No Sympathy for Pathetic Zain.. - Page 2

Originally posted by: CrazyKSGlover

totally agree with u
I was going to say all this but didnt know how to say it though 😆

Originally posted by: ..DamonCrazy..

I respect your opinion. But I disagree with your points.
Vaise I intend to make a post on Zain anyways. Will elaborate here after that :)

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Zain is immature. We have seen that from the first episode itself. I do not expect him to understand the kind of direction people's thoughts would go if he is seen alone with a girl. In London & Mumbai, people do not start thinking stuff if a guy even hugs a girl. For a guy like Zain, who has grown up around such open minded thinking...well it'd be surprising if he knew what things might be thought up in a small town like Bhopal where he has never been to before. And for that matter...did Aliya ever ask him to back off either? He pranked, she retaliated, he teased her, & she never clearly asked him to maintain distance either did she. Even though she was FROM Bhopal, she couldn't guess the things Zee's mom would accuse her & Zain's proximity of. Zain wasn't selfishly doing what he wanted without caring about Aliya's reputation, because he didn't KNOW that it would do ANYTHING to her reputation. And neither was he told. His Pups allowed him to take Aliya out alone TWICE without giving him an inkling of what distances he should maintain, or what people might think.

I don't agree with this. Zain seemed to know pretty well how he should act. When Aaliya was always trying to gain his attention he kept wondering why this girl was always talking to him and acting slightly flirty when she's about to get married to another man. So that makes it clear that he knew the way she was acting, and the way he was responding by flirting with her, that too publicly on occasion, was not normal for just friends or cousins, he stated this himself. When he realised that Aaliya thought he was her fiance, everything clicked, but he continued to pretend that he was her fiance. On her part she made a mistake believing him to be her fiance, but he made a decision to act like her fiance, forget anything else, it's morally wrong to take advantage of someone's feelings like that. You don't need to be from a village to know that, and I don't believe you need to be from a small village to understand that the majority of people have completely different rules. I mean most of us on this forum now the customs are different, and I'm sure most of us live in cities.

And then the nikaah. Yes, Zain straight out asked Aliya to say no to her father to both of them. But again, did ALIYA ask him to go look for another option either? Did she protest & say it was too much of a responsibility? Without a moment of hesitation, she told him that she would get the nikaah broken by saying no to her dad & promised to do so. She, along with him agreed that it was the ONLY option because no one else, least of all Usman was willing to listen to them. If both of them agreed that Aliya saying no was their only chance, why is only Zain getting blamed fo this incident every time?

I'm not saying that the marriage happening is the fault of just one of them, I'm saying it's the fault of both of them. My point simply was that him blaming her for everything was wrong, as he himself could've said no, but he didn't because he didn't want to hurt her father, so why doesn't the same rule apply to her? She couldn't say no to her father for the same reason, so why is she only to blame? I've said from the start that they should've both said no together in front of both their parents. Just because she agreed to say no doesn't mean she is solely at fault. And I'm sure if Zain had said no to her parents, they would've accepted, the same as if she said no to his parents, but neither did this, so both are equally at fault. And I still believe it was too much for him to ask her to say no, he couldn't say it, so why ask her to do it alone?

As for not accepting his faults, on the contrary, he acknowledged his mistakes & apologised to Aliya even AFTeR he got slapped by his dad after 24 years, for her. His hatred started because she herself assured him & agreed to him to free them of this marriage & then said yes. As for saying no to the marriage, he DID say no to his dad, to his mom & his family. He even tried calmly talking to Usman & giving him the option of looking for another guy for Aliya. Its because Usman was so hellbent on his decision that he went to Aliya in the first place. Aliya's family were his RELATIVES, as close as he may have gotten to him in his few days of stay. How was he supposed to say no to THEM? He did say he didn't want to do the nikaah to his own family, but it didn't work. What else was he supposed to do? Run away from his wedding like Suraiyya suggested?

He only realised his mistakes to an extent, after the slap and when he realised things went too far. But up until that slap he was still protesting his innocence. Both of them told one parent that they don't really want to marry each other, but none of them actually said an outright 'no, I'm not getting married.' They didn't stand their ground, so I think it's silly to just blame the parents, at the end of the day if you don't say manzoor hai/qubool hai, no-one can force those words to come out of your mouth. If he ran away it would cause pain and embarrassment, but his actions now are having the same impact, so maybe he should've run away instead marrying her and then asking for a divorce within a week.

As far as going to Suraiyya is concerned, honestly I didn't like it either. I would have preffered if his actions were his own like refusing to run away from the nikaah in Bhopal. I am hoping that Zain soon stops depending on his mom & takes matters into his own hands. But honestly speaking...its basic human nature, when one is angry or hurt, we like & want the support of people & turn to them without thinking about whether they are right & wrong. He has earlier gone against his mother when he is thinking clearly, but in his extremely emotional state, especially when he feels looked over by his favourite parent over Aliya, he finds comfort in her support, a fact which she uses very well. He hss brains, he's just not using them right now in his resentful & furious state.

I agree with this completely.

As for the outburst...of course it wasn't brave or courageous. It wasn't supposed to be either. Yes he loves & cares for his dad. But he had simply reached his saturation point. He didn't start blasting off stuff in front of the media that day in the orphanage did he? He couldn't hold back his frustration & feelings of neglect anymore. In his whole outburst, the only thing I could hear was how frustrated he was with the fact that Usman had all the care for Aliya & didn't seem to give damn about HIM. As a viewer, I could easily see what could have driven him to think so, hence I could empathise with him. When he gives Usman another option of looking for another guy for Aliya, he refuses because he thinks that Zain is the only person for whom he can give guarantee for ALIYA's happiness. He did not say that he cpuld give guarantee for ZAIN's happiness. We know Usman feels that way but Zain hasn't heard it from him, not in a way which will make him believe that he truly feels so. When Usman thought Zain had locked out Aliya, he simply told him that Aliya was his responsibilty rather than sitting down & talking to him patiently & making him REALISE his responsibility. To an already frustrated Zain, all this can so easily be indications that his Usman is choosing his bhanji over his son, & is disregarding his feelings.

I understand how he probably feels neglected, and how the anger and pain is too much for him to take, but my point was just that if he's standing up for himself now, why didn't he before the Nikaah happened? It seems a bit out of place that he would embarrass his dad like this in front of so many people, when he actually got married simply for his dads sake. It just doesn't fit. I would've preferred it if he had a go at him more privately.

In all of the above, I am not blaming Aliya or Usman, nor do I wish to imply that Aliya deserves the treatment she is gettimg or that she isn't hurting. Everything above is keeping Zain & his POV in mind. I just empathise with both of them & wish with all my heart that the hatred becomes equalised soon rather than this whole one torturer, other tortured scenario. A recent message said that Aliya will give it back to Zain soon so yeah...Fingers crossed :)

Originally posted by: -AkkiLuvsNBT-

Disagree...!!!

Its both Zain and Aaliya at fault and the situations which were not in their favour

Story is gng awesome and i dnt think they have slipped anywhere...And wat i like is less OTT drama ...!!!

Zain's Outburst is fully Justified...Come on its obvious..Even i ll react in that way if i am forced to marry a girl under pressure of Elders...