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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: tvbug2011

@Poona, yet again an absolutely lovely post!

@ArshiHamesha, awesome insight into IPK!
Thanks, both. I'm really enjoying your analysis.
Can't help spotlighting Arnav's comment: "Vaise bhi mein shaadi mein vishwaas hi nahin karta. Sab ka nazariya alag, alag hota hai..." I don't believe in marriage! And note the camera angle here: the focus is on Shyam's face. And Shyam looks up at that remark, as though it's a moment of private epiphany for him - a new realisation, or as though, he'd have liked to say something to Arnav just then, at the very least. Yet he keeps mum.
What brilliant irony: here's Arnav shouting from the rooftops that he doesn't believe in marriage and all these stamps of social acceptance. Yet it is Arnav who will end up conforming to society when he forcibly marries Khushi and brings her into his bedroom.
And there's Shyaam, the much-married upholder of family honour, who's actually subverting society even as he speaks, or listens, for that matter. I can't help thinking at this point, that when Arnav spoke those lines, Shyam must have silently agreed with him.
He was probably thinking, "Saaley saab, you have no idea how much I agree with you. I don't believe in Marriage either. I just have a different way of showing it. After all, to realise your future you have to watch where you step today."

Sabs ... Thanks you!!!
What an Excellent ... Excellent observation ... Completely underplayed ... Well underplayed for me at least ... coz I had completely missed it ... 😛 Not a big surprise coz ... When ever I read other posts, a lot of things are pointed out ... That I wonder How come I missed that ... This is one of those instances too ... I had wondered only about the shot ... ASR's side profile ... With Shyam's unfocused face in the back ground ... And had not followed the hint ...
In red ... How absolutely true ... He is the quintessential Sanskari ... Sabhay In- law that everyone is so dependent on ... The valued mediator ... Respected Councilor of the family ... Playing both sides ... Naniji aap sahi hai and Its okay to Salay Sahib ... when ASR says he is walking out ... Much to his surprise ...
It is interesting that he was shown as somewhat of a foodie ... Finding pleasure in Cooking ... Serving ... Feeding ... A really basic way to show affection ... To pamper ... To win trust ... to find way into the inner circle ... You are so right about him the upholder of family values ... Don't we all know or have some one like this in our own lives ??? Thankfully not the evil Shyam ... But the one everyone gravitates to in a family setting ... But what irony ... What mockery of even the most basic bonds of trust ...

His marriage means nothing to him ... Other than a means to an end ... A life style it affords ... Do you wonder if Khushi had not shown up in his life ... Would any of this have happened ... ASR, Much much later will accuse... Tumharay aanay say pehlay Saab kitna Accha tha ... I think Accha nahin tha ... He was always playing the part ... The upholder of family honor ... the upstanding conscientious citizen ... Really faking his life ... Faking all relationships ... If not Khushi ... He would have found someone else ... Don't you think his brief encounters with Kamalji and that other women had an underlying unsavory feel ... That there was more that was not shown ...

Anyway ... Off the point but really do agree with your observation ... He too is ... Maybe regret is not the right word ... Even though he uses it at one time ... Maybe feels bound ... He is feverishly infatuated with Khushi and wishes he can have her and this fab life style ... Although not much evidence of his lavish life ... Other than maybe his snazzy car ??? Have his cake and eat it too ... And what a contrast to our boy ... Lovely lovely ironic dichotomy ...
Thanks Sabs for bringing it up!!!
Cheers!!!

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Posted: 12 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Arshics

Ipoona,

A gold mine here, with your dazzling description we also get to read Arshihamesha and tybug2011

An amazing package, just the like the days of yore!

Reserving for now

Will be back with my thoughts, but hey!

Dil khush ho gaya


Arshi ... Have missed you not only in your own stupendous posts ... But here too ... Bhool maat Janna humnay ...😛

An amazing package is right !!! 😉

Look forward to your comments

Cheers!!!

Edited by Ipoona - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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ArshiH ... Excellent post as always ...


Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha



EPISODE 48

"Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time'." Thomas Edison

Life lesson for all ...

