.Right now Khushi is not standing at that purity pledge for him and he will react differently and that exactly happened but Anjali is the foundation of their relation and today again her advice is making him not only confused and but also conflicted with his unaccepted emotions which only can see her purity from all sides.

When Khushi came with the tea, Arnav remembered Anjali's praised words ""Humain khushi hai ke tumne apne liye eik aisa jeevan saathi chuna hai jiske liye tumhari sehat aur tumhara khayal rakhna sabse ziada zaroori hai" [I am happy you have selected the perfect partner for yourself for whom your health and care is the upmost duty]...He hated to see his Di approval for this gal who asked her hubby to leave her.His emotions change right away and I loved seeing him gulping , folding the paper like he is folding his vulnerability in his shrewdness by gulping his slightest guilt.He has to keep playing with these two ppl who are after his Di.But he is making Khushi confused more than ever ,YES he wants to keep her sparring with him forever so she has a chance to make mistake "kitte dinno se janti ho mujhe"[since how long you've known me]... and he can take over this whole situation and honestly I felt for this poor soul here who is sinking in this shallow sand without any straw to hold on to.

His new plan is in action. He want Khushi to relive the anguish hate which will holds her forward steps to him and he is ready to play an act again to fool Khushi and his heart more.

Symbolism and connection:Here comes his slip, his fall this morning right after waking up... He knew and observed her care and concern for him but he dejected himself from that and kept her at the same spot that she is a betrayal and actor and that's all.I absolutely don't blame him.He is 200% right in his way of thinking.

He can't be blame. What should be blame are circumstances and situations which were not in their favor. They are trap in a maze and their egos and misunderstandings aren't allowing them to trust each other and accept help. Together they got trap and they could only come out of it if they accept each other and become one. But journey to trust and acceptance is a hard way where past is present on every turn to led down the wining spirits.

He wants Khushi to believe that he won this round because he was tired of her overdose of her LOVE. This is just the beginning. The love and care was genuine and true. Soon he will get the real overdose of love from very side that will block his every escape route and with medicines he will needing an injection too. Khushi is getting used to be treated rudely by Arnav and his new plan won't loose her spirits. Instead It acts as a catalyst in raising her high intentions to feed him love all day along.

He knows Khushi's concern was real but the epicenter of his anger is Anjali who is unaware of Khushi's the fact that Anjali is unaware of Khushi astute nature. Barun's expressions and my Psychology boring classes paid off here to understand the real meaning of his actions . Love Love Love Barun today and that's why I said it was his epi.

PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:Arnav's statement to Khushi -"Pehele yeh bataao, poori raat pareshaan hokar kaisa lagta hai? Kaisa laga bina galti kiye guilty feel karna", .[How does it feel to be at guilt without doing anything wrong ? ...how do you feel staying up all night being worried...haan] ...I love this dialogue of Arnav because this is what he was trying since yesterday, to make her feel that her actions always hurt him . He wanted her to realize how her actions since guest house incident were making him restless and at the top she never gave him a chance to justify himself.The resignation day Khushi's words "aap haarte bahut bure hain Mr. Raizada, kyunki haarne ke baad bhi aap yeh nehin manenge ki galti aapki thi". But did she ever let him explain.👏

Then Teej and the store room, all these places he tried to clear his side but she didn't let him.He has spent many nights up with guilt .Even the night his heart first time got his beat , or the night when she was being tortured being engaged with Shyam.But the most torturous on , their wedding night when she was in shattered state by the pool without guilt and he was on the recliner with the guilt.

Superb link and connection of one scene to other.👏 👏 👏

I love Khushi who is more determined to continue "Swami, pyar , ishq,mohabbat " act. I don't blame this girl who was ready to be hungry and punish herself for her actions but ends up having biscuit talk with Lakhmiji .How can any one blame her for her irritations over this confused and conflicted nature guy.At least not me...

Now when Anjali took him to her room and explained him to meet the eye of his real action vs shrewd action.She took him to the ride which always makes him emotional.She reminded him how he lied to her for making her feel better and my grabber is his worry over Anjali's words " iss liye keh hum jante hain tum Khushiji ko iss tarah se" where he stopped her right in the middle with the fear that she might know about their marriage. Barun's expressions throughout that scene are mind blowing, simply fantabulous.

