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Posted: 7 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: ILTHBEB

So according to you neil should free avni then avni will do her gundagri n neil shouldn't stop her until he targets gun on vidyut!😆 but neil is determined also now that he won't do same fault again that he did in juhi track that he couldn't reach at mean time for saving avni. Anyway today n tomorrow avni will exit from jail n she is definitely gonna target gun on vidyut's head. Don't worry.😉

no absolutely not. Neil has to do everything to prevent her from escaping. From letting her being the person who'd kill others. See, that is the thing. Neil is the yang to avni's yin. It is shola and shabnam kind of thing, just in reverse. He has to do what his Character demands. That is to protect avni/ prevent her from going berserk.

While she has to do what her character demands. That is break free.

I have said earlier too. And I 'd say again avni -Neil can later on work together against vidyut. But right now I 'd rather see a vidyut-neil-avni fighting triangle.

See, we know what Neil is doing for avni is to protect her. But she doesn't know it. And let's be frank, even though neil did everything in good faith, but he did damage avni good in the emotions. So, obviously she is back to her take no nonsense self.
The bottom line is he did lie. He is lying now too. And he himself is breaking the law. So, obviously he is going against his own grain for his love. But what avni will see is he is not following what his preaches. So, her anger is not misplaced either.


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Posted: 7 years ago
#52
Thinking short term or long term isn't even an agenda here.
It is about AvNeil.
I am not even going to bring Vidyut to this topic right now.

First things first, we all know Avni is impulsive. Done and dusted. I don't see the point of people repeating this time and again, when it is already an established fact!

She is anyway reeling in the dominating impact of Vidyut's sins and wants to punish him. People are taking everything so much at face value that, Oh, Avni wants to kill Vidyut right after going away from jail. Then they bring the angle that the other day when she saw Vidyut and Monica she was going to kill him.

I mean, really?

Her saying, Main tujhe chordungi nahi Vidyut!' Means she will KILL him?

Then how about the n. Number of times Neil too has said the exact same words for Vidyut, and not actually killed Vidyut?

Chalo, ye bhi chordo. LOGICALLY speaking, do you guys think it was possible for Avni that day (even if she broke out of that secret passage somehow) to KILL Vidyut ? Bhari sabha mein?
Does she even have a weapon FFS?

Coming to Neil.

The dude has so far barely managed to solve any mission without Avni by his side (including Juhi's truth reveal) and he is (maan lete hai for argument's sake) currently a highly established officer on a mission to bring Vidyut down.
He is so overconfident that he tells Avni, you can NEVER leave this jail and my eyes are on you 24x7!

Cool.
Good enough.

Then, what Bulls eye is he hitting by showering Avni with bitter, bitter words time and again?
What treasure is he getting as a reward by using her emotions, physical intimacy, etc. to trap her, baar-baar?

He wants to block all her ways to escape prison- Done! Got the point!
Then what added advantage is he accumulating by being SO mean and harsh to her, and then (seldom) sulking in silence, Kahin Maine Avni ko kho toh nahi diya?

Nahi, mister. Avni Toh tumhari Hi Amanat hai. Bhaagte hue tumhari baahon mein aayegi.

And for everyone saying if Avni knew the truth she wouldn't sit idle and (again) do something in her impulsiveness. My mates, what IS she doing NOW, anyway?

Chalo, Neil doesn't even need to reveal the truth to her. But at least he can stop aggravating th emotional damage he caused her 6 months back and now right?

Instead, he is more harsh with her, shows her yet again that she is a criminal and he doesnt trust her, and this way, he is fanning her determination to break the law and escape prison again. For all I care, the guy can stop being mean to her and instead lock her in solitary confinement, making it more difficult for her to escape, instead of going all mean-girls' on her!


Breaking the law reminds me, he too is doing exactly that with an alias, but just because he thinks his agenda is *noble* he retorts to Avni with Main kanoon todta nahi, kanoon todne walon ko todta Hun!'

Okay. So the bottom line is: Hamesha hum apne aap ke nazro mein sahi hi hote hai.
Isn't it?

I am sorry if this comes across as a Neil bashing post, but this is something That's getting factually surfaced in front of me as I am seeing the story and since equally weighing the characters came to question, I couldn't help but give my two cents on this. And I would be extremely disappointed with Avni if the next time she lets her horny hormones overrule her self respect and she closes her eyes to kiss Neil, instead of leaving him high and dry, the same way he has been doing with her of late!

