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leelaa9

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Posted: 12 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Exactly Leela. First I used to get upset. Now that I know that baad mein Madhu ki waat lagne waali hai, I am enjoying it.

Brought up by a Shamsher and Padmini turned her into a sel-righteous vain brat. Her parents always allowed her whatever she wishes. If Madhu was spoiled as self-righteous Glycerine girl, they spoiled Trishna as the self-possessed and self-important Heroine girl. Vain traits were encouraged

Madhu now being married to an RK has to keep fighting to keep up her self-righteous vain trait. The only trait that helps her fighting RK is the stubborn streak that she gpt from Balraj, her biological father.

And Madhu when she comes face to face with Balraj as her father, she will value Shamsher and RK. The whole show is about her learning from a naive, vain girl to becoming an informed person, but who will always be protected and again turned into princess by RK. She is actually being spoiled by RK. So even is she is gaining sense like in Ganesha track and Shamsher track, she gained knowledge only to become more closer to RK. So for sure there are going to be tracks, where she keeps getting closer to him in SURRENDER rather than LOGICALLY APPROVING. He will keep felling her stubborn walls for him and she will gladly come out her self-constructed tomb of dumbness. That is why this is Ishq and Junoon.

MM,

You understood it right. If you see my response to Leela, that is pretty much RK's story in reverse and which shall explain your concern in bold.

In essence, RK is not asking for Madhu's help, RK is asking Madhu to agree with him. He puts across a thought and he expects Madhu to agree with him and understand him. But Madhu being Madhu, she just accepts it as a verdict, which ticks off RK big time. Then he quarrels with her, throws plates and pans and pots and yells 😆 and then finally with love explains her how she is wrong in just surrendering like that and instead shows the logic behind things. She seems to be seeing his viewpoint, and Rishabh Kundra is mesmerized in her and he forgets to see if she understood his logic again or just listened to his lecture totally mesmerized by him.

Essentially their love for each other makes them happy, but it is the same love that makes a spoilsport. One makes her a princess and other makes him a God. And yet one appears to be a subservient wife which is not making the husband happy and the other appears bossy husband which is not making the wife happy. And what is all the fight about? Don't be a subservient wife to me. Don't be a bossy husband to me ? Idiots! Aren't they speaking the same ? 🤣

Apna ki jaata hai..we will just enjoy the show until it lasts. 😆

Outstanding, Shri.⭐️👏

But yes, it does get hard to get through considering the causes she picks. (This time is worst of all - Radha😡🤢). I just start waiting for her to win quickly. The sooner she wins, the sooner the catastrophic aftereffect happens.😕 She finds out something, or something happens, and she regrets worse than the 'victory' time.😊 So far it's always worked out to advantage for RK and their relationship.😳

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Ananya05

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Posted: 12 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
Essentially their love for each other makes them happy, but it is the same love that makes a spoilsport. One makes her a princess and other makes him a God. And yet one appears to be a subservient wife which is not making the husband happy and the other appears bossy husband which is not making the wife happy. And what is all the fight about? Don't be a subservient wife to me. Don't be a bossy husband to me ? Idiots! Aren't they speaking the same ? 🤣

Apna ki jaata hai..we will just enjoy the show until it lasts. 😆

Shri, hilarious. That last bit cracked me up.🤣

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Zorica

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Posted: 12 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: leelaa9
I was disappointed but not surprised by Madhu's condition ("Ask forgiveness of your mother, and I'll take a positive stand on my Maa and Maalik getting married.").

Madhu always chooses to stoop to conquer whenever the conquest is just going to shame her later.😭

She has previously also gone against RK, gotten what she wanted, and then ended up deeply regretting her victories.😭

We just have to get through her naive righteous pleasure at her 'victory', and RK doing what she wants in her misinformed zeal.😕

Then the other shoe drops, sooner or a bit later.😊

And each time binds her even closer to RK.😳

So... disappointed, but used to this process now.😕😆😳

Now Madhu is playing with fire! Her behavior can cause the opposite effect. But, in this case, it will be interesting to see when they reconciled. 😉

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dramacrazy12

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Posted: 12 years ago

#24

I loved the episode today more so because the CVs excelled my expectations and kept everyone in thier characters at the same time introducing a lot of relevant information subtly.