.Pondering connected dots:This scene took me straight to the night when Anjali met with an accident .He was totally shattered and devastated but that day Anjali's advice made him come out from his flirty shrewdness to embrace the courage to just follow the rhythm of his heart,towards his LOVE ""Hum jisse sabse ziada pyaar karte hain usey kabhi door jaane nahin dena chahiye, kisi bhi halaat main".[ We never let that person go away in any situation ,the one we love the most.] and that...

Today, the same way Anjali helps him to meet his own eye in front of the mirror"Isse pata chalta hai tumhein Khushiji ka kitna khayal hai aur kitna, yeh toh shayad tum bhi nahin jaante chote", Arnav couldn't meet his eyes in the mirror because he knows, he has hurt and crushed Khushi's innocent heart one more time. He knows her concerns for him are genuine and real and her eyes never lie to him , NEVER... Anjali one more time showed him the way towards her, towards his own heart to meet this confusion and confliction within and again one name slips through his concerned voice "Khushi" without whom he can't live.

Pause here: Loved the mirror use and reflections here. Especially the one where Arnav turns back to the mirror and remembers the FBs of Khushi's concern and how he buried her concerns in her fake acting to shatter her pure soul. Love when he lowers his eyes for being so ashamed of his actions. Now he will use "Shyam's words to dissect each situation to dilute his confusion and to solve his confliction and that will help him later when he will be away from Khushi in abducted hands. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

Symbolism and connection: The glass is broken on Arnav' side which refers broken accords in his life since from his past and that is so beautifully shown here.His past is full of it but he is trying hard to keep his Di's life intact but his own is still shattered as his own shadow is at the top of broken glass [Sohara this is for you],but Anjali's words"nahin jane daina chahiye" is going to mend his over time and he will never let her go no matter what.

Other side on a light note, Mamiji is slowly slowly accepting her son's happiness and giving them space while these two are coming closer physically every time but how much by heart ,that is a different story.


Loved the kitchen scene for two reasons,

1-Anjali and Payal were both worried for their siblings and Anjali witnessed Khushi's genuine concern which remains always there even when she resents her later .

2-If Khushi was in the middle of these pillars and is the pillar herself keeping these two safe , standing at their positions , married and happy and all


MOMENT OF THE DAY

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtp4s5_arnav-khushi-love-scene-276-arnav-lies_shortfilms

Faiqa Di I have no words to describe your splendid write up. It's stupendous.
I LOVE IT. The most favorite part is the mirror scene and your symbolism and connections added more charms in it. It was scenes of mere second but it hold immense potential. Just a reflection on a broken picture, a piece of past spoke the whole tale of broken and shattered life of Arnav.
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Episode 230:

That Mirror reflection conveyed a lot of things left unsaid since their marriage. The way Anjali was impressed and touched by Khushi's concern for him, stirred his impasse, to be or not to be, is the care this girl outpours is for real or is it a facade. Ofcourse his mind judges it to be the latter and his heart negates albeit loosing lately..

So when she brought the tea by the pool side, at his conscious level he is giving her freedom from this facade she had to put up for his family's sake...at his subconscious level he is giving freedom from her guilt. By saying all he has done is a nautanki he thought he gave her a vent to come out of this pretense.. a lie he had told to extract her own truth. If Anjali had n't arrived he perhaps was even expecting her to get back at him saying she was also putting up a faade.. as these two wouldn't admit to farq padtha hai yet.

But at subconscious level he did what he did to set her free of her guilt.. he perhaps knows it or may be not.. just like the reason of his conscious mind for marrying her being to save his sister's marriage but yet subconscious level it was always how HE can't live without this girl and had to find means to tie her to him.

When Anjali showed him the mirror, his own reflection, I perceived it as an almost defeated look on his face.. that try as hard he might .. he can't see this girl in hurt.. guilt! The last time he saw his own reflection in the mirror was when he confessed to himself... recognized his heart to beat for "Khushi".. a realization dawning on him that all this what he feels for this girl is "love". Here he is again infront of the mirror after all these days.. he saw something he wanted to obliterate and mute... that he still loves her!!

