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Neferet

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

yes he's being shown a lil possesive..but if we talk bout madhu too..if she loves RK,she must trust him..and if she loves him,she also probably knows him best.

but no,she takes wateva he says at face value,not trying to find the real thing,not trying to analyse anythng...

if u tell her u hate her,but ur actions show that u love her..she'll still blive tht u hate her!😲

if she knows him best,atleast show her character to understand these things!

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leelaa9

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Posted: 12 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: cardio21
I may think differently but i didn't see any positive development in RK's love story.. today he accepted that Madhu belongs to him showing his possessive streak!! But he didnt accept his love for her..
He is still far away from redemption.. Especially his asking Madhu's image about the extent of her relationship with Sultan!! Really psycho!! what is love without trust..?? 😡

I didn't see any remorse in his eyes. Not even love for her, which we witnessed at times despite his denial.. he has his feelings seriously misplaced. in fact he was bragging that he has sole copyrights to act like a jerk because of the K in his name.. This madness is not very flattering..

I dont think this possessive rage is gonna take him anywhere!! It's not love!! Not the love, Madhu n we all fell for.. It's kinda perverted!!

Even though, this ain't the sweetest love story, I m willing to see any track of RK/Madhu with no true third angles, rather than a forcible track with annoying eyelocks/water sprays between Madhu n Sultan!! Provided we are promised tat RK will mend his ways sooner or later..😊

I didn't care about the first half, because my favorite Madhu has been missing for a while.. Here we see a girl who doesn't care about her self-respect anymore!! Doesn't mind her name to be associated with a hooligan. She doesn't care about a man who was hung upside down and was threatened with his life. Sorry Madhu!! But your compassion is quite selective.. Weird!! 😡

With all honesty, I love Aryan too, but Madhu is turning into a nutcase in Aryan's love. And its getting on my last nerves!! Aryan is her junoon now!! 😕

Sultan's behavior is understandable as he is a father.. So didnt mind giving out some clues about himself and his hideout!! But really that makes him a super weak Don! I wonder how he survived as a gangster all these years!!😕

But thanks to the CVs at least they gave me my show back even if it was for 10 mins!! So the entire week only 10 mins were worth watching for me!! And not because RK was back but RK n Madhu we're back.. And no forcible eyelocks!! 😊

Regarding precap!! It's gonna be harmless, but may be a sign for Madhu to grow out a brain and think about the consequences of her actions.. Please don't mind, but Madhu's self-righteousness is amalgamated with selfishness in this case. I can't believe a girl landing her family into such a big trouble.. Go woman, adopt a child but spare the poor Chawl people!!

I had no intentions to offend anyone, just my rant on the characters shaping up.. And definitely not bad mouthing the creatives. I m sure this is gonna be interesting, just don't drag it!!

Ps: time for a new entry!! both RK n Madhu need Dr Mathur! 😆Rk for his Madhumania! N Madhu with her Aryanmania! Truly made for each other!!

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Charu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: ennishet
@cardio I said the same in the ED thread - RK's character hasn't changed much - he is still the self centered person with the only difference being he has realized what Madhu means to him and her importance in his life.

You don't break a rock at one go, you chip it slowly and steadily and have it assume the form you want. With RK, it will be a similar process and a long one. Those expecting a fast-paced redemption track are in for a reality check as that won't happen. RK-Madhu still have a long road to travel before things can go back to normal.

You mentioned RK's trust issues. you're right. He's confused about Madhu's thought processes and doesn't know whether she still loves him or has moved on. But the positive thing is he has realized what he wants now - so from denial ( I don't care what she does) to now acceptance (she means a lot to me) is some improvement. Further, this being RK we will not get the usual mushy love declarations, it will be different as it usually is in MBverse. There will come a day when RK will leave Madhu just to show the intensity of his love - that he can forsake her and will allow her to choose her own path.