This is the Quote I have in my class and is lingering at the back of my head today by watching this epi as all the main players are just doing exactly what this quote is screaming with the thunder bolt of Edison's words. 😊

Khushi is in her befuddled state calls Shyam to find out whether she can stay or not in her mind as Buaji tried to chain her thoughts [to apne dil ko manao na'] to try here as this is the best option.She just want one more time A reason to get back her routines in Delhi [as Delhi itni bi buri nahin hai'] as her heart is not letting her go , not giving up BUT her mind is saying YES you have to let it go.

That day her Jiji was insisting to go back Delhi but she wasn't, as her heart... her "Rakshus" was her savior regardless he did not want to see her face and summoned her to dungeon "guest house".Today she is persistant to leave Delhi as her heart her "Rakshus" got her summon to her heart regardless she told him he will not see her face as she is going to the dungeon "Lukhnow" by punishing themselve in this dungeon of "propinquity"

She told him a lie and wanted to make it truth by telling more lies to herself as"humain farak nahin parta"' She is so vulnerable at this state of proximity'.just love her so innocent yet childhish'.😊

"Jiji, pata nahin humnai sahi faisla liya hai keh nahin'. kash kahin sai humain koi aisa ishara milega jo hum sai kahega keh khushi tumne bilkul sahi faisla liya hai."'..Par aisa humsai khabhi koi bolta tou nahin hai''[Jiji I want some sign which can tell me whether I made a right decision or not'But nobody says this to me'..] Who do you want to deliver this sign to you Khiushi '.hmmm'DM or Arnavji'.😳😳

DM' move is brilliant this time as SHE hides herself from Khushi's mind to give her the SIGN as Khushi forgot her putting in her suitcase or must say she forgot considering her "Rakshus" to put upfront as she is leaving him in Delhi in befflement to just give her story a reality check...hmmm...I don't think so...because she can't get away from his SPELL as he saved her as well as her DM...as he is just by name her "Rakshus" but in reality he is her "Savior" now...

Pause here:[Shaitan is her Rajkumar turning into one "eik hi" now]


She is trying to give up all these hovering thoughts...


".As DM's Dupatta fell down as Dupatta is sad because Dupatta is only happy when Arnav is around but ..SIGN'is .As she is holding it with both hands and he was catching DM.It means she will save her Jiji's wedding and Anjali wedding and he will marry her but not with respect as DM's Chunari falls down.

ArshiH ... Brilliant connection ... I had thought that this was merely the sign she was seeking ... Duppata slips ... Indicating DM wants her to stay ... But doesn't the duppata flutter and land covering her face ... Maybe the next episode ... All signs that she is looking for ... But loved that he will marry her in dishonor ...

Shyam as not giving up in diverting Anjali's attention with his "Jalaibis" tongue full of deceits as everybody loves his Jalaibis...,his lies... which is making him so nonchalanced and selfsatisfied.He seems "savior" to her but in reality is worse than "Rakshus"...😡

The irony of who is true Rajkumar and who is the evil Rakshus ...

Pause here: Because of disconnection with Khushi ,it will be possible for Khushi to have sweet shop idea which will lead her to her "Rakshus".

La's entrance is a bit awkward as the girl has no idea of aarti's round round gives her round round around Naniji as she does not like this round round girl around Arnav or in RM doing her round round all around...She is not giving up as she is trying to win Arnav's family...

Pause here:La's character is unique as this gal has guts to come forward and do which is not her traits just for the sake of Arnav and at the top she knows he does not love her...not giving up just trying over and over...

So true ... She tries so hard ... But in the end says to Di Kush rishtay bass ho nahi patay ... Kisi ki bhi galti nahin hoti ...

During "aarti" the only one "Shakal" one face who has been snatched away from his eyes is doing round round infront of his eyes as so much to say in denial "sochna nahin chahta..Bhoolna chata hoon"...That Shakal is not giving up just trying to challenge go ahead and forget me over and over...

Pause here:[mein tumhari shakal dekhna nahin chahata... aap humari Shakal dekhna nahin chahte...Signal is RED and their train is not leaving or giving up the station...but trying to make them more irritate...

Like I said yesterday ... Loved your train anology ...

Arnav is watching and trying not to lose his temper infront of Nani."Bina bhiya keh eik kamre mein nahi reh sakat.."(Without marriage you can't live in one room...Naniji is not giving upon Arnav and trying hard to get him on track...

