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Posted: 11 years ago
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As we all know that gandhaari was a great devotee of lord shiva... and he gave her a boon of 100 children to her...
and also we cant ignore the fact that Lord shiva is a destroyer for start of new beginnings...
and similarly it said about lord krishna's child... who was a reason for dstruction of yadav clan... it is said that krishna wanted a son exactly like shiva.. and and lord shivs's gave him samba.. who was also one of the reasons behind krishna's death
so in a similar way can it be said philosophically.. that shiva gave boon to both gandhaari and krishna for destruction and start of new era...
so what do you guys think about this lord shiva's philosophy???


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Posted: 11 years ago
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rubbish...shiva end bad evil...doesn't mean he comes and everything ends...when shiva gave gandhari 100 sons she cud have given them ood principles and made hastinapur gr8 but no she let her lunatic bro influence her kids pampered them ignored their bad/shit behaviour so much so they stooped to the level of trying to disrobe a woman , if they cud maybe they wud have even attempted raping her had it not been for krishna saving the honour.
its not shiva's fault to have given her 100 sons but her own fault for having raised hyenas.

as for krishna he was cursed by gandhari and he knew the end was sure so he asked his best friend lord shiva to have a son like him through whom the end would come. how is that shiva's fault

if we have to think of boons given by shiva then y not bhagirath who brought ganga to earth to cleanse the evil and bring purity.

shiva gives what we ask. after we get the boon whether we turn it into a bane or not is our thing not shiva's.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shinningstar

rubbish...shiva end bad evil...doesn't mean he comes and everything ends...when shiva gave gandhari 100 sons she cud have given them ood principles and made hastinapur gr8 but no she let her lunatic bro influence her kids pampered them ignored their bad/shit behaviour so much so they stooped to the level of trying to disrobe a woman , if they cud maybe they wud have even attempted raping her had it not been for krishna saving the honour.

its not shiva's fault to have given her 100 sons but her own fault for having raised hyenas.

as for krishna he was cursed by gandhari and he knew the end was sure so he asked his best friend lord shiva to have a son like him through whom the end would come. how is that shiva's fault

if we have to think of boons given by shiva then y not bhagirath who brought ganga to earth to cleanse the evil and bring purity.

shiva gives what we ask. after we get the boon whether we turn it into a bane or not is our thing not shiva's.




hey .. its not that i have offended lord shiva... i too am a devotee of krishna... but shastras say bhramha is the creater... vishnu the interpreter .. and then shiva the destroyer...
like a life cycle... one takes birth.. then lives and then goes... and shiva is the one to give moksha.. which is the ultimate achievement and for which we humans take so many births...
and i was only asking phlosophically...
shiva give boons... but ultimately it becomes one of the things for destruction and start of something new...
you can take history ... in ramayana too.. the boons given to raavana.. leads to destruction... but ultimately he too achieves the moksha...
in mahabharat too... though kauravs cause all the destruction and were the cause or instruments in kurkshetra war.. but they did caused destruction and it is written in shashtras that they too achieved moksha!!!
i am just saying its all god everywhere.. and all the things he does means something...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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the thing is ...shiva is the most bhola and can be easily pleased...hence all the evil ones go to him to get their boons...they know that vishnu is smart and will give them boons with super loopholes, or not give it to the wrong ones more like strict parent, where shiva is the sweet parent who gives in to his child's love tantrums.
but they forget shiva gives the boons but he ensure the checkmate is in place. so if we misuse it we are done.

its for that i don't think his boons initiates destruction instead evil thinks they are safe and misuse the boon and that leads to their end, and i guess thats logical.

as for him being called a destructor is not because he destroys everything more of like he destroys the ego anger,jealousy etc in a human, makes them more spiritual, makes them detached with maya and gives them the ultimate gift of merging with the supreme ( which is the actual goal of every soul in this world).

but most souls get lost in the beauty of earth and don't want detachment for them to take care of their needs on this earth is vishnu the provider who gives u the gifts of wealth family health etc who like a strict parent gives u everything but when u misuse or go out of line u are given the punishment.