It is said, mirrors won't lie..as they reflect one's heart and soul.. people may.. conscious minds may.

Struggle between his conscious and subconscious minds is always at the core of ASR and this love story. Anjali's enforced showing him of his own the reflection only showcased it and brought his struggle again into fore.. perhaps some thing needed .. so that when he goes missing in a few days he can dwell more on it to attain his ultimate realization.

That classic, brutal farq padtha hai came during the golden period like from a world cup winning team at the top of its gear.. winning match after match. This sequence caught me rather off guard.. coming at a time when things are in seeming disarray. It almost felt if the writers wanted to re instill that faith in their viewers that they can still deliver at the highest order and he is still that enigmatic man!

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I made the above post before I loose my train of thoughts. Now heading to read Sabs and Indi that I have been waiting since 3:00 am last night., Will edit this after I read..
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Ok, I am with Sabs on this. He indeed played that trick to give it back to her..discredit her.. or even getting himself unencumbered of the fact that he NEEDED her to take care of him. He didn't even want to give her that faintest comfort that she can comfort him at some level.. But at subconscious its a diff ball game.
But I agree with Indi's point that this may not be that NO nonsense ASR we loved to no ends, and there is even NO need for all that drama. But may be writers wanted to show that he is learning to put up a drama, like her, or rather that's what he wants to convey to her that if you play dramatics I can do the same.. esp becos he said "chalak nahi shatir dimaag".. if you are smart with your drama I am smarter he seemed to say.
Some how I did love that scene, then and now. After all the ridiculous theatrics, may be just my desperate self ..longing for a scene with semblance of a layer. and we got it.
One of my major attractions for ASR were his initial monologues and retrospections..how this man can't get this girl out of his system yet tries hard for it at many levels.. initially it was his own inner tussle.. now as he perceives it a tussle with the reality that she doesn't love him. And I desperately missed that inner reflecting ASR.. the man torn between head and heart.. sahi and galath.. post marriage. When he looked into the mirror or his heart I got a glimpse of that ASR at least for a few seconds!
Btw Sabs, loved your post everything you said about ASR and Gul.
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Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha

EPISODE 230

Metamorphosis...


Nice shot Faiqa

Titliya ,Sanka Devi, Parmehwari and all, Buaji gave these names to Khushi but if you ponder upon,all of these are associated with transformation ,a metamorphosis process .Butterfly , different crazy layers for survival and Parmeshwari as Parvati ,Devi Maiya with tiger next to it to control the transformation of nature for bringing new colors everyday by opening layers upon layers.All these are bringing changes in Arnav's layered nature and today's epi is showing that.Today's epi is my King's episode whose shrewd and killer attitude along with his varying emotions showed the real meaning of this story to me.Barun is simply maginificent...

"Kuch rishte ajeeb bandhan main bandhe hote hai"...[Some relations have a strange bond] ...Khushi will understand the pull of this later but he is realizing it today. Trust Binding accords need the link of trust but these walls are shaking with Arnav's fall.His trust on Khushi is shaking his feet to move forward.As I mentioned in 228,Shyam's words " "Khushiji, iss golmol ke chakkar ko todiye, aur apne khayalon ko alag ki jiye aur phir sochiye"? are applying on him and this whole episode showing his confused, conflicted, and quizzical side at each step in between his heart and mind..He knows for sure Khushi's concerns and cares were so genuine but he is getting entangled in his own web of painted pictures of her which is making him flummoxed and ambiguous ever than before.He has patches of bandage which can't cover his whole wound.Khushi took care of his office matters regarding with "Sethis"...,his throat ,and covered him from Nani and Anjali.This much info he is processing when his heart shows him her innocent and caring side that she can't even think to commit anything against his sister but his mind directs him otherwise because he has seen Khushi and Shyam together after Heer Ranjha which triggered his heart to pin her down.That toned down by her silence and absence and his heart calmed down with her glimpse after two days.Now he knows her concerns but he is equating em with her "swami avatar" but his heart beats for her true and genuine care..Excellent nuances and acting of Barun made me spell bounded and helped me decoding his war within a lot in this epi.

