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Nikita

@Dancingdoll

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Posted: 14 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: sikkaisha
Nice discussion here.I would just say this to defend Dutta that he is very vulnerable emotionally esp right now.He has trust issues which are flared up again and again,esp when he really tries to trust someone again.And trust me when you have that mentality it is easier being numb than being vulnerable.He is trying hard to bring himself to a state of mind where he is not vulnerable,trying hard to resist love,pain,longing,anger,hurt,care...Today he was fighting with himself...Who is he kidding,not doing it out of love,Today I smiled at him using excuse of keeping watch and helping Nakku.I totally agree with Liz here,he is fighting with himself.Just the magnitude of inner turmoil has made him incapable of reacting logically.He does not have a normal guy psychology,so I think expecting him to react like a normal person would not be right.His actions are consistent with how Dutta would react.He was trying so hard to keep his face passive ,emotionless,like a mask...but love and concern were just pouring out of his eyes.This is a conflict between his head and heart and he has just started listening to his heart.
Agree with Liz,it looked like he got an electric jolt,there was no need for explanation..If he hated her he would be indifferent

Beautiful Isha!!

One thing I just have to give it to Dutta, he never accepts defeat...Never gives up no matter what....and that is why he can never be indifferent, passive or emotionless....His trust keeps getting butchered time and again and he doesnt fall down defeated, he again tries rising....The pace is slower the next time comparatively but he just keep trying, he takes his own sweet time, he growls, rumblesbut doesnt fall numb....This makes him prone to more attacks but he strives hard even if he uses extreme emotions, he still stands up!!....Extreme emotions are just his way of expression, his character trait! and we soooo love him for this extremism!!

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SonyaBlade

@SonyaBlade

Voyager

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Posted: 14 years ago

#42

At the moment I have to agree with teh person who started this thread. This show, with little Naku being able to freely talk to Dutta, her boss her idol her everything.....the person she loves but whom she never felt uncomfortable with to talk to. Naku was a fresh personality, the three witches have been plotting since we first met them, but Naku is the one solid figure in this drama that has always impressed me at being strong, and Dutta has always impressed me with his fair approach and his friendship with Naku not caring about her looks ever. Never mentioning her dark looks and making Naku feel inferior...infact he helped her become a stronger woman.

But this track is going against what we have seen for the past year.......it's showing Naku being meek...its showing her not standing up to Dutta, not giving him a reality check like she used to. She used to take a stand and stick with it, whether she got yelled at from Dutta or not.......but now its almost as if she is okay with his indifference. Kala and her.......those moments and those scenes are all too fake for me. When Naku used to speak to anyone, she spoke with respect and with a strength that you could feel down to your bones.

Right now, those scenes are IMO disrespectful, they aren't like the Naku whom we saw before who didn't have to call someone by their full name to make it sound omnious or threatening....instead she would just say everything straight and to the point and you couldnt' wait for the upcoming track.....

For instance , when Naku spoke to Dutta in the car before the jungle fiasco......that was a strong Naku whom no one could touch.....but this Naku speaking to Kala.......definitely not having the same effect for me.

And Dutta slapping a woman....any woman just gets me under my skin because he told Naku that he wasn't the type of man who hit woman....... Remember when she started acting all afraid of him when he pushed her and she hit her head, and Baji was even pissed off at him.......that Dutta realized that he stepped out of line and made a huge mistake. He NEVER is unfair to woman.....so how can this same man slap her.

I'm not impressed with this track but I stil tune in hoping that we'll see some change....such as friday's episode.....

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prettywoman

@prettywoman

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Posted: 14 years ago

#43

liz, mussy, dd.. and some others u all have done a thesis on this topic already..by the time i could borrow my hubby's lapy and get here, tum logon ne toh kuch nahin bachaya mere likhne ke liye!!

all i would say is that dutta is dutta and it is extremely wonderful to see that he is one character who has stayed true to his chracater from start of this show and i really thank cv's for that!

as niki says, no point in naku fighting kala, toh usme kaun si nayi baat hain.. if they showed naku fighting and plotting against nakku, then i would say this is run of the mill, K style crap.. but which show depicts a wife fight but with dignity and only when she is attacked and that too for herself and her hubby, not that she wants the opponent crushed and defeated. and that is the beauty of nakku and of her inner strength.. as baji rightly said, ki yeh ladki haar hi nahin sakthi, waqt ki neeche dabake, won upar uth thi hi hain.. so just cos she is not plotting/schemeing does not make her weak, in fact makes her a much more secure and strong woman as she believes in herself, her hubby and her shaadi..so me very happy with nakku and MV is doing a fab job.. and yes, she was shown depressed.. she was not crying.. well, when ur hubby is rootha hua, which wife can be happy na.. but she is not shedding tears i feel, just reminscing old times and wondering about those days .. maybe even dreaming when those days will come in her life again?!

