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Posted: 15 years ago
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After deliberating for a while (and even though I love Naku and hate to see her hurt) I have come to the conclusion that Dutta is and is not justified. Naku doesn't have a strong case in favor of her, no one can really stand up for her with proof. So obviously Dutta is blaming her for everything. I agree with him here. I agree that he can be angry with her, blame her, yell at her, throw things around. Heck he even has license to throw her out of his house 😭 .

But I do NOT agree that marrying her forcibly is a good punishment. I DO love seeing him get physical with her and confront her, be passionate with her etc etc but I DON'T think that marrying her is necessarily a punishment for her, or a jahannum as he called it. I think it is just his excuse to stay close to her. So in a way he is fooling himself if he thinks that it is anything except a way for him to keep her in his house and dependent on him. He has a control issue going on.

I think that he was unable to control Seema and Sup and both of them damn cared about being reliant on him. But Naku's whole world revolves around making him happy and now he KNOWS it. So there is now way he can pretend he is punishing her. Instead he is only getting more and more obsessed with her and making her completely vulnerable to him. He is subconsciously sealing his fate with her without even knowing it. I think this whole drunk thing was just a fluke. He would have done it sober and without the help of a priest. Because when Dutta wants to do something, he does it. The twisted thing about this whole drama is that the one innocent girl in his life, the one girl who actually LOVES him is the one that he "punishes". He doesn't even care about finding Sup anymore, now he has found peace in the fact that he can spend the rest of his life stalking Naku (I admit it is a little creepy, mildly though) and making HER his.

Don't know if this made much sense but it's what I think about the situation.

😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
#12
Okay I'm back. Right here's what I think.
First of all we always knew that Dutta has an extremely volatile nature. The way he beat the crap outta Morey and Deshmukh is an example. However those people were strangers to him.
Because Dutta is so passionate in his nature, he feels emotions in great extremes. I mean he only knew Naku for a short while but in that time he became extremely attached to her, he told her everything that he hasn't told anyone in ten years. So to find out that Naku has betrayed him would make him react in an extreme manner. Which he did. He married her to exact his revenge on her.
Now is this justified?
Well obviously it's not for a normal person but Dutta is not a normal person. In his world view Betrayal is the worst thing you could ever do and death is a fitting punishment for it. And we can't say that he didn't try to look for Naku's innocence. He questioned and threatened the goonday that were caught. Everyone speaks the Truth once he's finished with them but they still turned around and blamed Naku.
Now who would want to frame Naku anyways? He doesn't know anyone who has a dushmani with her! And why would they? It's NAKU she's just a maid in his house!
But she still has no motive for doing any of this! Until her mother reveals that Naku loves him. Well! There's a motive! people have betrayed people for less than love!
But she's still betrayed him so he decides to kill her. But because he is attached to her he realises that he can't.
But he can't let her get away with it. Why should Naku be able to leave with no punishment? Throwing her out isn't punishment enough! What about him? Is he to live with this Betrayal all his life? Feel this anger and hatred and hurt all his life on his own? No! If he's living in hell Naku will have to live here with him! She can't just leave him here stuck with all this grief and anger and betrayal!
So he will make Naku suffer just as he is suffering!
So. I mean if I watch that Faceoff Scene THAT'S what I get from it. He's still attached to her. I mean instead of getting on with the "punishment" whatever it is, he's standing there telling her about how betrayed he feels! How much she's hurt him and how angry he is! Good grief. The man is opening up to her again.
*Head Desk*
But the Gadha doesn't seem to realise what he's doing! And obviously he won't because he's all filled with these volatile emotions!
The guy needs to get away from Naku and from everyone so that he can just stop and think. Because he said to Naku whenever he sees her he feels Hatred for her because she just reminds him of her betrayal. BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM HER.
Gadha kahin ka.... if he doesn't stay away he'll just keep hating her and get angrier.
Its a bloody vicious circle he's stuck in if you ask me.
And Naku staying quiet isn't really helping in my opinion. Her silence is just making him angrier.
She should start talking about their Dosti again. That'll make him want to get away from her. He had to stop her talking about that the last time because it was really affecting him.
Look basically I understand where the man is coming from. Plus it doesn't help that he's crossed the line into Psychopathic Territory. He needs to calm down.
Someone said that he is similar to Lord Shiva where he angers easily and only Parvati can calm him down. Well. To him right now it looks like Parvati has betrayed him. If the one person who can calm him is the one who in his mind has betrayed him then.... damn. We're in for a Looooong night.
Aisha xxx😉
Edited by thornewood9 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#13
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some of dutta's anger is justified but not all hes nobody to decide nakku's fate well i agree dutta has married nakku coz he knows some where he needs her badly ( as shreya and nsb416 said)
and his post marriage behaviour is too bad...well i knw hes hot headed but still m sorry but m not in his favour ne more.......