1-Triquetra ,which always remains in between Arnav-Khushi and Anjali because three of these are bonded together tightly and Anjali is the epicenter who always keeps this accord together in all weathers.

2-But there is another temporary Triquetra Arnav-Khushi-Shyam [outsider] because here Khushi is the epicenter but according to Arnav's brain he is the center because he is fighting with two of them Khushi and Shyam because they want to ruin his Di's life together.Arnav is tackling Shyam in his way till Shaym's next move but his judgments against Khushi are proving wrong.All of his shrewdness is making him damn confused and putting his intelligent aside in understanding Khushi's innocence .


~"The greatest conflicts are not between two people but between one person and himself."~ Garth Brooks

👏 Very very nice quote. Mind if I use it sometime?

Anjali is the one who binds their accord as always and today she tells him how Khushi took care of him all night and the moment Anjali mentioned - "Humain khushi hai ke tumne apne liye eik aisa jeevan saathi chuna hai jiske liye tumhari sehat aur tumhara khayal rakhna sabse ziada zaroori hai", Arnav couldn't match his eyes with Anjali's.A lot of emotions like bewilderment, confusion, confliction, anger and slyness were lingering in these seconds on his face over Khushi's acts .He was amazed to know that his Di has not only accepted Khushi but also approved too.But He knows the girl ,his Di loves is after her husband.He also has seen Khushi and Shyaam's encounter twice, he is aware of her taking care of his family and Anjali, now he knows she has taken care of him and he also has experienced that Khushi knows deeply the meaning of his silence and managed to convey the message he wanted to. All these factors are enough to challenge his intelligence as Khushi said"baazi tou palat gayei kyuonkeh fadak tou aapko pdta hai, pyar,mohabbat,ishq se..." and now he has to change the game plan to come out of this confused circle and keep her on her toes to justify his actions.


1st Triquetra Arnav -Anjali-Khushi is getting over shadowed by 2nd Triquetra Arnav-Khushi- Shyam here. I am going to join couple of scenes here to get the bottom of this.Anjali's words," humare Chote apno ki pareshani ko door karne keh liye jhoot bhi bol sakte hain." [our Chote can lie for the ppl he cares for] ... are showing her sister's concerns to him without knowing the reality of Arnav's relation with Khushi or his own equation with Khushi from which he is very much unaware of too.His interaction with his Di is totally different than his Khushi.Anjali is his sister and Khushi is the one who is after his Di's marriage.He can't forget the Shyam and Khushi's created image in his mind"Chup gaya hai..."[It has been printed] ...But still he can't hide showing his Right , Command, Dominance, and Control over Khushi.

Pondering connected Dots: Payesh Mehndi when he comes late and became ecstatic seeing Khushi worried for him and turns the table to relieve her from that worrisome avatar"Tou tumhain kya fadak padta hai."[Why does it matter to you]..and her abruptly confessing her concerns makes the luckiest man of this planet.."Fadak padta hai..."[It matters.]...But he answers his Di in a totally different way by keeping his hawking eyes at his prey "waise acha hua main gaya, pata toh chala mujhe kitna miss kiya jata hai"[It's good to know how much I've been missed by going away]...His approach towards different people and situation is totally different. I agree Faiqa. He handles each person differently. Later when Anjali is sad he will take care of her seriously while also trying his best to make Khushi happy and mend all the hurt. he could eb brother , lover, grandson, tycoon whatever was needed at the moment.


We can see this in future too when his anger remembering Shyam's words and Anjali's stubbornness to bring him back makes him to break vase but when Khushi comes he calms down just by her presence.Even connect this with his interaction as a child to his mother by breaking the Rose plant and all.He reacts according to his situation with different emotions and with his pure heart.Right now Khushi is not standing at that purity pledge for him and he will react differently and that exactly happened but Anjali is the foundation of their relation and today again her advice is making him not only confused and but also conflicted with his unaccepted emotions which only can see her purity from all sides. Interesting reference. I like waht you say about Khushi bringing calm in his life.

