Episode 153 Discussion: 25th Dec 2012 - Page 3

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: DovesView


SD: That was awesome. It felt really good to read what you wrote as an answer. BEAUTIFUL! You love the character RK to the core, don't you? It is evident. Such analysis!👏


Oh! you made blush there. I was just revelling in my abilty to answer you and you just made me go red. ☺️
Yeah! I like the character and his idiotic attraction to all the eccentric characters over there. I like him more for the humanity he had preserved within him. And after a long time on television, I am seeing a character like him. The last such character...sort of resembling to him was Sadanand Choudhry of Mujrim Haazir on TV.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi, everyone. Just for clarification, SD is right re: Indian Divorce laws.

Here's a link:


I guess that would show that Padmini and Balraj would definitely be legally at liberty to remarry others.

Cheers, all!😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shridevi,

Thank you for the comments that you made for my analysis. 😳

  • First Before I answer your question:
    I'm not usually someone who likes to talk a lot, but since I've been with you (I read your analysis), I had the urge to join you. Very clever and analytical writing all on this topic. I hesitated to write more because I learned French, and English learning itself, and I have not corresponded with anyone in English. The only thing I have been translating is technical texts from English to Serbian.


  • You ask me how I follow the show?
    - First I look at the original episode,
    - Then read the WU,
    - Then I look episode again,
    - After two or three days I find episode with Romanian translation, which when translated into Serbian looks incredibly funny. Some words and phrases are totally meaningless and so on, not to mention. 😲


  • My analysis?
    After my viewing the episode and after reading WU! 😲

God bless you!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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RK to MB
Let's go anywhere away from here...just you and me.

Listen to these song...the lyrics 😆

Hum dono do premi duniya chhod chale

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ABnmJETxE[/YOUTUBE]


Dono kisi ko nazar nahin aaye, Chal Dariya mein Doob jaaye
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU80CJ_bpj8[/YOUTUBE]



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Very nice epi today. I like how the Rishbala relationship is moving forward and how RK is slowly healing his wounds with his wife's help. Shri said it beautifully- once the hurt is articulated, it is halfway healed.
Whatever dislike we have of Radha, and yes I am calling her Radha today, she is RK's mother and responsible for making him the complicated man Madhu loves. The relationship has to heal for the Rishbala relationship to be somewhat healthy. I say somewhat because it will never truly be a healthy relationship- both are too eccentric and RK has too much of an artist's mentality for a normal, productive relationship between the two. Whatever happens, like I have said before, these two will be the cause of each's other highest of highs and lowest of lows.
Today we saw how slowly RK is healing all his relationships, but the irony is that he plans to leave everything and everyone behind- it's kind of like making peace with the world before you take your leave- everything has to be done before you can go. It's like RK wants to do just that- because Superstar RK will be gone, and Rishab will be left in his place. But RIshab has the same relationships- and more importantly Madhu places a high value on those relaionships, so how will both of them truly let go? I wonder if RK has thought this plan through...because it is full of holes.
re leaving the industry- I still think its because of his relationship with Maddy- he chooses her above everything and everyone. And he wants her to do the same- the only way to do that? Cut asunder all other relationships- he even tells her- "what will happen to your mother when we leave?" I don't know about you guys but that statement does not indicate that RK plans for there to be visits home when RIshbala leave.
So I'm a little confused about RK's state of mind going forward-but we'll see where the CV's go from here.
Have to say- love how RK answered Dips- cool, calm, collected with no emotion- the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Good to see that RK is finally getting there.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: apolloartemis

Very nice epi today. I like how the Rishbala relationship is moving forward and how RK is slowly healing his wounds with his wife's help. Shri said it beautifully- once the hurt is articulated, it is halfway healed.

