Episode 190 Discussion: 8th Feb 2013 - Page 12

Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

7 more hours till heart break and ache.
i can use a group hug everyone 🤗

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Agreed, he seemed ill at ease, almost resigned and dreading something if I did not know any better. but every time he looks at her (regardless of she is looking at him or not), there is only love and care in his eyes. It makes me wonder if his unease is related to something else other than his marriage. Something that has the potential to create problems in his life or defame him or take Madhu away from him.

I found several interesting things-the ceremony and day to leave was decided impromptu. Initially RK wanted to spend this day with his in-laws and family until Madhu reminded him that Shamoo and Trishna were headed for outdoor shoot. In today's episode RK refers himself as stone hearted person who enjoys breaking hearts (he said that in present tense not past). If he has completely reformed then it is very unusual statement. Dips seem to be freaking out oddly ...she is immensely sure that RK won't leave everything behind...what makes her so sure and what is her hold on RK. I found it odd that RK did not invite family to his remarriage - is it because he was going to break Madhu's heart or because he expected someone to create trouble there? What does remarriage have to do with his leaving?- two different things but he has always associated them. They all may or may not connect to the big picture...

What to do...I am still in denial !

Originally posted by: anastasia21

🤗 here, take one from me. I don't know what I'm more freaked out about. Todays episode or my exam tomorrow. I'm in deep deep trouble.

Originally posted by: vkk2429

@Shri

Awesome...Many questions answered by your analysis of RK👏

and Leela's analysis for the stardom track👏

I had read this particular Leela's post maybe a month back..but completely

forgot about it..

Makes a lot of sense..Wish they would bring it out this way..

But after reading both of your analysis, does that mean they will indeed finish

the seven pheras tomorrow??? A girl can hope, can't she??

Originally posted by: _charu_

my VM...sacrificed one night sleep for making it bec. its a busy day ahead for me..after a long time i was exited to make a VM..bec. this song is awesome , so was the epi. yest...i dun know why i got very senti making it , i dun want anything bad to happen to either of them, even if it's for 10 mins...my heart will sink 😭

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg9uHLcYzeA[/YOUTUBE]

hope u all like it...i've uploaded it on dailymotion also..

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxdzdd_tu-hai-rab-mera-rishbala-vm_shortfilms

n if u have vella time, plz comment on the thread n let me know if it's good..i made it in a hurry..

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3429437/new-vm-tu-hai-rab-mera

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

All

Go and read the EOD Summary

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/75734299

And this time. Do Hit Like. So that I know for a fact that you read it.

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Episode 190 Discussion - EOD Summary

Dips ki Khinchayi. Madhu ki Bidaayi, Rishbala ki Varmaala - Sampann

Events of the Episode:

Excellent Episode. ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Must watch episode. Dipali ki lagi class. Saas ne kah diya, "Madhu aur RK ki zindagi mein taan jhaank karne se achcha hoga agar woh apne aur Sikky ke baare mein soche " In english, Radha asked Dipali nit to pry into RK and Madhu's lives and worry about hers and Sikky's marriage. Madhu got a proper send-off from her mother through the Bidaayi ceremony. Padmini also gifts her piece of jewellery as "Stree Dhan" to Madhu. Very very endearing scene. Madhu reaches the venue of the marriage. RK is waiting for her. There is trepidation in the air and yet it poetic. The Fanaa song is played. Reminds us of RK and Madhu's first meeting. RK is inscrutable and Madhu is in total surrender. She touches his feet in all surrender and happiness. RK allows her to do it. Makes us remember, how at other times, he has never allowed it to happen, be it when they were in hate marriage in the vanity van when doing his maniicure-pedicure as his spot girl, or be it when during Karwachouth, Madhu wants to do it in customary completion of Karwachouth as his wife. Today when Madhu touches RK's feet, it was like Madhu was surrendering to the man forever by her choice and not as an obligation. The marriage rituals start. Varmaala ceremony is accomplished. The way RK makes it light and teasing for her, is beautiful. As Madhu does not have a Chunri on her head, RK gives her that, decks her head. So Madhu has bangles from Ajji (village), jewellery from her mother, blessings from her Maa, is in red saree gifted by RK and now the Chunri.
1. Pandit asks to get ready for phere...RK tells the Pandit, that he will not take the first 4 as they were already completed. Then Madhu steps ahead and goes in front of him to take the remaining three. RK doesn't move and Madhu is forced to stop to see RK not following her. Episode ends.