When Khushi came with the tea, Arnav remembered Anjali's praised words ""Humain khushi hai ke tumne apne liye eik aisa jeevan saathi chuna hai jiske liye tumhari sehat aur tumhara khayal rakhna sabse ziada zaroori hai" [I am happy you have selected the perfect partner for yourself for whom your health and care is the upmost duty]...He hated to see his Di approval for this gal who asked her hubby to leave her.His emotions change right away and I loved seeing him gulping , folding the paper like he is folding his vulnerability in his shrewdness by gulping his slightest guilt.He has to keep playing with these two ppl who are after his Di.But he is making Khushi confused more than ever ,YES he wants to keep her sparring with him forever so she has a chance to make mistake "kitte dinno se janti ho mujhe"[since how long you've known me]... and he can take over this whole situation and honestly I felt for this poor soul here who is sinking in this shallow sand without any straw to hold on to. Amazing right how everyone is interptreting this in slightly different tones. I say credit to the maker and the actor for giving so many shades to these scenes that we are left contemplating and guessing. Maybe there is no one right answer. Maybe Arnav felt a bit of everything and Barun somehow managed to convey that bit of everything.

Symbolism and connection:Here comes his slip, his fall this morning right after waking up... He knew and observed her care and concern for him but he dejected himself from that and kept her at the same spot that she is a betrayal and actor and that's all.I absolutely don't blame him.He is 200% right in his way of thinking.

He wants Khushi to believe that he won this round because he was tired of her overdose of her LOVE. He knows Khushi's concern was real but the epicenter of his anger is Anjali who is unaware of Khushi's the fact that Anjali is unaware of Khushi astute nature. Barun's expressions and my Psychology boring classes paid off here to understand the real meaning of his actions . Love Love Love Barun today and that's why I said it was his epi.

PONDERING CONNECTED DOTS:Arnav's statement to Khushi -"Pehele yeh bataao, poori raat pareshaan hokar kaisa lagta hai? Kaisa laga bina galti kiye guilty feel karna", .[How does it feel to be at guilt without doing anything wrong ? ...how do you feel staying up all night being worried...haan] ...I love this dialogue of Arnav because this is what he was trying since yesterday, to make her feel that her actions always hurt him . He wanted her to realize how her actions since guest house incident were making him restless and at the top she never gave him a chance to justify himself.The resignation day Khushi's words "aap haarte bahut bure hain Mr. Raizada, kyunki haarne ke baad bhi aap yeh nehin manenge ki galti aapki thi". But did she ever let him explain. Above and below I love this reference to the past. I was recently rewatching the resingnation onwards episodes and all this is so fresh in my mind. How guilt ate him up in those episodes. And how Khushi did not give him a chance to explain.

Then Teej and the store room, all these places he tried to clear his side but she didn't let him.He has spent many nights up with guilt .Even the night his heart first time got his beat , or the night when she was being tortured being engaged with Shyam.But the most torturous on , their wedding night when she was in shattered state by the pool without guilt and he was on the recliner with the guilt.

I love Khushi who is more determined to continue "Swami, pyar , ishq,mohabbat " act. I don't blame this girl who was ready to be hungry and punish herself for her actions but ends up having biscuit talk with Lakhmiji .How can any one blame her for her irritations over this confused and conflicted nature guy.At least not me... Horizon also mentioned this in her comments and it really would be confusing to Khushi. Specially since she doesn't know why he is angry with her in the first place. She did think about Shyam being the cause for a brief day but that thought is long suppressed and this sometimes rakshas sometimes rajkumar can be so confusing to deal with.

Now when Anjali took him to her room and explained him to meet the eye of his real action vs shrewd action.She took him to the ride which always makes him emotional.She reminded him how he lied to her for making her feel better and my grabber is his worry over Anjali's words " iss liye keh hum jante hain tum Khushiji ko iss tarah se" where he stopped her right in the middle with the fear that she might know about their marriage. Barun's expressions throughout that scene are mind blowing, simply fantabulous.