Naniji was bound to make everyone clear for not interrupting her and or helping La and Arnav in their decision living together as any elder in a traditional family can think and does.

Pause here:Fate is not giving up and Khushi will be in his room without proper marriage...

A proper marriage ... ASR perspective ... or Khushi's ... It will have to be Khushi's ... Merely coz of the samaj ka thapa ... The marriage with the perfectly performed complete rituals and yearly renewing of vows is hollow and fake ... And the Dishonored drag up temple steps ... Forceful ... incomplete ... belittling rituals is a vow of a lifetime ... Again beautiful ironic dichotomy ...

He storms up in his room,Throws off his layering clothes around hastily and not giving up his rage.ASR BG score...[My pondering point he wanted La to stay with him and has no problem and he also wants La to be treated with respect regardless they are married or not.It is evident he did have physical relations but in Sheetal track CVs changed it as Arnav said I was not that kind of boy...must be Channel and Viewers discretion .. If he was treating gals with this kind of respect then why my poor Khushi was always under attack dear ...]

From my perspective ... They did have an intimate relationship ... I mean consenting adults and all ... But what he said during Sheetal episodes could also be true ... Maybe in college he wasn't "That kind" ... But long way since he left college ... I personally would want it no other way ... He is an adult ... She is an adult ... They are seeing each other ... What else can it mean ...


Arnav said one thing is right "La is indeed a guest in RM...

No issues here ... He is crystal clear ... This is a short term relationship ... No Bahuria or future Bhau ...


JIjaji a wise guy "kaman sai nikla hua teer, aur zuban sai nikla hua shabd kabhi wapis nahin liya ja sakta..."(You can't take your words back as the arrow leaves the bow)..He grabbed ASR's attention and put him at the edge with "aur zindagi koi video player toh hai nahin keh rewind button dabaye aur galti sudhaar li."[and life is not like a video player in which you press a rewind button and correct your mistakes]

ArshiH ... Loved the photo compilation ... His every nuance ... His expressions ... Barun nay maar dala...



While standing his mind rewinded every pain he gave her from Sheesh Mahal to office ,from office to guest house because each time he did not want to see her face as he hates that aukat girl.But same exact words from her mouth which are written on his brain and infesting him , eering him over and over and her tears ,her pain is piercing him in his heart so sharply which is making unbearable for him to breath."Sansain ruk jayengi"

Which he denied to his Di is becoming reality as he is heaving with her pain...Just like her pearls and her tears which are not giving up making his heart and brain melt for her completely...


months later rehearsing the play

jab jo kiya, jab jo kaha uska koi matlab nahin
Jab jo boora kaha, uska koi matlab nahi,




One thing is commendable that Shyam surely knows how to tame a stubborn ASR with affection and softness and that's why at the end Arnav never believed him as he knew each word of Shyam is just a pure LIE.


"Barf sai ghire huwai pahar bhi garmi sai pighal kar jharnain ban jate hain"[mountains covered with snow melt like spring meaning stiff people melt with kindness]...No doubt you are giving Arnav so many ideas how to tame Khushi but he has to tame himself first in this process.

Is he the baraf ka pahar or is she the one ...

Arnav's belief in marriage surely connects some dots with his past as he does not want to be committed in that sense but he surely is comfortable to commit with this girl as he is not giving up in relation but trying to have one as Khushi left him "Hamesha Keh Liye" ..

I think ... It is a concerted effort to distance himself from this girl who left him ... Who did not give them a chance ... Tum aasay nahi ... Implying that they are not done ... This cannot end like this ...

"Nafrat hai na?aapko humse, hamaar shakkal se? to khush hojiye, kyu ki hum aapki nazron se hamesha ke liye door jaa rahe hai" her words still haunt him

His staring at space by clutching his fists and redeeming himself surely shows he is not giving up but trying to reel back those moments to get his Khushi back right infront of his eyes as he was staring at the sky on the other day in the rainy night feeling as he was doing something wrong just like today.That day he punished Red beauty and felt aching in his core and today she punished him with his own medicine and he is still aching and feeling something is going wrong but what and why...yet "Arnav Singh Raizada ko kissi larki sai Farak nahin parta..."