Whatever dislike we have of Radha, and yes I am calling her Radha today, she is RK's mother and responsible for making him the complicated man Madhu loves. The relationship has to heal for the Rishbala relationship to be somewhat healthy. I say somewhat because it will never truly be a healthy relationship- both are too eccentric and RK has too much of an artist's mentality for a normal, productive relationship between the two. Whatever happens, like I have said before, these two will be the cause of each's other highest of highs and lowest of lows.
Today we saw how slowly RK is healing all his relationships, but the irony is that he plans to leave everything and everyone behind- it's kind of like making peace with the world before you take your leave- everything has to be done before you can go. It's like RK wants to do just that- because Superstar RK will be gone, and Rishab will be left in his place. But RIshab has the same relationships- and more importantly Madhu places a high value on those relaionships, so how will both of them truly let go? I wonder if RK has thought this plan through...because it is full of holes.
re leaving the industry- I still think its because of his relationship with Maddy- he chooses her above everything and everyone. And he wants her to do the same- the only way to do that? Cut asunder all other relationships- he even tells her- "what will happen to your mother when we leave?" I don't know about you guys but that statement does not indicate that RK plans for there to be visits home when RIshbala leave.
So I'm a little confused about RK's state of mind going forward-but we'll see where the CV's go from here.
Have to say- love how RK answered Dips- cool, calm, collected with no emotion- the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Good to see that RK is finally getting there.



@apolloartemis: very well said. There in lies the key to make peace with your past . Take a bow!! 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kt25

RK unlike Madhu is a master planner and executor.

One question that I have in mind is that he is leaving everything and is putting Madhu through this test because Dips sowed the seeds of doubt in his mind?? Why does it matter what Dips thinks? Again the same thing happened today when she mocks at the relationship that Madhu and Padmini share with Malik. He defended their relationship and put Dips in her place by saying that she is uninvited and should not be at his private party which is only meant for his close friends and family and not some unknown commoner like her. Eventhough she left the place he couldn't let go off what she said and hence the precap where he is asking Madhu to think about giving a new meaning to Malik/Padmini relationship by getting them married I presume. It did not come from him directly and once again it was Dips who made him think on those lines. Why-o-Why does he give so much importance to Dips even if he does not want to admit what she thinks means to him? I just don't get it. Why couldn't he just ignore her and not do things to prove her wrong or put her in place?


Priya, nice analysis of the episode as always:)

Regarding on why Dipzy is important... It is we viewers who are giving Dipz importance. RK is not heeding to Dipz words just like that...
Firstly,RK is a man who keenly listens and observes what people have to say to him. If he thinks that they are making sense, he will assess it and then act appropriately and sensibly.. He listens to Dipali and then defends Pads-malik r'ship(the same way he defended Madhu too during test of love time). Kissa over there itself...

Now,RK wants to take Madhu away from all kith and kin to a place where it's just the two of them. But before he takes her away, he wants to shed all their baggage. He wants to see to it that every one is happily settled in their own world so he could whisk Madhu away from everyone(if she comes to know that someone is unhappy/in pain with/in their life, she would not come with him) . Isn't this why he is fixing r'ships and slowly making peace with his mom too?
Pads and Malik have all their lives lived for their children and never thought about themselves even for a moment. Now after their children are settled, now what ? This marriage, i guess, is quite the logical conclusion.
Tomorrow, even if they show that RK is acting on Dipzy's words, I would believe that Dipz has just prodded him to address the issue and he is doing the needful(settling Pads-Malik, they both mean a lot to him, now) coz he thinks its the most sensible/logical thing to do.You yourself have told that he he is a master planner and executor... Even during the test of love time, Dipz just prodded him to address his insecurity and fears, but he went ahead with it, coz he himself was of the opinion that Dipz was right when she said he was cursed when it came to love. They made Dipz the voice of his insecurity when the director should have made him voice it out on his own.(showing Dipali when he was/is retrospecting is director/editor's fault)

This is how I have understood RK and I believe this is how RK is.
Madhu prodded him to address Rads issue, he is not acting on Madhu's words. He listens to her but is doing it coz he wants to do it n not just coz madhu wants him to do it.. When you are ready to believe this in Madhu's case, why not apply the same principle in Dipali's case?
I believe he is not out to prove anyone right/wrong. He is a begaana to the duniya, so why would he care what the world thinks?