.Pondering connected dots:This scene took me straight to the night when Anjali met with an accident .He was totally shattered and devastated but that day Anjali's advice made him come out from his flirty shrewdness to embrace the courage to just follow the rhythm of his heart,towards his LOVE ""Hum jisse sabse ziada pyaar karte hain usey kabhi door jaane nahin dena chahiye, kisi bhi halaat main".[ We never let that person go away in any situation ,the one we love the most.] and that...

Today, the same way Anjali helps him to meet his own eye in front of the mirror"Isse pata chalta hai tumhein Khushiji ka kitna khayal hai aur kitna, yeh toh shayad tum bhi nahin jaante chote", Arnav couldn't meet his eyes in the mirror because he knows, he has hurt and crushed Khushi's innocent heart one more time. He knows her concerns for him are genuine and real and her eyes never lie to him , NEVER... Anjali one more time showed him the way towards her, towards his own heart to meet this confusion and confliction within and again one name slips through his concerned voice "Khushi" without whom he can't live.

Pause here: Loved the mirror use and reflections here. Especially the one where Arnav turns back to the mirror and remembers the FBs of Khushi's concern and how he buried her concerns in her fake acting to shatter her pure soul. Love when he lowers his eyes for being so ashamed of his actions. Now he will use "Shyam's words to dissect each situation to dilute his confusion and to solve his confliction and that will help him later when he will be away from Khushi in abducted hands. Love that you caught this moment

Symbolism and connection: The glass is broken on Arnav' side which refers broken accords in his life since from his past and that is so beautifully shown here.His past is full of it but he is trying hard to keep his Di's life intact but his own is still shattered as his own shadow is at the top of broken glass [Sohara this is for you],but Anjali's words"nahin jane daina chahiye" is going to mend his over time and he will never let her go no matter what. Thank you for the explanation Faiqa

Other side on a light note, Mamiji is slowly slowly accepting her son's happiness and giving them space while these two are coming closer physically every time but how much by heart ,that is a different story.


Loved the kitchen scene for two reasons,

1-Anjali and Payal were both worried for their siblings and Anjali witnessed Khushi's genuine concern which remains always there even when she resents her later .

2-If Khushi was in the middle of these pillars and is the pillar herself keeping these two safe , standing at their positions , married and happy and all


MOMENT OF THE DAY

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtp4s5_arnav-khushi-love-scene-276-arnav-lies_shortfilms


Faiqa very nice analysis. I liked so many parts of it. And loved how you were able to explain each small action of Arnav. We are so happy you sat through the boring psychology classes 😊. Thanks a lot for all the connections to the past/future you brought out. Was very interesting. The quotation I highlighted is brilliant. Do read all that I have to say above as well .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Horizon

I made the above post before I loose my train of thoughts. Now heading to read Sabs and Indi that I have been waiting since 3:00 am last night., Will edit this after I read..

EDIT:
Ok, I am with Sabs on this. He indeed played that trick to give it back to her..discredit her.. or even getting himself unencumbered of the fact that he NEEDED her to take care of him. He didn't even want to give her that faintest comfort that she can comfort him at some level.. But at subconscious its a diff ball game.
But I agree with Indi's point that this may not be that NO nonsense ASR we loved to no ends, and there is even NO need for all that drama. But may be writers wanted to show that he is learning to put up a drama, like her, or rather that's what he wants to convey to her that if you play dramatics I can do the same.. esp becos he said "chalak nahi shatir dimaag".. if you are smart with your drama I am smarter he seemed to say.
Some how I did love that scene, then and now. After all the ridiculous theatrics, may be just my desperate self ..longing for a scene with semblance of a layer. and we got it.
One of my major attractions for ASR were his initial monologues and retrospections..how this man can't get this girl out of his system yet tries hard for it at many levels.. initially it was his own inner tussle.. now as he perceives it a tussle with the reality that she doesn't love him. And I desperately missed that inner reflecting ASR.. the man torn between head and heart.. sahi and galath.. post marriage. When he looked into the mirror or his heart I got a glimpse of that ASR at least for a few seconds!
Btw Sabs, loved your post everything you said about ASR and Gul.