now dutta .. would we like it if he changed his attitude to nakku cos she saved him? well, i wouldn't it? why? cos then i think his love will be bound by ehsaan rather than ound by his whole being.. dutta loves nakku since forever, yes, he is upset and very valid reason too for being upset.. so as most of us feel here, i dont want him to be shown to be forgiving nakku just cos she saved him.. it will take him time to merge both the nakku's and we can already see the progress he is making, albeit slowly, but such a wonderfully sweet process that it is a treat to watch every flicker of emotion on his face from the time he comes into the room.. and he knows nakku can read his face .. hence that statement just to re-assure his brain and also to save face in front of nakku ki.. 'i would have done this for anyone and not because of love'.. but when she come to him and says with confidence and love and sincerity that she did it only for love, see the look on his face, totally stumped.. like his heart telling brain ki chup zyaada sochke takleef math de.. he can also read her and is struggling to cope with the fact that this same girl hid such a big truth from him and the same girl was ready to give her life for him.. now when u have see 2 such faces of the same girl u love, which one would you trust and love, esp after you have face dhokha so many times in life yourself..

and pls chinu, i really like this forum as we can express our feelings.. so pls pls continue to do so.. everyone has an opinion and no one can object you for having an opinion.. arre, it is better than not having an opinions, i say :-)

so bas, enouggh of my nonsense now ;--)

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prettywoman

@prettywoman

Voyager

Posted: 14 years ago

#44

hey sonya.. IMO, i also hate violence against anyone for that matter.. but let's wait and see the scene before we start to hat this particular track na? who knows there may be a valid reason why he does that..maybe even to get her into her senses, not that i am justifying him.. but unless, we have the full picture we cannot pass judgement na.. warna hum mein aur aaj ke dutta mein kya farak ;-P

when the show started that nakku had nothing to lose.. she always loved him, but as a friend she had the right to speak her mind.. now she cant as she had made a huge mistake of hiding such a secret from him when she had umpteen opportunities to tell him.. so when we can forgive her, why cannot we try and give dutta at least some time before he seeks answers..that is all i want.. he needs some time as he has opened himself upto nakku who turned out be a betrayor in his eyes.. and no point in nakku tryong to talk sense.. when men are in such a state best thing is to dry and diffuse the situation by staying quiet.. if she also starts her own rant/explanations, where does that leave them as a couple? when one is upset/angry the other has to stand back and give time for the otehr person to recover.. trust me on this.. no point in both speaking at the same time as it goes unheard.. and according to me deeds speak a lot louder than any words and that is excatly what nakku is doing.. she doesnt need any words, what she is doing/showing dutta is more than enuf and is already tearing him apart.. yes, he might say hurtful things to her, but she also knows and we also can see how dead his eyes are when he says those things.. if he really meant it, dutta's eyes have this rage/hate in them when he means such things.. wheras now you just see he is going thru the motions of saying such things to her just to pacify his losing brain as his heart is slowly galloping away towards nakku to much of all our relief!

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prettywoman

@prettywoman

Voyager

Posted: 14 years ago

#45

i am sorry to say i diagree sonya.. i think we can agree to diasgree here😉

i have a very early morning start tomorrow, so need to get to bed.. but still had to answer a few lines at least..

nake has not been left alone by Dutta.. she herself says to kala at the end of the episode on Friday that saab is with me, he still loves me, and was with me.. she herself knows that, so how can we say she is alone..i felt her loneliness hit me hard when she was sat i the verandah scene and the song sili sili was playing, but dutta has started coming back to her. he comes to their bedroom and peeks at her to ensure she is fine.. c'mon just cos she has saved him, i dont want him falling down on his knees for her..it's sad yaar, that you cannot see the pain/concern/anxiety in dutta's eyes.. forget what he is speaking as it clearly holds no water..just look at those eyes, for me i always have loved dutta's eyes and his emoting thru his eyes and on Friday the whole scene at OT was just so poerful and made me cry.. i dont know how to make u see that dear😕.. i dont know why u feel he is indifferent.. if he was indiff it would have killed me and trsut me i would not be watching this show.. his yelling at doc when he comes to hospital, him holding her and laying her down on bed when she tripped/fainted today, him puching that tray so subtley so she can get to the meds but by showing as if he was keeping his watch, him giving her water and staring at her face without blinking, all that shows he is not indifferent.. h is under tremendous strain.. he is not able to understand which face of nakku to turst.. the face that lied to him or the face that has always loevd him and saved him.. and that cant happen overnight na..