what i feel is happening so far in all mythology is ppl go to the innocent parent get their boons and then instead of using it correctly they misuse it thinking oh i already have that one in my pocket. but then the strict parent comes into picture to take control, set the naughty/bad kid in line.

bottom line it would be very very wrong to say shiva being the destroyer is the reason for all the wars etc.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ashwathama was also begotten after boon from shiva, he is an amsh of rudra. And he made sure eveey single one of paneava progenies die and all women become barren.
But didn't krishna pray to shiva for Pradyunma who is reincarnated Kama deva, as shivw destroyed him?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thts wat i don't understand...after getting boons from shiva...do these ppl go nuts or something...y misuse it. Ashwathama was not an ansh of shiva ...he was a boon tht drona got as a son. doesn't make him ansh .
while we at the topic of ansh ...what i don't understand is evensome of the anshs of shiva like jalandhar (tulsi's husband), andhak who were the the ansh of shiva too misused the powers man...really shows tht power is a dangerous thing ppl go crazy, blind and out of control with it leading to their own destruction
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Posted: 11 years ago
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our shiva is so innocent and free from prejudice! though I am not much knowledgable person abt mythology but he granted wish without any partiality. he saw good in everyone. while vishnu is a tricky god(and really clever) .I don't remember him giving boons. that's why I find his krishna avatar more closer to his divine personality. one thing I really admire abt both gods is the mutual respect they have for each other. btw I don't know but I find that it was always vishnu avatar who incarnated to lessen earth burden mostly but then why shiva is called destroyer?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gupta.aditi20


hey .. its not that i have offended lord shiva... i too am a devotee of krishna... but shastras say bhramha is the creater... vishnu the interpreter .. and then shiva the destroyer...
like a life cycle... one takes birth.. then lives and then goes... and shiva is the one to give moksha.. which is the ultimate achievement and for which we humans take so many births...
and i was only asking phlosophically...
shiva give boons... but ultimately it becomes one of the things for destruction and start of something new...
you can take history ... in ramayana too.. the boons given to raavana.. leads to destruction... but ultimately he too achieves the moksha...
in mahabharat too... though kauravs cause all the destruction and were the cause or instruments in kurkshetra war.. but they did caused destruction and it is written in shashtras that they too achieved moksha!!!
i am just saying its all god everywhere.. and all the things he does means something...


Moksh means never take birth again. Ravan didn't get moksha. He take birth as Dantavkra in dwapar yug killed by lord krishna. He was one of resident of narayan lok in his past life. Due to the curse he take birth as demon in the earth three times and decided to be killed by their lord narayan.

Duryodhan and all kaurav didn't get moksh. Duryodhan was a demon residing in netherland/patallok in his past life. Due to the boon from shiva he get chance to take birth in human form so that all the demon can enter and rule over the earth. May be he go back to hell again.
Even bhism didn't get moksha. He was permennant residence of heaven in his past life and may be go to heaven for life time. I dont know about pandav.
Moksha means reunited with the god.
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Originally posted by: shinningstar

thts wat i don't understand...after getting boons from shiva...do these ppl go nuts or something...y misuse it. Ashwathama was not an ansh of shiva ...he was a boon tht drona got as a son. doesn't make him ansh .

while we at the topic of ansh ...what i don't understand is evensome of the anshs of shiva like jalandhar (tulsi's husband), andhak who were the the ansh of shiva too misused the powers man...really shows tht power is a dangerous thing ppl go crazy, blind and out of control with it leading to their own destruction


KMG MB says ashwi is considered a form of rudra.
even balram is considered at times a part of Shiva that came down to live with vishnu and enjoy the leela. Thats why balram is bhola, unattached, impartial.

Anyway, getting a boon is a big deal, unless one is selfless and has no ego the boons always end up being their bane, even good people gets egoistic and misuse boons, and thats the loophole that is used to destroy them then.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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for me ansh is incarnation of shiva...because only an incarnation of the lord is a as pure as the lord...anything else has impurity mixed hence the problems-like andhak ,jalandhar ,ashwathama etc for me these are not ansh as they had demonic qualities though they arose from shiva or his boon.

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