How Krishna Mocked The Caste System - Page 2

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Shrishti

Devyani had 3 sons, and Sharmishta 2. Note that Sharmishtha herself was an asura princess, so not exactly a kshatrani.

Anyway, Devayani's 3 sons were the forebears of the Yadus, Druhyus & Bhojas. Under normal circumstances, they'd have been considered sutas, being from a pratiloma marriage (wife higher caste than hubby), but Shukracharya decreed that that would not be the case here, and that Yayati/Devayani would be an exception.

Why just look @ Yadu? Even the Bhojas would have been Sutas, had Shukracharya not intervened: Shalya of Madra (and therefore Madri as well), Kuntibhoj (and therefore Kunti), Shurasena (and therefore not just Vasudev, but also his 4 sisters who were mothers of Sishupala, Dantavatra, Vinda & Anuvinda) would all have been Sutas under that definition. Both Kunti & Madri would have been Suta wives of Pandu, and just like Vidura, despite being recognized as a son of Vichitravirya, couldn't sit on the Hastinapur throne since his mom was a suta woman, the same would have been true of all the 5 Pandavas 😆 had Shukracharya not intervened in that manner.

So no, Krishna wasn't a suta, and only his enemies, such as Jarasandha, Sishupala, Rukmi, Paundrak, et al disdained him not as a suta, but as a cowherd (due to his Nanda/Yashoda upbringing). In fact, Duryodhan too respected him until he was downed by Bhima, and then he spewed all his resentment against Krishna. His cheerfully being Arjun's charioteer had nothing to do w/ his caste. Remember, after Kansa's death, he was offered the throne of Mathura, but declined in favor of Ugrasena. Had Krishna been a suta, all those princesses - Rukmini, Mitravindya, Satya and Lakshmanaa - wouldn't have been allowed to marry him.

meaning someone of higher authority could decree that if that person was not to b considered lower caste he would not b.interesting! shukracharya has always fascinated me 😊

on a side note wasnot karna despite being a soota allowed to take part of lakshana swayanvar

Yikes... Was trying to avoid mentioning the other 'K' guy here 😆

Yeah, as per SB, he was, and both he & Arjun came up wanting.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Confusion!

How Duryodhan and Kaurav are kshatriya???

Vichitravirya was the son of kshatriya father and sudra mother. Then acc to cast tradition he is Ugra.

Dhristrastra and Pandu were born from Ugra father and kshatriya mother are of some inter-mixture cast.

If we take Dhristrastra and Pandu were sons of Sage vyas then they become Nishada (since Sage Vyas is also son of Brahmin father and sudra mother).

My question is how Kaurav are Kshatriya???

Chitrangada & Vichu were very much Kshatriyas; however, like Vidura, they wouldn't have been eligible to sit on the Hastinapur throne since Satyavati was of a lower caste. However, since her father gave her only on condition that her sons become king and not Devarath, they got to be recognized as full Kshatriyas. (Although it was hypocritic then not to let Vidura at least succeed Pandu as king of Hastinapur)

Dhritarashtra, Pandu & even Vidura were kshatrameja (sons born of niyoga) sons of Vichu

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Chitrangada & Vichu were very much Kshatriyas; however, like Vidura, they wouldn't have been eligible to sit on the Hastinapur throne since Satyavati was of a lower caste. However, since her father gave her only on condition that her sons become king and not Devarath, they got to be recognized as full Kshatriyas. (Although it was hypocritic then not to let Vidura at least succeed Pandu as king of Hastinapur)

Dhritarashtra, Pandu & even Vidura were kshatrameja (sons born of niyoga) sons of Vichu

Thnx

It seems like son of king are declared as Kshatriya. Even Yuyutsu is also consider as Kshatriya.

Another doubt---

I have heard Sudra can receive Veda knowledge only through a pure Brahmin. They were not allowed to touch Veda.

So where this untouchable rule come from? Is it because most of the time sudra remain unclean or unhygienic as they involved in cleaning activity ?

Originally posted by: Neutral2

Confusion!

How Duryodhan and Kaurav are kshatriya???

Vichitravirya was the son of kshatriya father and sudra mother. Then acc to cast tradition he is Ugra.

Dhristrastra and Pandu were born from Ugra father and kshatriya mother are of some inter-mixture cast.

If we take Dhristrastra and Pandu were sons of Sage vyas then they become Nishada (since Sage Vyas is also son of Brahmin father and sudra mother).

My question is how Kaurav are Kshatriya???

Originally posted by: frappie

Very well written Medha...

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

really interesting read medha! today only I asked the same question "how come krishna was not suta?" as he was descendant of yadu who was son of a brahmin mother and kshatriya father.as by the info provided regarding origin of suta caste, yadu would b a suta.

Originally posted by: Medha.S

Really? Shouldnt he be an Ugra if the mother was A Kshatriya( i.e. of higher cast) and Father a Shudra( of lower caste)

A Kshatriya Father and mother of a lower cast will mean the child is a Kshatriya

A Kshatriya father and mother of a higher caste(Brahmin) will not be a Kshatriya but as suta.

Am i missing something?

According to Manu smrithi
You are right in saying A Kshatriya father and mother of a higher caste(Brahmin) will be a Suta. But A Kshatriya Father and mother of a lower cast (Say 4th Varna- Sudra) would be called an Ugra. Beacuse of the mother's lower cast they are faulted, otherwise they are considered as father's

Well written Medha... Nice read. If we really look at it by birth, NONE of them actually could be the successor to the throne after Santanu. Duryodhana often (even in StarB) said that because the Pandavas were demigods, they did not carry the Kuru blood and thus, could not succeed to the throne. But he himself is not eligible then.

@ Medha_s

Here is the link of cast system

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mahabharat/3932617/caste-system-of-vedic-india