For the present ...I'm more worried about how Madhu will behave when RK starts the obsessive/jealous behavior ... and in turn its effect on RK. It's going to turn really nasty - what we have seen so far was nothing, get ready for some really BAD times ahead. I think there will come a time when Madhu will ask RK to leave her alone and he will do that. I can visualize the scenes here at the forum - the anti-Madhu tirade, though she is justified in doing whatever she wishes.

very nice discussion 👏

@ennishet, was he in denial? was it acceptance? how does it matter bec. he's only talking to himself 😆 didn't he admit his feelings for Madhu a lot of times before? when he was drunk (it was for us viewers to see) , when he was dreaming about the green eyed man harming Madhu, when he called Madhu his biwi just before leaving for US...only once when he was drunk did he admit that he wants Madhu back in his life..that may be his subconscious mind...in a conscious state, he's far from admitting that he loves Madhu ...aisa kuch toofani nahi hoga when it happens 😆 he has always been insecure about his relationships and love...He will always be aggressive while dealing with his insecurities..IMO his notion of love is unhealthy which scares me...he wants total possession and complete control over that person...he cud never share Radha with anyone till date...imagine, when he says that nobody from the 125 crore people can even look at Madhu xcept him, how will he accept her as a heroine ??? therez a fine line b/w obsession and passion..n with RK's it's always obsession..junoon..madness...whether it's love or hate...anyhow this is not a problem which is incurable...at one point of time, Madhu was all set to cure his insecurity and was confident that she cud do it 😆 restore his faith in love...lets wait n watch..it's getting more n more interesting

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cardio21

@cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: mihikamahakal
yes he's being shown a lil possesive..but if we talk bout madhu too..if she loves RK,she must trust him..and if she loves him,she also probably knows him best.
</div><div>but no,she takes wateva he says at face value,not trying to find the real thing,not trying to analyse anythng...
if u tell her u hate her,but ur actions show that u love her..she'll still blive tht u hate her!😲

if she knows him best,atleast show her character to understand these things!

No offense! But at this point, Madhu doesn't need to put in a single cent of effort in this relationship. I think she did her share already! RK is the one who destroyed their paradise and her trust.
Why is a woman expected to understand even if she is the wronged one?

The way he treated her is beyond disgusting.and don't even get me started on the endless humiliations he inflicts on her. Why should she analyze his behavior? And of course she knows RK too well!! In case she confronts him, he would unleash his foul mouth without any hesitation.

She can't stop loving him, but doesn't need to show it to him. She needs to sit back and watch him pine, grovel and suffer. She got her share, now it's his turn.
I believe that there shouldn't be any ego in love. But RK needs to learn how to treat a woman.

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ennishet

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Posted: 12 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: _charu_
very nice discussion 👏

@ennishet, was he in denial? was it acceptance? how does it matter bec. he's only talking to himself 😆 didn't he admit his feelings for Madhu a lot of times before? when he was drunk (it was for us viewers to see) , when he was dreaming about the green eyed man harming Madhu, when he called Madhu his biwi just before leaving for US...only once when he was drunk did he admit that he wants Madhu back in his life..that may be his subconscious mind...in a conscious state, he's far from admitting that he loves Madhu ...aisa kuch toofani nahi hoga when it happens 😆 he has always been insecure about his relationships and love...He will always be aggressive while dealing with his insecurities..IMO his notion of love is unhealthy which scares me...he wants total possession and complete control over that person...he cud never share Radha with anyone till date...imagine, when he says that nobody from the 125 crore people can even look at Madhu xcept him, how will he accept her as a heroine ??? therez a fine line b/w obsession and passion..n with RK's it's always obsession..junoon..madness...whether it's love or hate...anyhow this is not a problem which is incurable...at one point of time, Madhu was all set to cure his insecurity and was confident that she cud do it 😆 restore his faith in love...lets wait n watch..it's getting more n more interesting

Charu, this is first time he said something when he was sane as in not drunk or sleeping. You're right about his obsession, aggression, possessiveness and junoon... it's unhealthy. That reminds me of that bike scene ... he rides it indoors and pins that hapless police inspector against the wall 😆 for what? Poor fellow couldn't get Madhu to withdraw the accident case against him.

