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Posted: 15 years ago

#191

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

instructions about what ?If U dont mind Im curious

she wanted to add me to buddy list but did not know how.

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gaurimisha

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Posted: 15 years ago

#192

If shravani feels insecure,why shud she chose a lane....to make her feel secure...nope....shravani feels insecure for her own lack of maturity and understanding.Much as I never held shravani for the pain Archu was going through during her engagement,I dont hold archana responsible for anything that shravani feels..Disagree here , things r never so black and white . U guys do feel that Shravni is responsible for Archus pain ....I have read ur posts in Shravni Hate Club .😊 A lot of blame is given in that thread to Shravni for being the major pain in Archus life .

I still think Manav should have said No to the engagement,never blamed shravani for this thing in particular(And no ,not even in hate club,I said this).Obviously,there are so many other instances where I blame shravani for causing Archu pain😃

Arre these r other people .Her own family has not bothered . And why will Girish think of Archnas future ? 😆 Gm dearest u musnt make me laugh over my morning cuppa tea . I will choke .Now full day Im gonna think of Girish loving Archu as a daughter .On a serious note .......If u feel Sulos kindness towards Shravni is NORMAL ur wrong dear . Ideally , the two sisters and Archnas parents shud have cornered Manav and asked him why the hell he is NOT giving Archu a thought inspite of knowing now she isnt wrong . But na.........they r blessing the marraige and their own daughter's barbaadi . Same thing they r doing with Varsha . They r blessing Urmis marraige and their own daughters barbaadi . What advice Damo will give ........on the day he gave tape , he cleverly hid it from her that Manav Shravni r planning to get married and allowed her to say NO to divorce in court and later walk into a BIG INSULT . Do u seriously want these selfish , whacko elders giving her aDVICE ? 😆 I don't . Trust me the elders have done ENOUGH SATYANAASH .

😆😆...Now that u say abt the elders,I can understand why Archu or Manav behave this way...its in their genes!!

I know Girishji will never love Archu,he should ideally love his daughter only but somewhere I feel he could have ,out of humanity ,had a straight talk with Archu rather than Manav,giving her some practical gyaan...I dont know if its ideal or not,but he could have done so for a girl who is going to lose something to his daughter.I find that a very human instinct...to care a bit atleast.

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SweetFifi

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Posted: 15 years ago

#193

Originally posted by: stillhopeful

she wanted to add me to buddy list but did not know how.

notwithstanding the fact that i did tell her how to do it a while back 😆 😆

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SweetFifi

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Posted: 15 years ago

#194

today is my mother's death anniversary...she died 27 years ago 😭 and also her eldest sister died last year the very same date so today is her death anniversary too...

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Arien_03

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Posted: 15 years ago

#195

Originally posted by Arien_03

Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

Originally posted by Arien_03

Archana never hovered between them... she has always pushed Manav towards Shravani and made him try n understand her situation and her POV on contrary... Why Archana attempt at making her relationship better with Manav and his family is seen as clinging on... why can't she part away from family in good terms.... Is it necessary that if people are getting divorced they should part with sour feelings?

I disagree here . Yes she hovered , and she hovered constantly . In vandus problem , in garage problem , in this and that , right upto point of nursing Manav herself instead of waking his mom up . Simple thing ...if she goes in 14 days and he falls sick , who will take care of him ?His mom na ? So go , fetch his mom .But na....she wants to PLAY WIFEY till the end and walk off with MEMORIES .......well , her playing WIFEY all the time made Shravni more and more insecure . What Archna has done is absolutely not rifgght .

No one does not have to part on sour terms in a divorce necessarily . She cud have been pleasant by staying out of crucial family matters too . But thats NOT what has happened there ....she is playing Bahu and Wifey both .

Vandus' problem, where does it stem from? How did Ajit came in their life?Why was Manav collecting evidence against Ajit? Why did Ajit frame Manav? What had Ajit done and to whom?.......In all these answers one word will be common 'ARCHANA. So why is Archana wrong in trying to solve Vandu's problem if she is the root cause of Vandu's problem. Besides how did Savita start actually melting towards Archana ( onset of improving relation ) - when Archana demonstrated her care and support for Vandu as a SIL.

