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zeezee55

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Posted: 12 years ago

#21

From what i can see Vikram can do no wrong - and his fans are so huge and speaks with rather strong words. I know i am going to regret writing this. But i feel that they are so onesided. If Adi or Sugni had done what vikram did they would have been condemned to the lowest possible, not that they have not already been condemned.

They love Vikram so much that they can overlook his abuses on the excuse that to quote "he is showing how much he LOVES SUGNI". If he truly loves Sugni, and if he truly understands how Sugni feels - he would have gone slow and allowed Sugni to recover - if the circumstances are what it is it is because of Vikram and Sugni - both have made some pretty foolish moves so please don't blame Sugni alone. Vikram is even more vile but you don't see it -- he is showing all the classic syndrome of a man possessed with lust rather than love.

As i said before - give Sugni a break - she has been pushed and pushed and she reacts like a deer caught in headlights -

Edited by zeezee55 - 12 years ago

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seemasr

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Posted: 12 years ago

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i donot understand how people say Vikram is lustful.What is lust basically?

as i know when you look at your girl it should dripped in your eye,you want to touch her , force to kiss her (however these things happen in love also.actually there is very fine line)..always there will be s#x in ur mind.you dont love the girl,rather you trap her and that too keeping in mind oh god just once ,just once i wanna to **** this girl.

i can't see any of above in vikram singh.. a woman has the instinct to differentiate between the two.

.The time period when sugni was there in haveli TVS and she confronted many times.but there was no lust..there were sweet teasing but no lust.However it was shown once sugni imagining vikram holding her from behind and u know...

When sugni started staying outthouse TVS wanted to reconcile.so many times he tried..but sugni was in no mood to even listen.At that time Vikram singh desparately trying to make sugni listen to him..but that cannot be termed as lust.I dont know may be the actor Varun is not good portraying lust ,,but you can't see it in his eyes.

Imagine when niranjan looks at sugni..the night when gulb went to tjs the way he looked at gul,,or when sugni's half brother looked at sug in 1st episode,,,comparinng to those where is lust in vikram singh's eye.?

his latest action which the cv made him to do is desparation in love but not lust..

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zeezee55

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Posted: 12 years ago

#23

You cannot see lust. But i do... i guess lust is in the eye of the beholder yah!!

He is desperate, too desperate. There is a fine line between desperate in a good way and desperate in a bad way and Vikram has crossed that fine line. His actions do not portray desperation in a romantic and fine manner. It is too gross.

Would you like someone coming after you like that ... i can tell you it is not pleasant. And I can assure you no matter how much you love that person - you will feel only loathing when they keep coming after you like that ... truly... i sympathise Sugni right now ...

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@lidvin

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Posted: 12 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: zeezee55
From what i can see Vikram can do no wrong - and his fans are so huge and speaks with rather strong words. I know i am going to regret writing this. But i feel that they are so onesided. If Adi or Sugni had done what vikram did they would have been condemned to the lowest possible, not that they have not already been condemned.

They love Vikram so much that they can overlook his abuses on the excuse that to quote "he is showing how much he LOVES SUGNI". If he truly loves Sugni, and if he truly understands how Sugni feels - he would have gone slow and allowed Sugni to recover - if the circumstances are what it is it is because of Vikram and Sugni - both have made some pretty foolish moves so please don't blame Sugni alone. Vikram is even more vile but you don't see it -- he is showing all the classic syndrome of a man possessed with lust rather than love.

As i said before - give Sugni a break - she has been pushed and pushed and she reacts like a deer caught in headlights -

Who said vikram can do no wrong - he hid a lie and most of them voiced it that it was wrong - i have read post (sugvi and vikram's fans) so it is not onesided.

If Adi had played vikram and vikram had played adi (vice versa role) - our opinion would have been same as u read now.

A man with selfishness n lust never regrets what he did and we see yesterday episode vikram regretting his action of hitting gulabia and ask for forgiveness from sugni - (read updates not seen yet will watch on net)

Both sugni and vikram were shown as vibrant character, firm and full of ray and hope. Here it is only Vikram who has not given up n sugni gave up so easily. A person who picked up the sickle to fight (earlier episode). A person who used to give hope to other people. a person who never took money from vikram when they were starving. A person who was ready to go to delhi without a cent in her pocket - didn't care for her family at that time & was happy now seeing her family enjoying the 20L at her expense from sardhakai so it is justfied. IF a person is cheated in love u don't take such drastic step (I can understand if they had shown her shy, humble and gentle and who thinks of her family and has done sacrifice for her family but in her case it is not so)

Yesterday episode they showed sugni asking adi to fill her mang. Here lets forget vikram n amrita. Adi mom she knows very well can't stand her at all so is she justified marrying adi.

CV's are to blame for this. We have to wait and watch whether the CV's will grow her character or will be it a soap unlike other soaps where we will see her shedding tears and taking insults and criticism with her head bow and adi what role he will play to protect her from all these.

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seemasr

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Posted: 12 years ago

#25

Originally posted by zeezee55
Would you like someone coming after you like that ... i can tell you it is not pleasant. And I can assure you no matter how much you love that person - you will feel only loathing when they keep coming after you like that ... truly... i sympathise Sugni right now ...

Well actually it depends how much i love that person.I know until we both clear our heart he would be coming after me.after all he needs to clear his point of view also.

Seriously i would not have just cried my part and let the person go to hell after that...

Edited by seemasr - 12 years ago

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@lidvin

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: zeezee55
You cannot see lust. But i do... i guess lust is in the eye of the beholder yah!!