i know men like dutta who can say very hurtful things when they are hurt.. it is their way of coping or trying to hide the fact that they have been hurt or trying to hide the fact that someone else has the pwer to affect/hurt them and they resort to such words to try and gain some sort of satisfaction.strength that they are not affected.. but truth is they are affected big time and dont know how to hide their feelings.. so pls dont literally take his words, try to understand the pain behind those words or just look at his eyes when he mouths that words that he would ave done it for anyone.. they were just blank, eyes are the mirror of ur heart and his heart knows he is lying and so his eyes also reflect that..

but sonya, once again i really like the fact that you are voicing ur opinions and such opinions do matter as it makes everyone contribute from their own POv and we have such lovely healthy discussions here! so i enjoyed writing this and hope i was able to convince u even a teeny weeny bit that dutta still loves and adores his nakku.. he was crunbling inside seeing her in the OT and hence said kujhe kaam hain, mujhe jaana hain.. but again look at how he flickers his eyes several times trying to hide his pain and his lies!!

hope i did not bore you!! anyway adios for now.. shall chck your reply tomorrow dear

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Nikita

@Dancingdoll

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Posted: 14 years ago

#46

@Sonya:

First of all, Happy Belated Bday! 🤗

I see where you are coming from and I would not try to justify the slap till I see it but on your point of indifference -

Do you think Dutta was indifferent when he was manhandling the doctor to expedite the process? Do you think he was being indifferent when he was went into the OT, after hearing his name called out by her? Do you think in the state of indifference, he would get all drunk, worked up and go and sit on the bonnet and reminiscence about Naku and his memories with her?

Humanity can make you admit the stranger to the hospital but not threaten to kill the doctor...Humanity cannot make you stand by the patient while he is going thru the surgery...Humanity will never make u booz and reminiscent on your past memories....One doesnt brood about someone in the state of indifference....Dutta is always tied to her by some emotion, be it from any extreme peripheries, but he is tied to her for life...he can never be indifferent to her, no matter how much he pretends to self!

And why are we taking Dutta's word seriously? Do you think he meant it when he told Naku that he would do it for a stranger and his gestures werent borne out of love? Don't we know him enough to know that he went out of his way to see her operated and revise her health? Those words were not for Naku or us, those words were spoken for his satisfaction, to assure himself that he didnt do it for Naku...He is time and again assuring that his love is dead...but the heart speaks a different language and all that he is going is fighting with self...I havent seen the epsidoe but I am sure even naku doesnt believe him, why should we? she knows him well to know that its just his way of fighting his unwanted emotion - Love in this case!!

Its too painful for him to get real and ACK his surging feelings of love for a woman whom he has branded as betrayer.....What justification should he give to himself that this reaction to her betray was not justified?....and thats when he blabbers...I agree he is not being real but he is not yet in a state to be real....Constant witness to such incidents would force him to get real because to what extent can he keep giving self reassurance!!!

Dont worry Sonya....give him few more incidents and he would be getting real and honest finally!!

Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago

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SonyaBlade

@SonyaBlade

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Posted: 14 years ago

#47

I hear what you all are saying.....just to put some things in perspective though.....

1) When Dutta first heard Babi scream out that Naku loves him,.....OMG the depth and pain in his eyes was unbearable. It was so intense to watch him.......I just recently rewatched that epi because I wanted to know if how I'm feeling would change if I just saw a few old epi's..............

2) He married her because of her love for him.....because he wants to make her pay for betraying him.....and he repeatedly throws her love in her face........again you can feel the hatred, the games he plays with her just to teach her and himself a lesson. How he tries to hurt himself as well as her.

3) Next he frees her - again you can tell that this decision is hard but he wants to free her so she can have a better life away from him. Again the emotion and difficulty he has with this is powerful to watch.....

4) then we have the jungle times....OMG....that's when we truly see his love blossom into a fruit that is lucious and juicy and sweet and ....oh just everything that was right was right. He listened.....he even said to Naku taht he's come out of this jungle a more relaxed person..........and he was for a time being.....

BUT THIS DUTTA...........I can't see it, for the life of me I cant' see and relate to this Dutta.........

he doesn't talk to her, he yells at her, he helps her, but you know he doesn't want to and he is radiating with negative energy. In the past there's always been something that you can see in Dutta that shows the positive gleam.....the positive air....... BUT this Dutta who just wants her away from him .... why not tell her to leave. I would rather have that than this complete and total loss of emotion. I know he's heart broken however I can't see it anymore.......not this time. This time I'm not getting it. I need more of the old Dutta back........not this replica that you've created for us. Its just not doing it for me girls....I'm sorry I can't see it.