Episode Reviews

Page 1 - ritzy09, nehakariba, Charu

Page 2 - vkk2429, Athena90, Angeena, anastasia21, SD

Page 3 - Soundarya, flower2276, ritzy09, Ananya05, Soundarya

Page 4 - SD

Page 5 - dramacrazy12, vkk2429, SD, apolloartemis, dramacrazy12, SD

Page 8 - zoya_naziya

Page 9 - Ananya, SD

Page 10 - river123, SD

Page 11 - kt25

Page 13 - Savz_Uniqueblis

Page 2 - Fanaa Song - Lyrics and English translation by Soundarya

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3428715/episode-190-discussion-8th-feb-2013?pn=2

By Zoya_Naziya

The Fanaa song being played yet again sounded like a good sign only to me. It was played at the beginning of their story when they met for the first time and playing it today when it is yet again a new beginning..

by 0-SD-0
The Song Selection from Fanaa

When RK and Madhu meet the first time @Natraj Studio. When Madhu walks over the Bridge, the music from Fanaa Song is played...never the lyrics. The bridge is exactly like from Fanaa song.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLcIx6TX2xM[/YOUTUBE]

Today they played the song. So..."Is it the Climax ?"

Then: She challenged him to come out of Nakli and Banawati Duniya.

Now: Is there any answer here ?

Pictorial Commentary by Zorica

MADHU's BIDAAYI - Beti Parayee Ho Gayee

SD : Madhu got a proper send-off from her mother through the Bidaayi ceremony. Padmini also gifts her piece of jewellery as "Stree Dhan" to Madhu. Very very endearing scene.

I liked the Bidaii scene very much. Never on screen it looked so meaningful. As long as it happened, I felt warm and empowered and positive for Madhu. I felt, now nothing really bad will happen. because if loved one's blessings are with you, we are auto-protected. shielded and we will know how to bounce back.

A Bidaaii in true sense prepares a girl a lot for her journey ahead...the crying looks OTT and sometimes we feel angry at the sense of seperation, the alienation (Parayapan) induced between the girl child and her Babul...but the natal cord between mother and the girl breaks second time and it hurts. Yet everything is so ritualistic and blessing through emotional crying; its mother's way of telling her now you are all alone, just take care my child, I have empowered you, taught you the best I can.

Ritzy09: Absolutely loved the bidaii scene'it was so natural. I know few people felt it was stretched but maybe because we are in hurry to know about the twist. But I felt it very emotional and apt. A parent especially a mother always thinks about their daughter bidaii'it is a very important ritual. And throwing rice till the front gate is the main rasam. Both Padmani and Madhu are excellent actors and it was beautifully done.

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Madhu touching RK's feet

The Viewer Emotional Response summarised in Ananya's words.

Like in Northern part of India, we have 'Karvachauth' to fast and pray for your husband's well being and long life, in Marathi culture(and I beleive in Kannda and Gujrat as well.Not sure), we have 'Haritalika' and 'Vata pournima' where wives pray for husband's long life.
These are couple of occasions where I have seen my mother and aunts seeking blessings from their husband by touching their feet. I was very neutral then to this act. But as I grew up, somehow, I could not bring myself to admire this gesture. I could not support it.
But I don't know why, today, I was so overwhelmed by Madhu's act. I still can't understand why this happened to me. She is so selflessly submitting herself to him. The way she said, 'Mere liye ye mazak nahi hai'. I got very emotional during that scene.

By SD - drawing the parallels and analysing RK

I too was like why Madhu is touching his feet. Today I was asking her not to...but then I sighed. You know why ?! Because Madhu was backed up by her mother's thoughts about RK. She kind of put all that into Madhu...so Madhu is like if Maa believes him that much, whom I am not to believe.

Love is surrender. That's why women are able to do it. I was educated by my (female) cousins that it all becomes easy in bending down and touching the husband's feet because, the man and woman share a relationship in bedroom where sometimes the man kisses the woman's feet and sometimes requests or pleads to her through touching her feet. Its their love all expressed in shringaara. And that's another reason why woman adorn their feet with anklets, alta etc so beautifully from ancient times. The feet are always adorned. I was also told, until a man shows himself ready to adore the woman in that manner of submitting himself to her, the woman is also not ready to surrender her body and mind. This I am telling of not city bred modern woman. This I am telling you of women of India in rural parts of India...where the way of life is not dictated by just orders and customs, but by also practicality. They have panchayats to resolve marriage dispute issues, so it becomes easy for them to deal in less talk but by yielding actions. Even the roots I come from, the elders say, first the woman has to be respected and loved by the man even behind closed doors and then it right for the man to demand respect in public. It might look very odd, but for a patriarchal society, these equations are quite natural and easy to follow.

Coming to RK and Madhu - Comparisons between The Past and The Current at touching feet

Previously at Karwachouth time RK did not allow Madhu to touch the feet. As his spot girl, he did not allow her to touch his feet for pedicure. Both the times Madhu's free will was not there. She was under obligation as a wife and a servant doing it for a ritual completion and task completion respectively.
• Today when Madhu touches RK's feet, it was like Madhu was surrendering to the man forever by her choice and not as an obligation. Today also he asked her not to because he was just joking, and yet when Madhu did out of her choice, he accepted her surrender though overwhelmed he was.