Vandu 's problem was purely coz Vandu took a very big step of registering a police complaint against an evil man , whom her big brother and bhabhi had sensibly decided to overlook as he was far too big for them to handle. No one had DREAMT Vandu wud do the complaint . It is a very big step for a mere chit of a college going gal . But if u notice , Vandita seems to have these tendencies of NOT LISTENING and doing what SHE FEELS IS RIGHT . She later married the very same man who tried to rape her .

Even further than that , she opted to STAY in the marraige and NOT return to maayka although her mom told her to come home . Is even that going to be traced to Archana ? How much and how far shud these problems , created by other people's mistakes , shud be traced to Archna simply coz she is related to them ? It sounds grossly unfair and far fetched to me . Tomorrow Ajit may MURDER Vandu in a drunken rage ..........shud we say from where did Ajit stem in their lives , lets go and blame that person for this murder who brought Ajit in first place in their lives ? My only point here is..........whatever happened in the past , somewhere a line has to be drawn

So what was Savita's reaction after Ajit's attempted rape? she placed whole blame on Archana, that it was all happening coz of Archana, Ajit first tried to ruin her life then Manav's life then now Vandita's life. Archana ended up taking all blame for whatever was happening to Vandita and its not me blaming, its Savita! So naturally Archana feels that she is responsible for Vandita's trouble and tried to get justice for her.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#196

Originally posted by: PRnerd
today is my mother's death anniversary...she died 27 years ago 😭 and also her eldest sister died last year the very same date so today is her death anniversary too...

sorry to hear about that Fifi.

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Arien_03

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Posted: 15 years ago

#197

@Kool ( Red- kool, Black- Arien)

Even further than that , she opted to STAY in the marraige and NOT return to maayka although her mom told her to come home . Is even that going to be traced to Archana ? How much and how far shud these problems , created by other people's mistakes , shud be traced to Archna simply coz she is related to them ? It sounds grossly unfair and far fetched to me . Tomorrow Ajit may MURDER Vandu in a drunken rage ..........shud we say from where did Ajit stem in their lives , lets go and blame that person for this murder who brought Ajit in first place in their lives ? My only point here is..........whatever happened in the past , somewhere a line has to be drawn

Line has been drawn after Vandu decided to marry Ajit, Archana is no longer can be held responsible for Vandu's actions/miseries. Even Savita who loves to put blame on Archana didn't hold her responsible for Vandita's marriage to Ajit.

and Archna shud disassociate from The Deshmukhs coz hubby is JUST NOT SAYING HE WILL GIVE THEIR MARRAIGE A CHANCE BUT REPEATING LIKE A PARROT THAT IM GONNA MARRY SHRAVNI ONLY .

Sorry but I don't see any relation between Archana's involvement in trying to seek help for Vandu anything to do with Manav's commitment to Shravani, these are two different issues.

As I saw it , I saw Archna getting involved more and more coz she WANTED to be Involved .........it was not so much out of GUILT at all . [ That Ajit is her relation after all] . When she clearly knew Manav Shravni r gonna get married , why so much involvement why no effort to disentangle is my personal POV .

What other involvement? After Vandu's marriage, Rasika calls Archu to come to her house and Vandu is missing her..... So she should not have gone there? When Lokhande came to their house she should not have cooked for them? She should not have fought for Savita's honor when Rasika asked her to do Laavni? She should not have helped Savita with household work? She should not have tried to help Manav in garage problem? Not nursed him when he was sick?

If Savita holds Archana in high esteem today its all coz of Archana's above involvement. If Manav finds Archana as a person who he can confide his problems its coz of Archana's above involvement. Its Archana's intrinsic nature to be helpful and caring to others and to change one's intrinsic nature in an effort to disentangle from family coz she is getting divorce is not possible (not necessary is my POV)

Manav gave her the mangalsutra back coz the second wife does NOT wear mangalsutra of FIRST wife at all . It is Inappropriate and against scriptures . And if u notice He wants her to be wife till 3 months only .He is Not going beyond the number 3 .

