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Posted: 12 years ago
Our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammed Mustafa Sallalahu Alaiyhe wasallam was sent as a mercy for the humankind
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Posted: 12 years ago
Eid Mubarak to all of u

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Posted: 12 years ago
eid miladun nabi mubarak to everyone
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Eid Miladun Nabi Mubarak to everyone.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: hukshila


Wa Alaikum Assalam Warahmatullahi Wabaraktuh

1st of all i agree what you said that none of us is a scholar. right, but being on india-forus doesn't mean that i can't tell the right or wrong. Alhamdu lilah i have done MA in Islamic Studies and have my own books of Tafaseer ul Quran and Ahdith.


2ndly, 1 wrong act doesn't provide the base of intervention/innovation in religion nor it does allow for doing so. watching shows doesn't allow us to invent in Isalm.

3rdly, i disagree with your point that when we tell here some thing that means to show off or boosting ourselves. when i have joined this forum, i was not use to of telling who am I, even i didn't mention it for a long time to people that i m a Muslim. For the first time i wrote such type of post when some one posted wrong info on Meraj's occasion and refused to edit just thinking that the post will come down from GA. even TM was Muslim but was not having enough info and posted the info found from google. i posted the correct info considering it my duty as a mulism. if i wanted to show off people that i have much knowledge i may be doing it before too but i was hiding it initially as i didn't know what type of people i may find here. and after joining when i was thinking what i m doing here as i can't discuss shows and actors all the time, i found a reason to stay here. i started making islamic posts after research providing the correct islamic info to people regarding islamic occasions with reference of Quran o hadith so i m still here.

4th, i totally agree that wikipedia is not an islamic source to verify, i just said that even Wikipedia is telling that officially people started celebrating this occasion in 12th century. i didn't say that its an islamic source but the books i quoted above, are the islamic books and Albidaya wal nahaya was written by Imam Ibn e Kathir whose tafsir is considered as most authentic tafsir in Islmic world as its the to Tafsir bil-Masaur. Al-Rahiq-ul-Makthtoom got the best award for best seerah writing in all over the world, i have this book in my personal collection too.

5th, for the verbal confirmation, please check the following link if you can check youtube, i have posted the videos last year after searching, the statement of Dr. Israr Ahamed (A Hanfi/Sunni Scholar) and Dr Zaki Naik's statement for this part not being the part of Isalm. (i can't open youtube now but i have posted these videos last year, if you open it you can please check them on this page or if you are in pakistan you can wait for the youtube to be open to verify the statement)

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2763547

6th,
I understand your concern as its hard to believe or act if some thing clashes with what v believe n it happened with me. i have been celebrating this day with the so much enthusiasm, might be more than you but i have stopped doing so before a few years after my research when i wished one of my foreigner muslim friend and she asked it what is this? we don't celebrate back in home, i was wondering why not than i researched on that and find out the truth. now what i do is that if i find some thing in Quran o sunah i follow, if not than i reject it as part of islam. still i challenge, i some one can show me a hadith from Bukhari or Muslim for celebrating it and can prove that there is no contradiction for the date of birth as 12th Rabi ul Awal, i will start celebrating it again (i m more than 100000 % sure no one can do it)

7th, i still didn't force any one to stop celebrating it, i have just conveyed the message, you wanna celebrate, you are welcome, i just conveyed the message. i also don't like useless and endless discussions, that's y i wrote in advance
the same thing in my previous post. i m so much sleepy and less active on forum now a days, i m off to sleep if you or some one else reply again, i may not be able to reply.

Jazakallah fr replyng. I really respect that yu have done an MA in Islamic Studies. But the people who discuss aqeedah in this much detail are the people who have spent their childhood and most of their adulthood studying the Quran and Sunnah in detail and are basing their understanding on the fiqh of the 4 imaams.

Im sure you will know all this,,,but To give rulings in islam you must 1. Learn arabic in the classical form, it is haraam to draw on 'translations', 2) study kalamallah …because one word in the Quran may be interpreted in several ways. And even then we would still not fully grasp the meaning except those on whom Allah swt has granted that knowledge. 3) You need to understand, and be able to fully implement, all the criteria relating to reaching a ruling. And then don't forget to reach that ruling, you also need to have developed a full understanding of hadith.

In the process of doing all this learning you need to be fulfilling your fard. You mentioned Dr Zakir Naik, with much respect to the speaker…to my knowledge he does not follow any of the four imaams of the ahle sunnah wal jamah. So where is his knowledge derived from, and which scholars has is he sat in the company of learned from…? What was the chain of knowledge that was transferred person to person. Basically from where is he making these rulings?

Look at the blessed sahaba. There were 124,000 sahaba…but only 150 of the sahaba gave rulings about specific things. Why? Because of the complexity f the Quran and Hadith. There reverence for the deen prevented them making rulings with being entirely 100% positive. Bear in mind sahaba, Taabin, and Taba Taabin were from the first three generations blessed by the prophet SAW. The Imaams were from the Taba Taabin. Bear in mind also, the hadith of the prophet which narrates the first generations will be the best of generations. The last generations will be amongst the worst, we are amongst the last generations. How many people in this worst generation are in a real position to make rulings. I am saying this to highlight I full well understand that this generation is not in a position to interpret and create a new 'school of thought.' We just do not have that knowledge.