indu,

i so miss that asr... smart, sharp, concentrated, a man who ponders things but only in his mind, i so miss him. issues of right and wrong, how he wants to live, and the strange doubts about and thoughts of a woman... the broken voice in "yeh mujhe kya ho raha hai?" the inner, completely guileless voice of asr, in the rain, after hurting her, after meeting her and being terribly struck...

why did he stop that, i wonder. is it because everything shut down inside him when he saw her in shyam's arms?

in gh will return "kis mitti ki bani hai..." and then at the airport, why is it hurting me so much to leave khushi...

i loved kidnap, despite its ultimate meaninglessness. there was an intensity. and asr khushi to that time. and i am not too good with too much ott... so it was a relief and a return to things i watched ipk for.

i can quite understand your loving this scene. i wish i could.

and while sabi is possibly right, because i believe that that love started to assert itself despite his fear that she may not love him, in my head, he did this wanting to free her of guilt. and his sister seeing this, had to let him know that she knew why he lied, so that her bro and sis in law can come out of this strange phase in their relationship. and the same sister who knows when he's lying could not make out he was lying when the kheer incident happened... ah well.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: aarwen




Indi I am confused reading this that why are you confused about his character .

ASR and ARNAV are TWO shapes of UNCONSCIOUSNESS and that's what made this character an ICONIC and that is so so normal when you flip and switch these states as a human like ASR.He acts different at different situations , at different levels , with different ppl and changes in seconds ...here is Shaitan and Rajkumar which Khushi is taking time to get.This character has written so cutely in this FRAME of TWO states of minds and that's why his ASR tone to hey hey tone or Rabba Ve to ASR changes instantly in scenes to convey you those changes.

Cynthia mentioned one in hers that she gets up when John does at the same time regardless how deep in sleep she is.I do with my kids.We all have tendency to do that even we are angry with our loved ones and that is human nature but ASR is not normal but he is transforming..."God Knows kab ayegi"...he is the one who said that I don't want to see u and he is the one who is up all night seeing her.
He is the one who said before mujhe apni shakal mat dikhana and he is the one who was happy unconsciously seeing her with food in his office because he likes everything of her"tum ne baya mujhe acha laga" ...

I read twice this and got entangled with a lot of things because this is an excellent epi from so many angles,may be I saw it totally with different pair of eyes.

Thnx

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Posted: 11 years ago
@Rhea
Faiqa very nice analysis. I liked so many parts of it. And loved how you were able to explain each small action of Arnav. We are so happy you sat through the boring psychology classes 😊. Thanks a lot for all the connections to the past/future you brought out. Was very interesting. The quotation I highlighted is brilliant. Do read all that I have to say above as well .

Thnx for your beautiful comments and YES you can use the Quote ...😊
I wish I had IPK then in 2006 when I was finishing my Psychology classes and I would definitely show the clip of IPK with him instead of showing the clips of "silence of the Lambs" or Daniel Day-Lewis from There Will be Blood ...

I read the most difficult books ever in my life to understand the characters like these "Personality and personal Growth" by Carl Jang.

But those books made possible for me penetrate through words and personalities and shows how far any human can go in each state of their mind dealing with everything in their lives and even when ppl write back to me or say things in two ways track or laugh at certain way, I know the depth of it and state of emotion like anger, frustration, happy, or whatever.

Thnx


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Posted: 11 years ago
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faiqa,

😆

i know, i was hoping that i would be able to let this epi go and be thrilled about all the elaborate showing of love, both conscious and unconscious...

but something struck a funny note.

if you read what i have written later, i actually do not disagree with anything you say about this character... and i understand him as i understand him... we all will have individual takes on him. but something about this execution did not feel right... while lying there irritable, hating her loving her and grumbling "god knows kab aayegi" did.

some things can't be explained.

i love asr in mirror scenes... i adore his many confusions and levels of existence, his conscious acts, his subconscious underpinnings, his unconscious constant need of this woman he loves, who has become so much to him that even when he believes she is downright dangerous for his sister's happiness he can't stop loving her...