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Posted: 7 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Simi1711

Thinking short term or long term isn't even an agenda here.
It is about AvNeil.
I am not even going to bring Vidyut to this topic right now.

First things first, we all know Avni is impulsive. Done and dusted. I don't see the point of people repeating this time and again, when it is already an established fact!

She is anyway reeling in the dominating impact of Vidyut's sins and wants to punish him. People are taking everything so much at face value that, Oh, Avni wants to kill Vidyut right after going away from jail. Then they bring the angle that the other day when she saw Vidyut and Monica she was going to kill him.

I mean, really?

Her saying, Main tujhe chordungi nahi Vidyut!' Means she will KILL him?

Then how about the n. Number of times Neil too has said the exact same words for Vidyut, and not actually killed Vidyut?

Chalo, ye bhi chordo. LOGICALLY speaking, do you guys think it was possible for Avni that day (even if she broke out of that secret passage somehow) to KILL Vidyut ? Bhari sabha mein?
Does she even have a weapon FFS?

Coming to Neil.

The dude has so far barely managed to solve any mission without Avni by his side (including Juhi's truth reveal) and he is (maan lete hai for argument's sake) currently a highly established officer on a mission to bring Vidyut down.
He is so overconfident that he tells Avni, you can NEVER leave this jail and my eyes are on you 24x7!

Cool.
Good enough.

Then, what Bulls eye is he hitting by showering Avni with bitter, bitter words time and again?
What treasure is he getting as a reward by using her emotions, physical intimacy, etc. to trap her, baar-baar?

He wants to block all her ways to escape prison- Done! Got the point!
Then what added advantage is he accumulating by being SO mean and harsh to her, and then (seldom) sulking in silence, Kahin Maine Avni ko kho toh nahi diya?

Nahi, mister. Avni Toh tumhari Hi Amanat hai. Bhaagte hue tumhari baahon mein aayegi.

And for everyone saying if Avni knew the truth she wouldn't sit idle and (again) do something in her impulsiveness. My mates, what IS she doing NOW, anyway?

Chalo, Neil doesn't even need to reveal the truth to her. But at least he can stop aggravating th emotional damage he caused her 6 months back and now right?

Instead, he is more harsh with her, shows her yet again that she is a criminal and he doesnt trust her, and this way, he is fanning her determination to break the law and escape prison again. For all I care, the guy can stop being mean to her and instead lock her in solitary confinement, making it more difficult for her to escape, instead of going all mean-girls' on her!


Breaking the law reminds me, he too is doing exactly that with an alias, but just because he thinks his agenda is *noble* he retorts to Avni with Main kanoon todta nahi, kanoon todne walon ko todta Hun!'

Okay. So the bottom line is: Hamesha hum apne aap ke nazro mein sahi hi hote hai.
Isn't it?

I am sorry if this comes across as a Neil bashing post, but this is something That's getting factually surfaced in front of me as I am seeing the story and since equally weighing the characters came to question, I couldn't help but give my two cents on this. And I would be extremely disappointed with Avni if the next time she lets her horny hormones overrule her self respect and she closes her eyes to kiss Neil, instead of leaving him high and dry, the same way he has been doing with her of late!

Bold: if you see only through juhi track then yes neil didn't mange anything in this track without avni but don't forget in dayawanti track avni could not do anything without neil.Those times I saw ppl were telling avni is completely dependent on neil. Avneil are half of each other if in any track avni depends on neil completely then in next track neil also can depend on avni completely.what's problem in this? N about his overconfidence in defeating vidyut perhaps he is overconfidence doing it without avni but here it's not like neil is underestimated avni's capability rather his reason is different. As he saw avni to take arms in her hands n targeted her on enemies then why he shouldn't get fear of its negative consequence?
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Posted: 7 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Globetrotter_me

@ arshifan

But isn't that avni's character sketch? She has always been hot headed. A volcano impending to burst. She has never gotten back from picking up a gun. Whether it was dvm or ragini pandit or even aman. She has picked up gun against them and would have killed them too, with zero guilt, had Neil not intervened.

So, what is the problem with her picking up a gun against Vidyut? I think I love her this bandook meri laila thing.😉

And I am not saying,she should kill him. Obviously Neill will intervene again, as he is doing now. But I really dig this independent, head strong, giving no f**ks to others kind of female lead. What is wrong if she takes matter into her own hands? I think it will be super fun to watch. Teeno taraf aag barabar lagegi😆



I have no problem with Avni's character sketch, she is shown to be human, feeling what human beings feel and not mahaan, I like that, just the way Neil accepted her the way she is, we all did, and I don't want Neil to try to change her, but he can deal with her weak points in some crucial situations and this is what he is doing, when it comes to her safety, he can go to any extent. I know she will run away, she might do some wrongs things, some good ones, she might help Neil or create more troubles, my point is why people are balming Neil!!! If they accepted her character sketch, then Neil also is a protective man and he is known for his unconventional ways especially when it comes to Avni and his unconditional love for her.