Hope this alleviates your fears re. Dipzy...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Much of my thought process is still hinged to my yesterday's take. The composure showed by RK towards Dipali is okay by me, but it did not leave any satisfaction to me. His taunts to her about where is her 5 year party was a good googly to her. And the way her face fell at RK-Radha reunion, it was good to see the objective side of it. Because the more RK is calm and composed with her, the better...the indicator that he is getting away from her. But the TAUNT itself tells me that their CHAPTER together is not yet closed. So when is that going to be closed...is my concern. Shridevi ...have patience. All great things come at their own sweet time.


I don't know, I was watching this scene unfold and I was quite content with how unaffected RK seemed. He was talking to her and answering her but there was no real care there, more or less indifference - which was a nice change from how he's reacted towards her in the past, he was completely and totally vested in Madhu and the scene unfolding with her parents.

Also, like you I'm excited about the Padmani and Balraj (and Malik) story that'll unfold. As much as I love Rishbala (and love watching whole episodes of just them), like you said, there's only so much you can stay interested in a show day in and day out when there are only two people that have a story unfolding. I'm hoping that this means a more balanced show with other characters getting their own stories too.. I imagine Trishna's career/story is going to be put back on the backburnner as it seemed to have been only a means to bring Balraj back into the fold, now that he's here they no longer need her, but it would've been interesting seeing her career unfolding as well.

@Tanu - loved your write up, most specifically the relationship of Malik/Padmani. From the very beginning I thought that there would be some sort of story here between these two, more than just that of co-parents, and was a little disappointed when after the time jump they didn't go any further with them. I'm looking forward to RK interacting with his inlaws more.

Did anyone notice how in the precap RK called them "ma and Malik" not "your ma and Malik", but simply ma and Malik as he thinks of them as his own now too. I loved that!

Originally posted by: apolloartemis


Have to say- love how RK answered Dips- cool, calm, collected with no emotion- the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Good to see that RK is finally getting there.


^ word.. exactly how I felt. Excellent analysis as always AA 😊

👏 @ Zoya... I feel I must stand up and clap - you described everything I myself wanted to say about the whole Despo issue today. Us the viewers giving Dipali too much importance is something I realized after the fiasco that was the whole confession track that seemed to be driven by her, therefore I try to step back and breath when I find myself getting annoyed with her.

I feel the exact same as you in regards to why RK is putting forth the idea of Pads/Malik marrying. Life is long, RK and Madhu are going to be happy with each other in their own world, he too cares about Malik and Padmani now (at least as far as I can tell) but he knows that they'll always be on Madhu's mind, shouldn't these two people that seem to care about each other so much have something for themselves as well? I real marriage instead of just this ambiguous relationshp?

Amazing job as usual everyone! I loved reading everyone's thoughts. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


Priya, nice analysis of the episode as always:)

Regarding on why Dipzy is important... It is we viewers who are giving Dipz importance. RK is not heeding to Dipz words just like that...
Firstly,RK is a man who keenly listens and observes what people have to say to him. If he thinks that they are making sense, he will assess it and then act appropriately and sensibly.. He listens to Dipali and then defends Pads-malik r'ship(the same way he defended Madhu too during test of love time). Kissa over there itself...

Now,RK wants to take Madhu away from all kith and kin to a place where it's just the two of them. But before he takes her away, he wants to shed all their baggage. He wants to see to it that every one is happily settled in their own world so he could whisk Madhu away from everyone(if she comes to know that someone is unhappy/in pain with/in their life, she would not come with him) . Isn't this why he is fixing r'ships and slowly making peace with his mom too?
Pads and Malik have all their lives lived for their children and never thought about themselves even for a moment. Now after their children are settled, now what ? This marriage, i guess, is quite the logical conclusion.
Tomorrow, even if they show that RK is acting on Dipzy's words, I would believe that Dipz has just prodded him to address the issue and he is doing the needful(settling Pads-Malik, they both mean a lot to him, now) coz he thinks its the most sensible/logical thing to do.You yourself have told that he he is a master planner and executor... Even during the test of love time, Dipz just prodded him to address his insecurity and fears, but he went ahead with it, coz he himself was of the opinion that Dipz was right when she said he was cursed when it came to love. They made Dipz the voice of his insecurity when the director should have made him voice it out on his own.(showing Dipali when he was/is retrospecting is director/editor's fault)