How will he accept her as a heroine? LOL, he will lock her up in a Swiss account kind of room where even light will enter only after getting his permission. 😆 Madhu should flee while she has time or better yet get registered at Dr. Mathur's clinic. Better get ready to see RK's junoon ... this time it's his love for Madhu. On a serious note, hopefully, RK will change by the time ( if and when) Madhu's heroine track starts.

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cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: ennishet

Charu, this is first time he said something when he was sane as in not drunk or sleeping. You're right about his obsession, aggression, possessiveness and junoon... it's unhealthy. That reminds me of that bike scene ... he rides it indoors and pins that hapless police inspector against the wall 😆 for what? Poor fellow couldn't get Madhu to withdraw the accident case against him.

How will he accept her as a heroine? LOL, he will lock her up in a Swiss account kind of room where even light will enter only after getting his permission. 😆 Madhu should flee while she has time or better yet get registered at Dr. Mathur's clinic. Better get ready to see RK's junoon ... this time it's his love for Madhu. On a serious note, hopefully, RK will change by the time ( if and when) Madhu's heroine track starts.

Sorry to butt in the conversation. But RK had always been protective of Madhu. But do u think he would have acted all psycho if things were different? I mean didn't mind proximity between Madhu n Bittuji!
But what he saw was Madhu driving in with a random stranger in wee hours of morning and then evaded his questions (not that he she owed him any explanations, but RK doesn't seem to realize this) and then next thing he saw was sultan holding her waist and Madhu walking away without any objection(which might be unusual for her). I think it something like this happened in their happier days, and Madhu would have told him everything he wouldn't have made a big deal about it.

I am not raising any doubts about his obsessiveness, possessiveness and aggression because he is basically an insecure person. But the distance he created between them is a big confounding factor in his madness.

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simran_singh_24

@simran_singh_24

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: cardio21
I may think differently but i didn't see any positive development in RK's love story.. today he accepted that Madhu belongs to him showing his possessive streak!! But he didnt accept his love for her..
He is still far away from redemption.. Especially his asking Madhu's image about the extent of her relationship with Sultan!! Really psycho!! what is love without trust..?? 😡

I didn't see any remorse in his eyes. Not even love for her, which we witnessed at times despite his denial.. he has his feelings seriously misplaced. in fact he was bragging that he has sole copyrights to act like a jerk because of the K in his name.. This madness is not very flattering..

I dont think this possessive rage is gonna take him anywhere!! It's not love!! Not the love, Madhu n we all fell for.. It's kinda perverted!!

Even though, this ain't the sweetest love story, I m willing to see any track of RK/Madhu with no true third angles, rather than a forcible track with annoying eyelocks/water sprays between Madhu n Sultan!! Provided we are promised tat RK will mend his ways sooner or later..😊

I didn't care about the first half, because my favorite Madhu has been missing for a while.. Here we see a girl who doesn't care about her self-respect anymore!! Doesn't mind her name to be associated with a hooligan. She doesn't care about a man who was hung upside down and was threatened with his life. Sorry Madhu!! But your compassion is quite selective.. Weird!! 😡

With all honesty, I love Aryan too, but Madhu is turning into a nutcase in Aryan's love. And its getting on my last nerves!! Aryan is her junoon now!! 😕

Sultan's behavior is understandable as he is a father.. So didnt mind giving out some clues about himself and his hideout!! But really that makes him a super weak Don! I wonder how he survived as a gangster all these years!!😕

But thanks to the CVs at least they gave me my show back even if it was for 10 mins!! So the entire week only 10 mins were worth watching for me!! And not because RK was back but RK n Madhu we're back.. And no forcible eyelocks!! 😊

Regarding precap!! It's gonna be harmless, but may be a sign for Madhu to grow out a brain and think about the consequences of her actions.. Please don't mind, but Madhu's self-righteousness is amalgamated with selfishness in this case. I can't believe a girl landing her family into such a big trouble.. Go woman, adopt a child but spare the poor Chawl people!!