well dutta is not making good use of his mind ......if i wud have been him i wud not react this bad as i know sups never loved me n wud be glad shes out of my house but i will track her down first and punished her by beating the hell out of her BF or now maybe husband........until then i will ignore nakku n ask her to not show me her face ........once m done with mawali n sups punishment i will ask them for nakku's extent of involvement in it n in such a way that i believe nakku more than them attitude though i wud consider nakku a betrayer but won show it to those zombies........in order to just hear truth n not ne other crap 😡
Edited by skavitha08 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nsb416

After deliberating for a while (and even though I love Naku and hate to see her hurt) I have come to the conclusion that Dutta is and is not justified. Naku doesn't have a strong case in favor of her, no one can really stand up for her with proof. So obviously Dutta is blaming her for everything. I agree with him here. I agree that he can be angry with her, blame her, yell at her, throw things around. Heck he even has license to throw her out of his house 😭 .

But I do NOT agree that marrying her forcibly is a good punishment. I DO love seeing him get physical with her and confront her, be passionate with her etc etc but I DON'T think that marrying her is necessarily a punishment for her, or a jahannum as he called it. I think it is just his excuse to stay close to her. So in a way he is fooling himself if he thinks that it is anything except a way for him to keep her in his house and dependent on him. He has a control issue going on.

I think that he was unable to control Seema and Sup and both of them damn cared about being reliant on him. But Naku's whole world revolves around making him happy and now he KNOWS it. So there is now way he can pretend he is punishing her. Instead he is only getting more and more obsessed with her and making her completely vulnerable to him. He is subconsciously sealing his fate with her without even knowing it. I think this whole drunk thing was just a fluke. He would have done it sober and without the help of a priest. Because when Dutta wants to do something, he does it. The twisted thing about this whole drama is that the one innocent girl in his life, the one girl who actually LOVES him is the one that he "punishes". He doesn't even care about finding Sup anymore, now he has found peace in the fact that he can spend the rest of his life stalking Naku (I admit it is a little creepy, mildly though) and making HER his.

Don't know if this made much sense but it's what I think about the situation.

😊

God that IS creepy now that I think about it😆
Ah who cares? It's Dutta😳
And I agree with you on the whole subconscious thing. The Gadha knows deep down that he needs her and even if she's betrayed him he still wants her. God. That IS Psychopathic😆
Aisha xxx😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
#15
ohhh..........nice disscussion................. if i were in dutta's place......frankly telling i would send nakku and her family out of the house.......but i would not have tortured nakku...........i would have ordered my men to look for sups and ravi bcoz they are the only one who know the truth................and obviously i would have drunk
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Guys,


1. You fall for Supriya, given that she gave lot of proofs to you that she loves you and is ready to take up as a gangster's wife.
2. On your wedding day, Sups elopes with her Body Guard.
3. Baji tells you that he found out she has had an affair with the BG for long.
4. You realize that her eloping and this elaborate plan is an inside job (Its upto you to decide what does Inside job mean - Guests in the wedding or your family members)
5. Your sister finds a letter written by Sups and reads it to you.
6. Baji finds two guys who say that Naku gave them Supari.
7. Kala and Aayi Saheb collaborate these two guys story by narrating what happened in the functions in a temple and how they had named Naku in the temple that she had called them.
8. You have trusted Naku all this while and she has been influential in getting you ready for this marriage with Sups.