This is how I have understood RK and I believe this is how RK is.
Madhu prodded him to address Rads issue, he is not acting on Madhu's words. He listens to her but is doing it coz he wants to do it n not just coz madhu wants him to do it.. When you are ready to believe this in Madhu's case, why not apply the same principle in Dipali's case?
I believe he is not out to prove anyone right/wrong. He is a begaana to the duniya, so why would he care what the world thinks?

Hope this alleviates your fears re. Dipzy...



Nice explanation Zoya! 👏

infact in my episode take today and like Tanu was saying, we have been expecting all along for RK to voice his thoughts about getting Shamsher and Padmini married.

Why the creatives use Dipali as an image is because, just the intelligent RK doing everything by himself will not be palatable to average audience. The would then contrue RK as some egoist who does what he thinks is right by his sheer power. The female viewers and conservative viewers would miss the argument, the logical thinking in this man, the social view of the POINT BEING DEBATED. So they show a negative image like Dipali, who seems to question something in evil way, then RK steps in...as he is antagonist to evil Dipali and he provides his logic (as he is that hurt person by Dips). This makes his argument palatable and not egotistical to all women and conservative men watching the show. Then this guy has to convince a stubborn Madhu as well. Viewers will go through entire catharis of breaking convention, questioning convention when RK argues with Madhu and when Madhu listens to him and then finally agrees to him whole heartedly in going with him in his unconventional manner. This helps those average traditional women understand RK when they see from Madhu's point who is like them. And in the end RK actually gifts Madhu or any of her loved ones a proper closure within convention. But by that time viewers have already agreed with him and they are happily surprised in RK participating in their conventional happiness with sheer delight without any hypocrisy.

So what I am saying is Dipali angle is brought in more for people to absorb RK's radical thought, which in some way Madhu will find it difficult to digest. But slowly it shall work its way.

In all of this, I am happy if socially emaciated viewers like you and me are able to analyse the way you have presented your viewpoint above. I have bolded above.

Only thing is...I wouldn't want creatives to make it too much of Dipali induced memory as they did for RK's test of Love track. As they technically failed to voice it as his thoughts after initial Dipali instigated thought process. A thought should be highlighted as thought and not as XYZ person voicing it.

I was just sharing the same with Ananya and Marathi...The show is about a person who questions conventions. That is a SOCIAL MESSAGE in itself.

RK ridicules everything that is conventional...and that is like viewers like us being heard. He voices our thoughts. And the show has to cater to everyone in India, so they make a Madhu who is dim-wit purposefully. At the end of the day, peeps like are happy seeing RK being unconventional and peeps like TRP giving women are happy seeing conventional Madhu. And at the end of each track, though RK ridicules Madhu for her dim-wit, he ends up listening to Madhu in the name of love...otherwise TRP will not come. That's why we had Karva Chauth two times...that's why we have 4 phera and 7 phera marriage...basically everything becomes debatable.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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In today's episode RK is reminiscing about an incident when he was 6 years old.

I have not seen earlier episodes so this is just figment of my imagination...

I think RK's father Mohan Kundra must have been either a producer or studio owner or some such who must have had a streak of bad luck where he may have had to face creditors. Maybe something happened in his studio that incurred him such losses maybe even criminal charges that he chose to end his life via suicide rather than face the consequences. His studio may have had to be closed down. Maybe Senior Bhatia's kabadi saman may have had something to do this..

Maybe that is the bad memory RK is carrying in his heart all these years and that may be a reason behind his wish to bid adieu to this cinema life.

Pure speculation on my part !!!!.

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