He is desperate, too desperate. There is a fine line between desperate in a good way and desperate in a bad way and Vikram has crossed that fine line. His actions do not portray desperation in a romantic and fine manner. It is too gross.

Would you like someone coming after you like that ... i can tell you it is not pleasant. And I can assure you no matter how much you love that person - you will feel only loathing when they keep coming after you like that ... truly... i sympathise Sugni right now ...

No we are not fine with vikram going after sugni and again most of them have voiced that they don't want to see a possessive lover n are happy with adi-sungi pairig. We want sugni and even reva out of vikram's life n someone new and if not then also it is fine but want vikram firm n to make all their lives miserable for what they have done to him.

And if u are talking on real basis no i woudn't like someone coming after me but i will give the person an opportunity to speak in his defense and then think over it. So i ask if you were in sugni's place such a strong character the CV's have shown her

Which option u would have taken 1) Vikram divorcing rewa and getting married to him and leave a dignified life or do sardhakai from adi and ready to sleep with him to teach vikram or from any other thakur's if not adi and ready to sleep with them.

(Here we have voiced as per what the CV's have shown in this drama character-wise n it is justified)

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Ron

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Posted: 12 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: seemasr
Originally posted by zeezee55
Would you like someone coming after you like that ... i can tell you it is not pleasant. And I can assure you no matter how much you love that person - you will feel only loathing when they keep coming after you like that ... truly... i sympathise Sugni right now ...

Well actually it depends how much i love that person.I know until we both clear our heart he would be coming after me.after all he needs to clear his point of view also.

Seriously i would not have just cried my part and let the person go to hell after that...

why not to listen what he has to say ??? why keep running u know he will follow u ?
why to avoid him why? even killers have right to say their part then why not vikram hmmm ???

Kaha Ka Insaf hay ye?

Edited by ronshaan - 12 years ago

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zeezee55

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Posted: 12 years ago

#28

But hasn't he already spoken to Sugni - so many times ? and hasn't Sugni told him that she will never go with him again. Waht more does he want? Or is he only wanting the answer 'yes i will marry you' what answer does he expext Sugni to give ' yes please divorce your wife'

As for sadharkai - well that happened at a time when she was upset and broken. she was extremely emotionally disturbed.She is young with not much experience with men. Yes she made the mistake of offering herself for sadarkai (i have never condoned her for that - if you have read my other posts you will know that). But in emotional state did she do it - can't you forgive her for being distraught?

YOu can forgive Vikram for so many things but you can't forgive Sugni or Adi. Vikram is allowed to have emotional burnout but not Sugni.

Why - is it because she is a female, worse still a bedni female. I have read a few posts where readers hit her and insult her bedni roots - in the guise of hitting her for what she did - but from the tirade you can see how people look down on bednis and females.

I started supporting Sugni when i realised how mean and cruel people can be to females and particularly if you are from the lower strata of society.

i know everyone is now going to deny that they are biased and i know i will be accused of seeing something which they did not see.

Anyway let's just agree to disagree - ok. Besides what are we agreeing/disagreeing about - tomorrow the cvs will just wipe out with a swipe of their pens. we are not talking of real people here - just a character fashioned by cvs and accordin gto the whims of cvs.

right now i feel so foolish to even make comments.

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Julie

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Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Once again, the reason that Sugni is being condemned is for the fact that she has allowed {without a single protest} her best friend's fiancee and the man she CLAIMS to love nephew to do her sardakai. And in yesterday's episode, she once again, without a spare thought for Amrita, gave Aditya the sindhoor to fill her maang. This is what is grossing out and angering the fans. Especially when none of her actions were necessary. The sardakai or the sindhoor in her maang.

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zeezee55

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Posted: 12 years ago

#30

The sindoor happened just only but the condemnation happened much earlier all because she decided to reject Vikram. If she had accepted Vikram. had agreed to wait for Vikram till he solves his problem - like how> - divorcing Reva... or is she going to stay a nun's life until Reva dies naturally... or perhaps he could also keep her like a second wife illegally... why not? after all they are in love aren't they.. so its alright... i mean if she can do sadarkai with Adi why not Vikram - isnt' it better? sure why not - its ok for sugni and vikram who is married but not Sugni and Adi (because he is "bethrothed") very nice principles!!!

What can Sugni do? Tell me

As for Adi - please go back to past episodes - and you will see that Adi is not so much in love with Amrita as Amrita is with him. Did you notice how he was always cool - not that he was not affectionate but you do not see the passion - when he looks at Amrita there is no "need or passion" there. When Amrita left, if Adi was truly in love with her he would have gone after her regardless. For him to care for his uncle more than Amrita shows that he is not in love with her but probably was happy to marry her because they get along. Many people do that - you know - i'm comfortable with you and sure why not get married - then one day they meet the passion of their lives - and horrors 'I'm married'.

And as for Amrita - well again - if she truly loves Adi, she would have fought for her love. But she compliantly went back with her parents - compiantly - I was rather surprised when she did that because Amrita came across as a very modern girl who knows what she wants and who is not afraid to stand for what she thinks is right. And this very modern girl is somehow cowed by her parents that even when she is back to her hometown is unable to contact Adi because her parents are always with her (surprise! surprise!) and yet she was at Arjun n Ovi's dinner without her parents where she was able to meet Gulabiya etc,,etc So methinks that she is also not passionately in love with Adi - yah she's sad becaause she did care for Adi but perhaps not to great depths.

So you have two persons who care for each other and not really passonately in love for each other - from what i see - well i think they are better off no haviing each other.

Edited by zeezee55 - 12 years ago

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