RK has mellowed down after the confession but underneath all that he is still RK with his temper and bluster. He bears his wife's tantrum because he enjoys them but that does not mean he will let her step all over him nor is he ready to make everything a negotiation. Loved the fact that he threw a tantrum when Madhu did not talk to him or the fact that he did not agree to her negotiation immedietly. On the other hand he seemed really upset and crazed out at Madhu for not talking to him. A subtle indication of his obsession with his wife and how quickly he can change from the mellow understanding husband to angry possesive husband.

His intelligence and sensitivity is once again reflected in the way he tries to make case for Padmini-Shamsher's marraige. His patience is shown in how he tries to deal with Madhu next day after the tantrum at dining table and tries to appeal to her logic. The script rehearsal scene and RK being frustated with Madhu in front of Bittuji felt very normal and natural for a newly wedded husband.

But I have to admit that what I liked most was

1)He tells Ballu to produce a film in order to get rid of him but next moment is taken aback by what he just implicitly promised. He has signed no contracts, there is no legal recourse but still Rk seems intent on sticking to his words that he had uttered in irritation. This is the first time that we see how much importance RK gives to his promises and commitments even if they given in haste or unhappily.

2)He is aware that Trishna hates him and will not accept his help so all the secrecy is more for the benefit of Trishna than anyone else. However he seems to forget if Trishna applied her brain, it would not take long for her to figure out who had the power to lift the ban and point an out of industry producer towards her. I also think he is measuring Trishna with the same yardstick that he uses with his wife and in laws. Trishna however seem to have inherited a lot of Ballu's traits and is very different from rest of the family. I think she would not be averse to taking Rk's help as long as he did not rub it in her face.

3)He is not completely sold on Ballu and has reservations about him. Honestly it is Bittuji who is pushing him towards Ballu. This reiterates the fact that he is capable of judging a person correctly, however his desperation and need of the hour not to mention Bittuji's insistence is responsible for making him ignore his sixth sense and reservations.

4)He becomes aware of how much Madhu is uncomfortable in film industry. I am assuming that this will be used at some point when Madhu decides to become a heroine or is pushed into it circumstantially.

I did not feel good about both Radhaji and Madhu today.

Once again Madhu proved, how little she understands her complex husband. Instead of taking a minute to understand what RK was trying to tell her, she reacts by accusing him of trying to conform to the accepted norms of the social acceptance and conservatism. Furthermore she not only ignores him next day but also tries to strike a deal with RK. While she was probably trying to make the point that accepting RK's suggestion about her parent's marraige was as difficult for her as it was for RK to accept his mother's remarraige. It came out all wrong on the screen, Madhu came out looking immature, stubborn and insensitive. She seems to make a point of pushing Radhaji and RK together at every opportunity but she does not seem to realize that Radhaji is very different from Padmini. Also her husband's hurt is more deep than it seems. As someone mentioned earlier on this thread RK is not against his mother's remarraige, his anger stems from his mother's choice of husband and the way she seems to have ignored him for Bhatias. While Shamsher cares deeply for Padmini and has dedicated his life to her daughters, Kuku is a wastrel who frequents bars and massage parlours...he never accepted RK but rather falls back on that relationship when he needs it.

I had mentioned this earlier, Madhu seems to be acting on the perception that RK's hurt is insignificant in comparison to Radha and RK is in wrong. I assume it is Radha's waterworks that drives her perception. In truth, the reality is that RK's anger is not unjustified though over years it has taken an unsavory edge. All Radha does is cry or cram Bhatias down RK's throat, she has never taken active steps to build a relationship with RK or even explain her perspective to him.

Radhaji once again fell in my estimation today- RK throws a tantrum and it is obvious that there is something going on between the couple but her reaction made me cringe when she asked "Kya hua?" or something to that effect.

Ballu is on crazy person and very slippery.Trishna comes face to face with him tomorrow- the question is if she is desperate and crazy enough to take the work despite the risk. I have a feeling she is.

Loved Paddy-Shamsher interaction and the way RK watched it all.

Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago

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dramago

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Posted: 12 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
Paagal Ballu aur RK ki Bachchi Biwi!!