When Avni can get a free pass stating her past, her pain, I can't understand why people can't understand Neil, no one will love her more than him even if he hurts her at times, he always has in his mind her greater good, so I might be in the minority who have no sadistic feelings towards Neil, I feel for Avni so much, believe me, I know she is innocent and she is suffering and she doesn't deserve it but let her decide what she wants to do, if she wants to be angry with him, she can, let them discuss their problems, their ways, for me to each point there is a counter point, Avni has done her share of mistakes which had some serious consequences, yet Neil has always been understanding and protective and he didn't take things to heart.

If people want to watch it as a story, then no sides should be taken!

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Posted: 7 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: ILTHBEB


Bold: if you see only through juhi track then yes neil didn't mange anything in this track without avni but don't forget in dayawanti track avni could not do anything without neil.Those times I saw ppl were telling avni is completely dependent on neil. Avneil are half of each other if in any track avni depends on neil completely then in next track neil also can depend on avni completely.what's problem in this? N about his overconfidence in defeating vidyut perhaps he is overconfidence doing it without avni but here it's not like neil is underestimated avni's capability rather his reason is different. As he saw avni to take arms in her hands n targeted her on enemies then why he shouldn't get fear of its negative consequence?



And hence the word, barely' .. it is not like he has never accomplished a mission by himself.
But post DVM, Avni has always been a part of all his mission. RM, Vidyut, RP, Saving Mishti, Juhi..

If he thinks Avni would go rogue just by hearing the truth, then shouldn't he have faith in his love like he previously had when all of the aforementioned missions were handled by them TOGETHER?


When he can *stop* her from escaping the prison now then why can't he *stop* her after telling her the truth?
Isn't he KAABIL enough ?
Edited by Simi1711 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Simi1711



And hence the word, barely' .. it is not like he has never accomplished a mission by himself.
But post DVM, Avni has always been a part of all his mission. RM, Vidyut, RP, Saving Mishti, Juhi..

If he thinks Avni would go rogue just by hearing the truth, then shouldn't he have faith in his love like he previously had when all of the aforementioned missions were handled by them TOGETHER?

After seeing her being repeatedly rogue if he didn't take risk about her what's even problem in it! N how can you be sure that avneil won't make plan against vidyut in future? Vidyut isn't going anywhere so soon. Why can't take this journey of avneil is another new chapter of their life where they will find themselves newly. Perhaps from this track avni will discover where neil exactly fears about her n neil doesn't consider her criminal ever simultaneously neil also maybe will understand that despite avni becomes impulsive extremely when she becomes ananya still she has self control so he doesn't need to get fear anymore.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: ILTHBEB


After seeing her being repeatedly rogue if he didn't take risk about her what's even problem in it! N how can you be sure that avneil won't make plan against vidyut in future? Vidyut isn't going anywhere so soon. Why can't take this journey of avneil is another new chapter of their life where they will find themselves newly. Perhaps from this track avni will discover where neil exactly fears about her n neil doesn't consider her criminal ever simultaneously neil also maybe will understand that despite avni becomes impulsive extremely when she becomes ananya still she has self control so he doesn't need to get fear anymore.



New chapter of their life?
I don't know if you or me can empathise, but staying in prison and then going back to life is never simple. The haunting remains strong and I know this because I have personally interviewed former prisoners when I was pursuing journalism.

Do you think Avni or for any girl whose husband wiped off her sindoor, broke her mangalsutra, humiliated her publicly, deemed her to be a criminal, which was also covered by media, it would be so easy to treat it as a new chapter' and don the same things again and go back to the old life (or new) as if nothing happened?

Easier said than done!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Simi1711

Thinking short term or long term isn't even an agenda here.
It is about AvNeil.
I am not even going to bring Vidyut to this topic right now.

First things first, we all know Avni is impulsive. Done and dusted. I don't see the point of people repeating this time and again, when it is already an established fact!

She is anyway reeling in the dominating impact of Vidyut's sins and wants to punish him. People are taking everything so much at face value that, Oh, Avni wants to kill Vidyut right after going away from jail. Then they bring the angle that the other day when she saw Vidyut and Monica she was going to kill him.