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Zahra

@Pyari_Zahra

Rocker

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Posted: 14 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade
I hear what you all are saying.....just to put some things in perspective though.....

1) When Dutta first heard Babi scream out that Naku loves him,.....OMG the depth and pain in his eyes was unbearable. It was so intense to watch him.......I just recently rewatched that epi because I wanted to know if how I'm feeling would change if I just saw a few old epi's..............

2) He married her because of her love for him.....because he wants to make her pay for betraying him.....and he repeatedly throws her love in her face........again you can feel the hatred, the games he plays with her just to teach her and himself a lesson. How he tries to hurt himself as well as her.

3) Next he frees her - again you can tell that this decision is hard but he wants to free her so she can have a better life away from him. Again the emotion and difficulty he has with this is powerful to watch.....

4) then we have the jungle times....OMG....that's when we truly see his love blossom into a fruit that is lucious and juicy and sweet and ....oh just everything that was right was right. He listened.....he even said to Naku taht he's come out of this jungle a more relaxed person..........and he was for a time being.....

BUT THIS DUTTA...........I can't see it, for the life of me I cant' see and relate to this Dutta.........

he doesn't talk to her, he yells at her, he helps her, but you know he doesn't want to and he is radiating with negative energy. In the past there's always been something that you can see in Dutta that shows the positive gleam.....the positive air....... BUT this Dutta who just wants her away from him .... why not tell her to leave. I would rather have that than this complete and total loss of emotion. I know he's heart broken however I can't see it anymore.......not this time. This time I'm not getting it. I need more of the old Dutta back........not this replica that you've created for us. Its just not doing it for me girls....I'm sorry I can't see it.

But he doesn't want her to leave, that's an absolute fact, you can see it in his eyes, his movements- he doesn't want her to leave, he doesn't hate her- his every thought is occupied by just one person, and that is Naku, he just cannot get her out of his head. He is failing miserably at keeping away from her, yet somehow he always ends up before her, or she always ends up before him. I'm sorry to say I disagree, but when he helps her, I don't at all think he does not want to help her- just the thought of her hurt has him in pain. You can see that in his eyes, his concern for her is evident. I guess Dutta is very good at masking his feelings, that's why possibly you've also been betrayed by some of his acts of aloofness.

And to reply to your earlier point, I don't think Naku is meek and subservient either. I think if she was, she would have left long back. The fact that she is there always around Dutta, making him restless with her presence, always asserting her love for him is proof that she is just as strong as she always was! Because she's not giving it back to Dutta does not mean she is subservient to him, in fact it is showing how much she loves him, and how much she understands that this attitude of hers is what he needs at the moment. x

Edited by Pyari_Zahra - 14 years ago

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Nikita

@Dancingdoll

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Posted: 14 years ago

#49

@Sonya:

Huns, thats alright if you cant see it...We all go thru the same at some point...and I will not try convincing you....but I would definitely say that even during the Jungle episode, he didnt listen to her..He was very aloof to her, shrugging her off and yet having his moments of emotions with her!!!....This is exactly what he is doing now...he has his moments and then he shrugs it off by giving himself some lame reasons like, I would do it for anyone....Its like telling himself, "No! I dint do it for love...No, I couldnt have done it for love...Then why did I do it?...Oh! I must have done it for anyone...Yes, It has to be humanity....not love".....

In Jungle,he wasnt listening to her....It was Jagtap who made him listen...He very clearly told Jagtap, "I am not going to listen and why should I listen for god sake?"....But Jagtap forcibly gives him a reason to listen and yet again Dutta oscillates in that Banjaaran song....Jagtap had to give his life to make Dutta even ponder on his words....

Thankfully this time, Dutta is brooding on his own....He would listen Sonya....Just give him some time...

Plus there is a difference between the first instance and this one...This time he was in love....love in its pristine form! and then he got betrayed...the reaction had to be exponentially worst, and so has to be the pain....I just feel, his reaction is still calmer than last time but pain worst!

Anyways, watch it for Naku! ...itnaa toh kar sakti hai! 😛

Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago

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Anu

@Anu-Reddy

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Posted: 14 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: sam1984
sorry but I have to agree, initially when I started watching this show I could watch one episode 10 times ab to I don't even want to watch them even once especially with the current track , I hate kala to be shown winning , when will naku start plotting against kala and humiliating her .

But when was that?. Till date all her plans were miserable flops or got D-N together. Samething is happening now and evne the spiked drink will result in D-N getting together. Kala never ever won on this show till date and even if she did, it was just a momentary truimph.

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