It was quite a good episode.

I personally like the fact that Madhu got enraged when RK put forth the Malik-Padmini marriage proposal. Any one in her place would have done the same. She has lived with them for the past 21-22 years. They might not be blood relations but yet their family r'ships are all very much beyond the conventional society norms. Malik-Padmini's might be a benaam rishta and prolly the society might discard them as living-in(or even illicit) but yet theirs is a very platonic r'ship built by mutual respect, trust, care, concern not only for their common string(kids) but for each other's well-being too,etc. And had Madhu contemplated over RK's idea, I would have definitely scoffed at her that somewhere even she thinks that they need to get married to get a proper status and that she had demeaned her parents r'ship.

Now, coming to the condition she put forth in front of RK. I like it for a reason and it angered me for another reason.
The cause of anger was that how could she say ask your mom for forgiveness.It was totally ridiculous!!! Had she told him forgive your mom and patch-up with her, it would have been better.
Why I liked it- It was to show to him that it is as difficult for me to accept it just the way it is as difficult for you to patch-up with your mom. Even at that time, he was trying to convince her and make her agree to him. So she wanted to say she was also hurt by the fact that he also thought bad about Pads-Malik r'ship, thus the condition. The fact that he brought up the issue and also the press-conf memory where he had defamed their r'ship had made her jump to the conclusion that somewhere he thinks bad about their r'ship too.

Madhu shall come around with this proposition and RK would make sure she sees sense that it is for her parent's own good and betterment. But for now, am happy with her first reaction. 21-22 years is too long and she has heartily accepted their r'ship the way it is and for her to be convinced shall take time...

I liked RK-Madhu hug so much today and RK-Bittuji scene where he talks of his marriage woes was too good:):)

One scary and a very ominous thing is Ballu. RK's adamance, stubborn nature, arrogance is all rendered powerless by ballu's antics. RK becomes so helpless in front of Ballu's madness to such an extent that even his rational thinking is bowing down to Ballu's paagalpan.

Zoya,

That is exactly how I felt too...Madhu got enraged because she thought RK after all these days still probably viewed her parents relation as something not normal...as not right...Now,RK is the one who publicly mocked drawing illicit meaning to their relation and humiliated their family...so,she got offended and that was her first reaction like why do you think its necessary to bond them in marriage...its anyways pure even if not...As the thought was sowed in Madhu's mind by RK she sure would pick on those tender moments between her parents and soon would realize that there is more to their parents than mutual admiration,respect and bonding over their kids...

I also thought madhu's condition was more of letting RK know how easy it is to think something as right and ask the other to do it (saying its the best as they were planning to leave) which could be so unacceptable to the other...its like Madhu saying I think you should apologies to your mom laying your head in her lap ...would you be able to do that...nahi na...?? its as difficult as that for me to consider my parents marriage...so,it was more like giving

his own medicine to make him understand...Madhu would sure calm down later and would see sense in what RK said and would do the needful... eventually RK would lay his head in his mothers lap too...both are trying to mend each others relationships for the happiness of the other and though the other would fight initially would accept in the end ...

Me too loved the hug... and RK- bittu scene

Edited by himbin - 12 years ago

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kt25

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Posted: 12 years ago

#26

I liked today's episode very much because it had all the elements of drama, conflict, and some level of transformation. What I like about RK and Madhu is that they are people with different values who have agreed to live by each other's social rules and in the process are learning from each other's experience.

Besides RK/Madhu, Padmini/Shamsher jodi is starting to grow on me. I liked how Padmini was watching out for Malik's health and he was doing the same by showing his concern and support for her when she was all flustered over her painful past. They both have strong feelings and we could see that when Malik was reaching out to touch her shoulders to offer solace and comfort like any husband would do to his wife and she was scolding him like any wife for not taking care of his health. RK saw what Madhu failed to see and he is the kind of person who is very observant of the environment and the individuals that he interacts with on a daily basis.