I mean, really?

Her saying, Main tujhe chordungi nahi Vidyut!' Means she will KILL him?

Then how about the n. Number of times Neil too has said the exact same words for Vidyut, and not actually killed Vidyut?

Chalo, ye bhi chordo. LOGICALLY speaking, do you guys think it was possible for Avni that day (even if she broke out of that secret passage somehow) to KILL Vidyut ? Bhari sabha mein?
Does she even have a weapon FFS?

Coming to Neil.

The dude has so far barely managed to solve any mission without Avni by his side (including Juhi's truth reveal) and he is (maan lete hai for argument's sake) currently a highly established officer on a mission to bring Vidyut down.
He is so overconfident that he tells Avni, you can NEVER leave this jail and my eyes are on you 24x7!

Cool.
Good enough.

Then, what Bulls eye is he hitting by showering Avni with bitter, bitter words time and again?
What treasure is he getting as a reward by using her emotions, physical intimacy, etc. to trap her, baar-baar?

He wants to block all her ways to escape prison- Done! Got the point!
Then what added advantage is he accumulating by being SO mean and harsh to her, and then (seldom) sulking in silence, Kahin Maine Avni ko kho toh nahi diya?

Nahi, mister. Avni Toh tumhari Hi Amanat hai. Bhaagte hue tumhari baahon mein aayegi.


And for everyone saying if Avni knew the truth she wouldn't sit idle and (again) do something in her impulsiveness. My mates, what IS she doing NOW, anyway?

Chalo, Neil doesn't even need to reveal the truth to her. But at least he can stop aggravating th emotional damage he caused her 6 months back and now right?

Instead, he is more harsh with her, shows her yet again that she is a criminal and he doesnt trust her, and this way, he is fanning her determination to break the law and escape prison again. For all I care, the guy can stop being mean to her and instead lock her in solitary confinement, making it more difficult for her to escape, instead of going all mean-girls' on her!


Breaking the law reminds me, he too is doing exactly that with an alias, but just because he thinks his agenda is *noble* he retorts to Avni with Main kanoon todta nahi, kanoon todne walon ko todta Hun!'

Okay. So the bottom line is: Hamesha hum apne aap ke nazro mein sahi hi hote hai.
Isn't it?

I am sorry if this comes across as a Neil bashing post, but this is something That's getting factually surfaced in front of me as I am seeing the story and since equally weighing the characters came to question, I couldn't help but give my two cents on this. And I would be extremely disappointed with Avni if the next time she lets her horny hormones overrule her self respect and she closes her eyes to kiss Neil, instead of leaving him high and dry, the same way he has been doing with her of late!



I agree so much with your post. It's irritating to see Neil use physical intimacy to trap her. It's like whatever Neil has done is being downplayed. Granted, it was to save her but still. And Avni falls right into his arms each time. Where is that calcuative Avni I was so impressed with in the first week of the leap? I had so manh expectations for this, the angst the pain and ultimately the reunion. But I really wish Avni would focus on her mission now and stop falling weak in front of Neil. I'm alright with her pondering over his actions but in private. I don't like the way he taunts her as well, especially when he knows she is innocent. And especially now that the honest cop has become an illegal vigilante as well.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I for once am not blaming Neil. If you read my above reply you'd come to know that. I know they are like yin and yang.

In fact, unlike yesterday's episode, today I really liked the episode because everyone was behaving like they should have. For me yesterday was not good because I saw flipping of the characters and today they were back to the place where I had imagined them, in my head.

Secondly, it is a matter of perspective. And more the number of people more different would be their perspective. I think it is okay to sympathize with one character more than the other. It is absolutely okay. And humane on the part of the viewer.
Now, this has always been Avni's story and if you look from avni's pov neil has wronged her. So, as a female I think I too sympathize with Avni more than Neil. I am not saying I hate him or he is wrong. See it cannot be a total white and black thing. On my scale, right now, where avni is a good 60-65 neil is a 35-40.

Maybe, with Neo's story line the scale flips. This is based on current situation where I know what Avni has endured in the past 6 months because I was shown it. But I am only made to guess what neil has done. So, isn't it on me to guess whatever I want to? I could think from greatest of great stuff to rather not important filth.

People will relate back to Neil. I am sure. Every one loves him as a character. Just let them show his background story. Get some closure on his past.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ekaemna

Did anyone notice Neil said tum un criminals jaise behave kar rahi ho.This somehow gave sukoon to me.

kesa sukoon?😕

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