Archana is NOT expecting Manav to change his decision to marry Shravani. She is as clear about Manav's decision as Manav himself. Whatever she is doing for family, she is not doing it with hopes that Manav will relent and change his decision. Even if Manav decides to change his decision for some reason, Archana will divorce him.

Is this an honor given to Archu or an insult ? Me , I feel it is a shameful insult .She shud have thrown the mangalsutra away in anger saying who the hell wants to wear it , ideally speaking . If Im not gonna wear it for Life , why wear it for 3 months , u weakling , she shud have asked Manav .But ok , it is ARCHANA . So she shud have gently but firmly put her foot down and told him .......The relation ceased to exist the DAY you put sindoor in Shravnis maang

(Archana was witness to that event and saw how he was bullied and blackmailed by Savita. And next day he put sindoor on Archana. Also Manav didn't look as much in turmoil, when Priest at temple asked him to put sindoor on Archana as he was when Savita asked him to put sindoor on Shravani.) in front of me and now ur here , giving me mangalsutra and saying Im ur wife for 3 months ? At least go and be faithful to that woman whom u pledged ur life with ! R u seriously saying she shud be elated that he wants her to be his wife for 3 months and start playing wifey ? My POV is different ..I feel she shud indeed play wifey but only when he says Im ready to work on this marraige and we can perhaps be partners for LIFE . But Manav cannot say that due to his commitment to the baby . Then why be elated and why play Wifey .......why not be pleasantly detached . Of course this neednt be ur POV ..as i said it is strictly MINE.

Nobody said that she should be elated, nor did Archana looked elated on receiving her mangalsutra and jumped upon the role of playing wife. I saw no change in Archana's behaviour before and after Manav gave her mangalsutra. She was being herself and not trying to play wife or bahu upon getting mangalsutra. Manav made one thing clear though that Shravani is not his wife yet. If Archana was playing wife and DIL then what do you say Manav was doing? staying in Karanjkars house as SIL, doing Kanyaadaan. When they are getting divorce why Manav borrowed money for Varsha's wedding. Why put blame only on Archana then?

Who came to kitchen and made intentional noise to wake Archana ? Why didn't Manav go to his mom if he was not well. Why is it such a crime? how could Archana take care of sick Manav when he was running 103 fever, she should hv thought of Shravani's feeling first when Shravani was probably snoring next door. May I ask when has Shravani ever cared for other person's feeling? Why everyone should be caring so much for Shravani's while she never bothers about other person's feeling. If Shravani is insecure in life coz she made a mistake in life by getting pregnant before marriage and then another mistake by insisting on giving birth to baby and then another mistake by getting engaged to Manav knowing that his wife wants to come back to him and they both love each other, then why everybody else should be assuaging her insecurities? Ok ......about this intentional noise , I have been reading about it for quite some time and I don't think the noise was intentional at all . I saw it as a mistake . Was it really intentional ?Dunno . I saw it as Manav coming to see her coz he was afraid of losing her in his dreeam and the noise just happened .

He lifted a heavy earthen pot filled with water with his fist and let it drop to make noise.

Anyways ..thats besides the point . Let us assume it WAS intentional , that he indeed came to her , That he indeed LOVES her . But is he giving her commitment or is he giving Shravni commitment ? No , till his last breath he will say You r just a good friend now , My commitment is to Shravni alone .Manav is JUST NOT COMING AROUND ! Other than ArMan fans in this forum no one else wants him to COME AROUND.

And if he has such a profound sense of duty , why complicate matters for him , the marraige is oh so over ! Ultimately husband is the main thing in a marraige all other relations , rights etc r due to himand the relationship with him . But if Main Person is only not saying YES why shud the wife go on being involved ? Wont it increase her hurt and HIS too ?

Archana is at peace with the decision made and if she can handle it then we must not fret over why she is getting involved. She tried to stop Manav from getting more invovled but looks like Manav also knows what he is doing and said it'll not hurt him. Even if it hurts it will hurt for few days but rest of life they can live peacefully on happy note that the misunderstanding and sour feeling were gone and everyone will have pleasant memory when they think of each other.