I had no intentions to offend anyone, just my rant on the characters shaping up.. And definitely not bad mouthing the creatives. I m sure this is gonna be interesting, just don't drag it!!

Ps: time for a new entry!! both RK n Madhu need Dr Mathur! 😆Rk for his Madhumania! N Madhu with her Aryanmania! Truly made for each other!!

@Cardio- Great post.
Agree that RK's redemption is a long way ahead, he hasn't even taken the first step yet. As they say the longest journey a person makes his one from his head to his heart.

For RK it has all been mind games in his head, his scheming to get Madhu to withdraw the case and then bind her to him forcefully and then his "prem game". Ironically ,his current torturous state of mind is also a figment of his imagination as there is no Sul/Bhai Bala yet.

And, the heart is the place where you have feelings-jealously,love,fear,anger and I think, RK will have to go through the whole lot of emotions, which he never cared to experience before, realizing the extent of damage he has inflicted on Madhu emotionally. He can't feel for others what he can't feel for himself.

I think, while going through his own emotional upheavals, he'll continue to act arrogantly, possessively, driven by his ego and once he has processed all that in his heart, he will feel his love for Madhu.

Coming to RK treating Madhu as his property, I used to think, before the revenge twist, that he was happy with Madhu, because he had bought her for 40 laksh and she can't do a Dips and leave him. Post twist, there is no clarity on that concept 😆.IMO, the big lie Madhu was asking was the one he told himself, that there was no love and it was all revenge. I'm beginning to confuse myself here, but will continue nevertheless.

A thing you buy will stays with you, unless it gets broken or you throw it away and RK pretty much did the same with Madhu. Unfortunately for him, he has become attached to the toy, he threw and thought he has broken. I think, he'll try to get Madhu on the same terms, while he is struggling with his heart .

I don't think RK's ego is something that needs to be destroyed or smashed.Will try to explain before people start calling me names here😆 RK had to develop that ego to protect himself from his less than loving step-family and a Mom, who thought moved on too fast after, the father he idolised killed himself and he needed it to survive and thrive in a treacherous industry.He still needs it as those conditions that gave birth to his mammoth ego still exist and they are not gonna change anytime soon. Do I see the Bhatias changing into selfless loving beings anytime soon?No. Or is the film industry gonna change it's mercenary ways?No. He needs his head and his ego to deal with them.

He only has to open his heart to Madhu and accept that she has made a place for herself in there, inspite of him. IMO, his ego is what makes RK the interesting person he is and he should keep it. He should just let the walls around his heart fall.

Coming to AriyaBala, I like that child and bless that boy, he made most of last week bearable.

IMO, Madhu is not protective about Aryan because he is a special child with a don dad, who is harsh on him. I think, Madhu sees herself, or her 'inner child" to be precise in Aryan. She found him, when she was still raw and hurting and confused and Aryan, apparently helpless and seemingly wounded was herself.She was not going to let another adult like RK to hurt Aryan, only Sultan the Dad is the RK in Aryan's case. And that's why she starts her battle with Sultan immediately.Not giving him the advantage she gave Rk by trusting him.

I think, the Sultan- Aryabala relation can develop into something like Shammu-Padmini-Madhu, triangle, where Shammu was the father to Madhu w.o being her Mom's husband, till recently. If the Cvs keep it within the boundaries of the dignity they showed in Shammu-Pad's case it'll be interesting. And, RK knowing Madhu's history can get scared or relaxed.

Edited by simran_singh_24 - 12 years ago

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Charu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: cardio21

Sorry to butt in the conversation. But RK had always been protective of Madhu. But do u think he would have acted all psycho if things were different? I mean didn't mind proximity between Madhu n Bittuji!
But what he saw was Madhu driving in with a random stranger in wee hours of morning and then evaded his questions (not that he she owed him any explanations, but RK doesn't seem to realize this) and then next thing he saw was sultan holding her waist and Madhu walking away without any objection(which might be unusual for her). I think it something like this happened in their happier days, and Madhu would have told him everything he wouldn't have made a big deal about it.