This I am 100% sure. I have always observed RK, how much he respects Madhu, inspite of being intimidating to her and trying to be the egoist man.

Touching one's feet. Just as much as one feels humbled to offer himself at other's feet, so is the pride and sense of responsibility heightened for the person who accepts the surrender in honesty under ideal conditions. I had problems in touching the feet of Gurujis, but once I started doing it, all my distrust went away and I felt more at ease and relaxed at the humbling.

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Marriage Ceremony - Differences between the Past and the Present

Past - Varmaala - NO, Gathjod- NO, Madhu's free-will in marrying RK - NO.

Madhu was listless and everything of the marriage, was accomplished by RK, like making her sit, making her give her hand, making her get-up for phera.

Present - Varmaala exchange - YES. Gathjod - YES, Madhu's free-will - YES

• The Gathjod

Previously it was missing and RK keeps pulling her as she doesn't walk for the pheras, He had to pull her up for that..

Now the gath-jod is done there and the pooja is done seriously with folded hands and closed eyes. RK is shown praying more seriously than Madhu. She looks at him and sees him earnestly praying.

• The kanyadaan part is twisted/left. This brings us to hand holding scene.

Previously he put his other hand over hand so that his hand looks upward...it looks to us his ego was not allowing it, but to discerning eyes, his act was not that bad...He had given left hand, whereas right hand should be given, he grabs Madhu's left hand as she is not giving it...which actually should have been the right hand...and Madhu's hand keeps slipping away...so he rightfully keeps his right hand below, then takes Madhu's easily available left hand and puts his left hand upon hers to prevent her hand from slipping. It was just a matter of practicality, which kinda looking caging and ego to us...but it is not from a drunken state of mind, but a drunken body, not in control...he was just getting done with the act in the best possible manner.

Now it was smoothly done. Madhu was the one who readily advanced her hand, she was not coy and did not wait for RK to ask. RK then supported her with his right and Madhu gave her left hand (why not right, I did not understand that) and it was sincerely done.

• In MEIEJ, the writers never followed the order of the vows the way in texts the vows are taken.. For the story they have twisted it. You can go online and you will find the discrepancy...considerably.

Reminding everyone here ...what are those 4 real vows that the pandit asked him to take 1st time, which RK twisted 3 and cancelled 1...which Madhu later on January 17th gave better wording when they took second time at the same place in correct manner. This time she repeated the vows loudly that earlier she did not commit and RK each time agreed with her. Madhu took the pheras leading RK 3 times to commit to those vows and 1 phera with RK leading Madhu which he had cancelled previously.

That 4-Phera Marriage vows (before January 17th in promise and as practiced to the contrary)

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First one ..the actual one Pandit tells him ...I will forever support you. And RK twists it and says in his mind, I promise to isolate you from all the people who will be supporting you.

Second one ...The actual one being ...I will never break your trust. And he twists it and says in his mind, I assure you that I will make everyday of your life a hell.

Third one - actual being ...I promise to be with you in good and bad times. And he twists to mean, cannot know about good times, I promise to fill up your life with unhappiness.

Fourth one - actual being - I promise to treat your parents with respect like mine. And he looks at Bittuji and has the fourth phera cancelled (the actual reason being he doesn't respect his living parents or may be parents is a closed chapter for him).

So in reality, everyone including Madhu may have assumed he took the first three vows at real. Only him and audience know what he was promising in the first three.

Now at real , he has been following 7 vows. the first 3 real ones and 3 twisted ones and the fourth one, since he cancelled it, he takes liberty to humiliate them albeit calls them Sasurji and Saasumaa, in much expressive manner than of addressing his living family.

Isn't this man really complex, interesting and entertaining. We can never know what he can do. But one thing is good about him. When he twists, he keeps loyal to only himself being supportive to her and to be trustworthy to her and not promising too many bad things to her in a curseful manner. He just vows that much which MB is capable of dealing with.

Must say interesting plot and character sketch there from the writers !!

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The Varmaala Exchange - In Gandharva Vivaah style, this marriage is completed. No more phere needed. In India - to have the marriage/reception done in style, first varmaala is done as it is quick with no chance left for inauspicious events to happen. Later on the full rituals/customs/pooja is carried out.

Shri, I apologize for quoting this length in full. But every word was outstanding.👏 Thank you very much for taking so much trouble penning this.😳 Will be rereading it a few more times to tide through the twist-stress.😊

And Zorica, fabulously apt posters as always.😳

Originally posted by: anastasia21

🤗 here, take one from me. I don't know what I'm more freaked out about. Todays episode or my exam tomorrow. I'm in deep deep trouble.