yeah, that much he does love her... and his subconscious knows it while his conscious rejects it.

but here some gadbad, the way i perceive things.

sorry, my take had my confusion in it perhaps...

my only real take away from this episode is, it is about "pehchaan", about getting to recognise yourself... both for asr and khushi... since they will keep doing things unconsciously that show love while thinking they hate.

she will stop her mother from giving him sweets even as she plans to torture him. he will switch off that airconditioner because she shivered... things like that. beautiful things.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Sabs , 👏

INDIII ! Smooch smooch slobber slobber... How I love your writing... The depths and valleys ... Everything I need to understand , I get from you... I'm a very superficial thinker.. And I swear I wouldn't get the nuances of this show if it wasn't for you and your team of fabulous writers.
My initial feeling was that ASR didn't want khushi to get credit ( similar to the Kara/ medicine that brought his voice back after the Bali honeymoon) for him getting better. Also he wanted to get back at her for the swami trick she had played. That's why he said " aren't you gonna call me swami?" But didi showed him that his apparent meanness ( towards khushi) had a subconscious backdrop/reasoning. His subconscious will never let khushi feel guilty, same way it didn't let didi feel guilty. He doesn't recognize how his subconscious ( or his heart) rules his brain ... Sigh ... Do you think I even think about any of these in depth when I rewatch these episodes? ... No way... All I think about is that ..THAT mirror image is how Barun Sobti sees himself. Cause what you see in the mirror is how you see yourself ( I mean just the image) ... All others see a different image ( a reverse one) ... Do u get my drift Indiji? I am stuck on the revelation that that's what Barun sees in the morning and I get butterflies at that thought... I'm telling you I've lost it completely! His absence is making things harder for my senile insane brain!

That little girl to me is GUL (with inadequate understanding of children) She experiments with kids of different psychs ... Whether it's this weird kid (with Freudian pencil chewing sexual theories) or Arav ( the strange lil man) ...Cause she actually doesn't know pregnancy & kids and the whole nine yards. That's why Anjali's pregnancy was so bizarre ( no showing, eternal length etc etc) ... Gul is a genius ... but she is beaten by life's experience ... She followed the marketing theory that people will buy anything if there is a kid or a dog ( a pet ) in it. Laxmi worked but the kids didnt...

Gotta run but will be back to read more of my fav writer , Indrani robbins!





Sabrina and indi and ALL blasters who are calling my Psychology classes BORING including me 😆 sorry to Barge in ...but can't resist , ur fault when u guys bring these kind of things on the table...well too bad ...now read and you better do...😆 because you have to share my boring classes 😆

OK Sabs...You have started a chain reaction and I so wanted to come to ur post since yesterday,

Here we go as I read the most difficult and thick headed books in my life but these ones were out of the world and at the top we met those people who have these issues in their charcaters.

"Personality and Personal Growth" by Carl Jang ...he is the most complicated Psychologist and writer.His version of two kinds of unconsciousness is the one fascinates me and that is our ASR.

1-Personal unconscious

This comes and becomes a part of it from a person's painful and repressed past and those parts become so so part of his skin that he can't come out of it normally.
This is where he stands and his Past dreams of night when his mom did commit suicide and all and Khushi told him you will never forget it as this is part of you , just embrace it and feels them around you but how can he do it alone...the cure lies in divine and unconditional LOVE and Khushi is standing there.In real life is the same , no one can come out of these things easily and sometimes never.


2-Collective unconscious and Archetype

Where any person or human being builds memories and experiences and actions within his unconscious like Ego and persona where he comes to these phases quickly and that is our ASR and the reason of this creation is hate towards father .Now this is controversial concept but there is another proof which we discussed is from "In his Hero with a Thousand Faces" by Joseph Campbell and he took the example from The story of Oedipus is a good illustration of an archetypal situation that deals with a son's deep love for his mother and conflict with his father.

This is what was shown in this epi and IPK as a character of ASR/Arnav which sabs u did in that BOLD BLUE...and I did in here and in my 230 in a mild way.

Thank you for reading my boring bak bak


Edited by ArshiHamesha - 11 years ago

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