Relating to innovation. Let me provide you with examples of innovation. The quran was revealed in many parts, in a completely different order to what it is. Was it compiled in the book form it is today during the time of Prophet SAW? No, it was compiled this way after. Why? Because it made it much easier to learn from and transmit in this format, in a single book with longest chapters at the beginning.

In text form, was the Quran revealed with the punctuation in which we see it today (the dhammah, kasrah, fatah)? No. but these were added after to make it easier to transmit and read, it made the book more accessible. There are many examples like this where innovation can be a force for good. There are also many examples where the Prophet SAW observed certain things,, that were seen as in fact positive and could be used as a force for good. The Prophet saw was open minded. The people of the Prophets time did not NEED to celebrate the mawlid because they were so close to them. Lived with them, met there companions, lived there teachings.

Today we are so far away from the teachings of al- islam and the Prophet saw, we need to commemorate the day he was born. This is Allah's SWT most beloved being, the day Allah's most beloved was sent as gift for us…our lowly selves. This is we why mark this special day,, how can this day NOT be SPECIAL?? We cannot love Allah swt if we do not love his most beloved, and there is nothing to prove that you cannot show your love by marking the prophets birthday. For the technicalities of the date, again I would say consult the scholars I have mentioned.

The books of Ibn Kathir re great but to my knowledge there is nothing in tafseer that tells people not to celebrate the birth day of the prophet.

Can I also say, in another post you mentioned saudi arabia as an example of a copuntry that does not celebrate mawlid. The rulers of saudi became wahabi when that movement came to power. Thier aqeedah differs very much to the rest of the arab world, apart from odd couple of shia states. Now the saudi royals, while they oppressively rule the country with their so called islamic 'shariah' engage in drinking, gambling and other acts which are blatantly prohibited by islam. They answer only to america and israel. How can you use them as an example. They undermine the role of the Prophet SAW and keep to themselves a vast amount of wealth. So much wealth that would feed the starving muslim world,,, if they cared. Anyway Allah swt knows best.

Anyway, as I said before I don't think its good to post these things on here and spread divisions, the topic poster was also hurt.. and all she did was show her love for the Prophet saw.. Also these posts are not good for dawah purposes. How does it look if the muslims show disunity. Private message me and we can discuss this more. I will only respond to that now.

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Posted: 12 years ago
First of all there are only 2 Eids in Islam and I dont see why we should even have an argument on this (making stuff up can have severe consequences!!) Secondly we dont know the exact birth date of out beloved Prophet. Thirdly the Apostle of Allah can be sincerely loved and venerated by FOLLOWING HIS SUNNAH and extensive worshipping of Allah. We can at-most make dua to Allah to send peace and blessings on our prophet. Lastly 97% of the Muslims dont 'celebrate' this day by rejoicing or anything (*come on we dont even know the exact date!!).
Hukshila wasnt trying to offend anybody or anything but was just pointing out the truth. I hope nobody has any problem with being informed of the truth. She dint force anybody or anything that 'U CANT CELEBRATE'. She has an MA in Islamic Studies Mashallah so we should respect her views and that of ppl like Zakir Naik and Israr Ahmed. And Zina dude.It is wrong to say Eid Mubarak..if you dont agree FINE. NOBODY IS FORCING OR INSULTING YOU!
Remember you can show your happiness about the so-called birthday by FOLLOWING THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET!!SINCE NONE OF THE COMPANIONS EVER SAID 'EID MUBARAK' ON THIS DAY, WHY SHOULD WE INVENT STUFF (Aaouthoobillah!!)??? Accepting ones mistake is part of following the sunnah too. PEACE OUT.
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Posted: 12 years ago
The prophet and the companions may have fasted on that day. Note fasting means worshipping Allah. Fasting isnt any 'celebration'. Also fasting is haraam on the 2 Eids. So how is the 12th an Eid of any sort?
No companions ever said 'Eid Mubarak' on this day. If we start doing so, wdnt that be inventing new customs?

Edited by s_anika - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
THANKS FOR THIS PRECIOUS INFORMATION AND BEAUTIFUL POST MAI YAHI SOCH RAHI THI KAY AAP NAY IS BAR 12 RABIUL AWAL KI POST PM NAHI KI BUT SCRAP AA HI GAYA I AM GLAD ALLAH KI KHAS REHMAT HO GI AAP PAR BHOT ACHA KAAM KAR RAHIO HAI AAP ALLAH PAK AAP KO ISKA AAJAR DE AUR HUM SAB KO NAMAZI AUR NAKE BANYE
AMEEN
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Posted: 12 years ago
As a Muslim i don't know about that but now i knew from this...thank u soo much
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Posted: 12 years ago
NOTE!!
please it's my request to all, not to post anything here, i am going to ask the mods to close the the topic i don't want to bash with anyone neither i want to hurt anyone, everyone has different beliefs, let them have we can have our own, if we, are wrong we will get to know it by Allah!! its better if we finish this discussion here!!
PLEASE!!
i am the post maker, i made it with the purest of my heart, it was not made to hurt anyone or to mislead anyone, i am really sorry for the inconvenience!!
that's all what i can say! i had no personal intentions with it!!
Thanks and Regards,
Zainab!!

Edited by -Zina- - 12 years ago

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