I thank the CVs for not putting Madhu in the kitchen and instead made her help RK rehearse his lines from the movie's script. The scenes that followed the rehearsal were very natural and the flow was seamless where Madhu was just being herself and opens up about her childhood while cherishing her pleasant memories with Malik. This in turn opened up an opportunity for RK to voice his opinion about legalizing Malik and Padmini's nameless relationship in the name of marriage. I think his intentions were sincere and genuine and when questioned by Madhu he even goes on to admit his mistake in the past when he had made a mockery of their relationship to the media. Madhu was being Madhu, just like RK put it, a child who is stubborn in her ways and fails to see the bigger picture and understand the rationale behind his suggestion to get them married. I have to admit that it was cute to see her all upset and angry and push his hand away when he was trying to reason with her. She is definitely a perfect match for RK when it comes to being stubborn and showing attitude. RK was actually taken back and was surprised to see her completely ignore him inspite of his repeated attempts to patch up with her. I liked the way he hugged her to calm her down and asked her to think like a big girl when she kept on insisting how could he even think on those lines and she is mad at him for that.

Madhu was fiesty today and I did not see a reason for that. I still have to say that it was very different from her coy bahu/wife avatar and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Her comeback statement to RK was equally childish when she said that they will talk to Malik and Padmini about their marriage provided he apologizes to his mother and sleeps on her lap. What did he do now to apologize to Radha? He just pushed the plate that she had set up to express his frustration. She called him a 3 year old and asked him to use his heart instead of his brain while trying to understand someone's feelings and emotions. Madhu was wrong there because RK already knew what was bothering her and hence was trying to talk to her to patch up with her. She thinks that she is all complicated and RK has to work hard to know what is going on with her. My statement to her is "My dear Madhu, you underestimate RK who is fully capable of reading you, a open book, with no trouble whatsoever". Eventhough I felt that she had no groounds to argue with him I liked the fact that she voiced her disagreement through her opinion and wasn't just nodding her head because he came up with that decision. They are like any married couple and their little argument/fight today assured us the normalcy of their marriage/relationship.

Bittuji/RK scene provided us the much needed comic relief with RK threatening to get him married to the next girl/woman/aunty who walks through the door if he doesn't stop smiling. Balraj is one stubborn dude and Madhu definitely has inherited her stubborn streak from him. Inspite of the loud taunts and yelling/screaming from RK and Bittuji he was relentless and kept pursuing RK. Why is this deal so important to him? Why all of a sudden he has this interest in film industry? Does he already know the whereabouts of Padmini and has come from Motihari to Mumbai in search of her? There are no chances of him knowing Madhu but Roma and Padmini are junior artists and did he find out about them through the media? We know the reason why Bittuji is convincing the doubtful RK to go ahead with the deal simply because of the reason to keep Trishna in the dark about their involvement in her film career and Balraj would be the perfect person to keep them under cover. Balraj definitely comes off as a pervert and I am pretty sure RK sensed it when he was asking to meet the heroine. RK and Bittuji should be very careful since Trishna is involved here simply because Madhu would give her life for her family and if Balraj tries to hurt Trishna she would go all ballistic on RK not knowing his good intentions.

Did Balraj see Trishna in the precap and vice versa? I am sure Trishna was old enough to remember her dad when Padmini escaped with her and Balraj's looks does not seem to have changed that much. Interesting times ahead..

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Sree

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Posted: 12 years ago

#27

seems pads-sham has more chemistry than rishbala 😆 why this forced forgiveness of rk-radha 🥱

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

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ok gals,

I really feel bad that I did not write anything about Zutshi or Balraj. He is just brilliant and him with that pony tail, which I couldn't see; was such a good sight.

Watching him was plain hilarious. Just mute the video and watch him and others. You will start laughing uncontrollably. Did you see how he was trying to whistle and he could not. 🤣And what was his idea about bringing in sugar cane stick plucked liked that. I just tried and tried and I failed. I guess it is to make Bittuji and RK become bit too self-assured that this mad guy will let them have their last word. They just don't know that the guy is intelligent with a twisted mind too.

Bittuji and RK ki waat lagne waali hai for calling that man a paagal. They are paagal enough to have associated with himself. 🤣

I can really be lax on RK for not doing due diligence on Balraj's background, because 1) He is not bothering himself with the guy's background except the fact that he is insuring himself contractually with him. So he is making him obligatory for bearing all production expenses. 2) RK is in a hurry to get set go with Trishna case. And he knows Trishna is not that promising. 3)There are lot of fanatical elements approaching Film Industry. Everyone knows that there needs to be certain passion to be part of Film Industry. Lot of people like Balraj can think of entering movie industry. Do you look at the faces of real life industry people ? Don't the faces speak for themselves ?