At a certain point for His Sake say enough isenough and leave him alone ! Again it is my POV only .About assuaging Shravnis insecurities

I wrote about Shravani's insecurities coz u wrote that while Archana got involved and played wife it made Shravani insecure. And so I wrote that Shravani is insecure in life coz of her mistakes then why put blame on Archana for her insecurities.

.........Arien , The marraige is not for Shravni , its for the baby . By now full society knows that Shravni is unwed mom . So u see , the point of saving Shravnis honor holds no value anymore . Yet Manav is insisting on this marraige What kind of message it will send across? Do u seriously want Manav to step back from his promise coz now everybody knows the truth. How will it solve question abt Shravani's future and baby's future?.........it is coz he wants the baby in his family alone [ a point u said last time u were not convinced of] . But see , everything points that way . About When Shravni cared for othes feelings........Well she did permit Manav to go to Varshas engagement and wedding both although one word cud have prevented it. She herself hated it bt she relented for Manavs sake ..... Yes prevented it and given a reason for Manav to feels bad about Shravani. She couldn't afford that, she wants to prove Manav that she is a good person so even if it hurts her ( why should she feel hurt? ) she gave permission. which proves that she is not such a monster as others make her out to be . That was back then, now she has given enough evidence to prove that she is mean and jealous individual.

Archana never hovered between Manav and Shravani as Manav is never seen with Shravani. But yes Shravani tries her best to hover in between Manav and Archana all the time. The hovering that I am talking about is NOT the shots shown in the serial where Shravni stands between Archu Manav each time .Of course the creatives will play to viewership by showing these triangle shots . What I am talking about is the plain story that was given to us . That A couple was getting divorced , that The man told his dead bros unwed fiancee he wud marry her coz his marraige was finished anyway , That she repeatedly told him plz give ur first marraige a chance , I will Not force u in this marraige , And then what do we see her doing after overhearing Manav's confession of his love towards Archana, she goes for abortion ( leaving trail for Archana to follow her) and then when her father asks why she did that she says ' I thought I was coming in between Archana and Manav'. Doesn't resist hard to her father's engagement proposal too. And what a tranformation after engagement, its difficult to believe this person even spoke to Manav about considering his first marriage.That makes her dialogues to Manav about considering his marriage just empty words as her actions speak otherwise.

That he assured her NOTHING wud Make Him go back to his first wife , The First Wife Returned due to a late wake up call , Told this second wife that she wud NEVER interfere in this scenario after listening to the events that led to it , that her promises remained verbal alone but her actions started speaking something else as she started getting more and more involved in every little thing , That the man and the first wife constantly started appearing as a couple in front of the unwed fiancee , That after a while , unable to bear it she started snapping, only to find that it is she who has lost the chance to really work at her compro marraige as this first wife returned and just took over . That the second wife never ever had a real chance at all . I see the story this way and hence my sympathy to her as it is she who was the loser always , and will ultimately move out of ARMAN"s way . Anyway , its my POV as i said , needn't be anyone elses .

Then why is Shravani trying to play wife even before she is married to Manav. Why take Archana's mangalsutra and wear it herself in front of Archana saying that she is Manav's wife now. Why is it so impossible for her to accept that Manav and Archana are not yet divorced, let them be couple for few more days na. Manav and Archana have reassured her umpteen number of times but its her insecurities steming from her mistakes that she does not get convinced. If she had accepted that Archana is Manav's first wife and Manav's first love and shown some maturity in her behaviour by not calling her other woman, she would hv done herself a favour. Who was stopping her from trying to solve Vandu's problem, her dowry problem, garage problem and speaking up for Savita when Rasika insulted her. Like Savita said Archana shouldn't hv done what she did, it should have been Shravani. I know she is pregnant but talking on phone to solve garage problem and speaking up for Savita, only required speaking. Nobody stopped Shravani from behaving as future DIL but she didn't get involved at all. Then you say she didn't get fair chance.

Edited by Arien_03 - 15 years ago