I am not raising any doubts about his obsessiveness, possessiveness and aggression because he is basically an insecure person. But the distance he created between them is a big confounding factor in his madness.

I asked the same question once 😆 but we cannot speculate on it...what i was trying to say was ke it's not going to be a rosy picture for both of them even after RK's realization and redemption, given their character flaws...MAY BE..bec. at the end of the day, he's only a character...

therez a reason behind his madness...of course the plot was clunk..ekdum se he jumped to the conclusion that Madhu is in love with that green eyed man...it all started that night when he saw Sultan dropping Madhu and Madhu straightaway said "naya aadmi in my life, naya pyar?" ...he knows a girl like Madhu will never lie , woh bhi about this big thing...she never clarified when he asked her again and again (of course she didn't have to) but then it gave him a reason to feel insecure bec. he started doubting her love...he never loved her or loved her, i dun know but she claimed to love him and treated him as her God toh howcome she could fall in love with some other person so easily n move on forgetting RK ? this very thought is haunting him ...of course, HE was the reason that she could move on so easily coz he made him worthless in her eyes but acc. to him Madhu is not RK toh howcome she cud do what he did?? again, is he not worth loving at all ? (i'm not saying this, he might be thinking).. it's a deep rooted problem ...betrayal in love, low self esteem , insecurity , aggressive behavior..kind of chain reaction..toh his reaction is not out of the line...he has always reacted that way...a normal person wud have realized that if hes getting so jealous and reacting adversely that means he's in love..agar koi saamne hota toh he wud have shaken him up n said "arre dumbo you are in love" 😆 but it's not about his love or no love, he's not even thinking about it..he's thinking about Madhu only

also, what he thinks and what he does are two very different things...he's crumbling from inside but he puts a facade for this world..he did it before...i'm more concerned with what he does..these scenes which came on sat. will only explain his past or present behavior to an extent..we badly needed an insight into his thought process and i'm glad CV's gave us that...now we need a similar scene for Madhu..the drunk scene told us "this is what both of them want. eventually"..the scene yest. gave us an indication that this is WHY he's doing what he did or what he will do now...and now what he does is yet to be seen...

Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago

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Charu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: ennishet
Better get ready to see RK's junoon ... this time it's his love for Madhu. On a serious note, hopefully, RK will change by the time ( if and when) Madhu's heroine track starts.

yes 😆 he will change only when he's safe and secure in his relationship with Madhu..far fetched dream..but it's not that it's impossible..but the basic personality traits will stay...can we or can we not hope for Rishbala then? i guess Madhu will manage to neutralize his craziness with hers 😃

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cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: _charu_

yes😆he will change only when he's safe and secure in his relationship with Madhu..far fetched dream..but it's not that it's impossible..but the basic personality traits will stay...can we or can we not hope for Rishbala then? i guess Madhu will manage to neutralize his craziness with hers😃

Yup!! It will be a bumpy ride for them and us who are obsessed with the show. And knowing that Madhu hates showbiz, I am not too keen on the heroine track! Poor girl needs a break! I feel sorry for people who are stuck in the professions they dislike. Gotta love ur work !! And anyways Both of them with their craziness are capable of having enough drama in their lives.

And RK despite his trust issues and insecurities will trust learn to trust Madhu once they are back together. Actually he trusted her already, that's why he was confident that she won't be able to move on(which we know is true). But from RK's perspective, she does seen to be getting close to a new guy. This is the prime reason for this madness as somewhere I feel in his mind he feels cheated. I know it's the other way round, but then this is RK for us.
Not once is he shown to think about his misdoings, rather he claims it all because of a K in his name.

He accepts that what he did was wrong but does not think that he was wrong.. My statement sounds confusing, right?

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