Today's episode was really nice to watch even on mute. Did you all see Rads disgust at seeing RK shoving the plate away from Madhu ? She was like...what disgusting manners? And I burst out seeing her cringing face. I was like...Did you forget that this is your son ? 🤣

And lastly it was fun to see, each time RK's flustered face looked like sandwiched and caught in unwanted worlds throughout the episode. Woe his two days in the episode today.

Wasn't it one of the fastest episode for MEIEJ...two days so quickly passed. From yesterday noon to today noon kind ?🤣 For me it was entertainment and paisa wasool episode. And about that hug...I liked how DD trembled in anger state and how that was actually emoted well between the two actors in the actual hug scene. I guess it came up pretty easily with VD and DD shaking themselves in that push-pull scene.

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zoya_naziya

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Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
ok gals,

They just don't know that the guy is intelligent with a twisted mind too.
Bittuji and RK ki waat lagne waali hai for calling that man a paagal. They are paagal enough to have associated with himself. 🤣

I can really be lax on RK for not doing due diligence on Balraj's background, because 1) He is not bothering himself with the guy's background except the fact that he is insuring himself contractually with him. So he is making him obligatory for bearing all production expenses. 2) RK is in a hurry to get set go with Trishna case. And he knows Trishna is not that promising. 3)There are lot of fanatical elements approaching Film Industry. Everyone knows that there needs to be certain passion to be part of Film Industry. Lot of people like Balraj can think of entering movie industry. Do you look at the faces of real life industry people ? Don't the faces speak for themselves ?

@bold: RK ne badi si musibat mol li hai. Bittuji told that " Is burai mein bhi kuch achchayi hai". But the fact is that it is still a burai and the goodness is just a fraction...

@red: How much ever he insures himself contractually or the fact that all the production expenses are going to be borne by Balraj, so are the losses or the gain, it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be associated with this man. RK is still going to be involved in most of the technical aspects albeit secretly. Had RK been thinking of handing the reins to him(and not be associated with the film), then i agree he can be lax but with him wanting to control him, which implies, working quite closely with him(though Trish might be unaware), then isn't it best that he does a bg check on this man, where, how,what of his finances, personal life ,etc.?He met him in jail for godsake and he might never know what sort of a mess he can land himself into. He is a superstar. He has a rep, and a lot more other things to keep up and he would not like to involve himself in shady dealings. Wouldn't it be better if he is cautious?

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

@bold: RK ne badi si musibat mol li hai. Bittuji told that " Is burai mein bhi kuch achchayi hai". But the fact is that it is still a burai and the goodness is just a fraction...

@red: How much ever he insures himself contractually or the fact that all the production expenses are going to be borne by Balraj, so are the losses or the gain, it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be associated with this man. RK is still going to be involved in most of the technical aspects albeit secretly. Had RK been thinking of handing the reins to him(and not be associated with the film), then i agree he can be lax but with him wanting to control him, which implies, working quite closely with him(though Trish might be unaware), then isn't it best that he does a bg check on this man, where, how,what of his finances, personal life ,etc.?He met him in jail for godsake and he might never know what sort of a mess he can land himself into. He is a superstar. He has a rep, and a lot more other things to keep up and he would not like to involve himself in shady dealings. Wouldn't it be better if he is cautious?

Throw the logic out of the window! Wasn't that the theme of the day ? You forget that Zoya. Tut Tut!!

Bittuji and RK are goners. That's a given.

I am lax at them being goners because they are already in that state of mind ..."Vinasha kaale Vipreeta Buddhi". I guess you understand this. Right. Instead of being cautionary, they are thinking this intelligent and venturing ahead. That's why my three observations ...not bothering, hurry and doing business with fanatics.

Bade Bade kaarnamo ke peeche aisi choti choti galtiyaan maaf ki jaati hain. That is what RK with that sorry face is asking of me. Bass you wait when his mind will go ballistic. 😆

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