Loved Barun's expressions ...

As the thunderbolt on that day during rain was not giving up to make him realize she has entered in your territory and today he is trying to get her back in his territory but HOW to change the attitude of these two is worth trying without giving up and that thunderbolt is going being done by DM...as she is constantly trying and never gave up on these two...

ArshiH ... Lovely ... Indepth ... Detailed post ... Thanks for doing this and your diligence in responding ... I know how busy life is and you still find the time ... 😛 Won't be posting foe 49 ... Hubby's birthday and have promised to give him some attention ... He thinks is consumed by my obsession ... 😛
Edited by Ipoona - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#14
Nani my favorite person :
The kindly matriarch,

Outwardly soft and sweet

Yet an iron core inside


And look at the way

She runs the Raizada mansion


Look at the people in her home

A veritable salad bowl


Soft and delicate delusional Anjali

And drop in whenever I feel like damaad ji


The mild mannered mamaji, happy to play second fiddle to Arnav

The garish loud mouth manorama, a most unsuitable bahu for the genteel Nani


The good as gold Akash bitwa

And the khadoos Arnav, The Lord of the manor


She accepts them all, and keeps them in line

Yet gives them the space to be their own selves


Even Lavanya after the initial reluctance

Was enveloped in her warmth and goodness !!!!


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Posted: 12 years ago
#15
Thnx...Ipoona😊
A proper marriage ... ASR perspective ... or Khushi's ... It will have to be Khushi's ... Merely coz of the samaj ka thapa ... The marriage with the perfectly performed complete rituals and yearly renewing of vows is hollow and fake ... And the Dishonored drag up temple steps ... Forceful ... incomplete ... belittling rituals is a vow of a lifetime ... Again beautiful ironic dichotomy.

If you ask me it's not Khushi or Arnav ,it's only SAMAJ...Marriage with all what we see has no meaning for me...my personal experience ...yet he did remarriage for Khushi and Khushi did it for Samaj...who constant was digging it in her head...otherwise the temple marriage is a complete marriage...I wanted to see a quiet Mandir marriage in between both instead of al this as 6 months contract and everything always remained in between em then why this one...I wanted it this as their thing ...I don't know this is my POV...
Edited by ArshiHamesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: Arshics

Nani my favorite person :

The kindly matriarch,

Outwardly soft and sweet

Yet an iron core inside


And look at the way

She runs the Raizada mansion


Look at the people in her home

A veritable salad bowl


Soft and delicate delusional Anjali

And drop in whenever I feel like damaad ji


The mild mannered mamaji, happy to play second fiddle to Arnav

The garish loud mouth manorama, a most unsuitable bahu for the genteel Nani


The good as gold Akash bitwa

And the khadoos Arnav, The Lord of the manor


She accepts them all, and keeps them in line

Yet gives them the space to be their own selves


Even Lavanya after the initial reluctance

Was enveloped in her warmth and goodness !!!!



Lovely poem Archics...really Nani has all the flavors to be loved as Nani...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#17
To ArshiHamesha loved your insights. One thought to your pondering ' My pondering point he wanted La to stay with him and has no problem and he also wants La to be treated with respect regardless they are married or not.It is evident he did have physical relations but in Sheetal track CVs changed it as Arnav said I was not that kind of boy...must be Channel and Viewers discretion .' When he was talking about Sheetal he says he wasnt that kind of boy - bearing in mind he was 21ish he was studying to get to where he is today, one track in his
thoughts would be to get sheesh mehalfor Di. At this point he is 27/28 he has made it nice house, stable business, lots of money, lots of leggy women throwing themselves at him, his mind has wondered red blooded alpha male wouldnt say no. When ever we have seen him and La, its La making the moves, and if it is offered to him in his current thoughts about marriage well why not. He never intended marrying her she was just a trinket on his arm. What he actually fell for was a complete opposite to La, ie Khushi, someone his mother would have been proud to have as a daughter in law. In all Arnav stuck to his guns, he married khushi to keep her away from shyam, the second time he married her he did it for her, in his mind he regarded as his eofe the day he took her to his mums garden.

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