keeping in mind all these pts plus seeing the person datta is....is his actions justified? yes. it very much is. lets start from scratch. tis girl called nakusha had really strong influence on datta. so much strong tat he went to the extent of telling her abt his past.....i really bitter past which still haunts him...because of which he is datta bhau today. the friendship grows strong...the bond gets strong as we see....nakusha has a very big hand in convincing datta to give supriya a chance....he heeded her always.....

fast foward to the marriage....woa! wat a roller coaster tat was.....firstly he gets to know she is dead....then he comes to know she's not....(half the mission is accomplished there itself)...over tat she eloped...hmmm so histroy repeats itself again....when it happened the last time he tranformed to datta bhau....and now when tis happened he married nakusha. was it justified....hmm from his pov...yes! i mean everything is against nakusha now....she is innocent he does not know tat.... all the letter, facts everything is against her...practically speaking even my inference wud be against her......when he comes to know he loves her....he goes crazy.....y won't he....pehley hi kya uski zindagi simple thi ki he has come face to another shocking truth.....he cud not take it anymore.....the broke almost everything in his room...drank like a maniac...as if to say he had enough....he will not take it anymore.....he feels he has been betrayed...AGAIN...he is datta bhau and he does not give a second chance to betrayers....tats one thing...he now feels she is a part of some big scheme....remember he said mein jo ker raha hoon soch samjh ker kar raha hoon.....maybe there is a possibilty he got a hint ki maybe someone doesn't want him to get married......so its like killing two birds with a stone.....giving sazaa to the girl who betrayed him and finding out abt the actual idea behind all tis gameplan
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nsb416

After deliberating for a while (and even though I love Naku and hate to see her hurt) I have come to the conclusion that Dutta is and is not justified. Naku doesn't have a strong case in favor of her, no one can really stand up for her with proof. So obviously Dutta is blaming her for everything. I agree with him here. I agree that he can be angry with her, blame her, yell at her, throw things around. Heck he even has license to throw her out of his house 😭 .

But I do NOT agree that marrying her forcibly is a good punishment. I DO love seeing him get physical with her and confront her, be passionate with her etc etc but I DON'T think that marrying her is necessarily a punishment for her, or a jahannum as he called it. I think it is just his excuse to stay close to her. So in a way he is fooling himself if he thinks that it is anything except a way for him to keep her in his house and dependent on him. He has a control issue going on.

I think that he was unable to control Seema and Sup and both of them damn cared about being reliant on him. But Naku's whole world revolves around making him happy and now he KNOWS it. So there is now way he can pretend he is punishing her. Instead he is only getting more and more obsessed with her and making her completely vulnerable to him. He is subconsciously sealing his fate with her without even knowing it. I think this whole drunk thing was just a fluke. He would have done it sober and without the help of a priest. Because when Dutta wants to do something, he does it. The twisted thing about this whole drama is that the one innocent girl in his life, the one girl who actually LOVES him is the one that he "punishes". He doesn't even care about finding Sup anymore, now he has found peace in the fact that he can spend the rest of his life stalking Naku (I admit it is a little creepy, mildly though) and making HER his.

Don't know if this made much sense but it's what I think about the situation.

😊



Excellent post 👏 ...agree with you wholeheartedly...!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: thornewood9

God that IS creepy now that I think about it😆
Ah who cares? It's Dutta😳
And I agree with you on the whole subconscious thing. The Gadha knows deep down that he needs her and even if she's betrayed him he still wants her. God. That IS Psychopathic😆
Aisha xxx😉




Now that you guys brought it up he IS acting like a psycopathic and obsessed with Naku. Compared to Naku its Supriya's betrayal which is bigger. Supriya pretended to love him while Naku pretended friendship. Yet he is more affected by Naku's betrayal so much so he has forgotten he's been wrong by Supriya and turned his focus on Naku completely.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: thornewood9

Okay I'm back. Right here's what I think.
First of all we always knew that Dutta has an extremely volatile nature. The way he beat the crap outta Morey and Deshmukh is an example. However those people were strangers to him.
Because Dutta is so passionate in his nature, he feels emotions in great extremes. I mean he only knew Naku for a short while but in that time he became extremely attached to her, he told her everything that he hasn't told anyone in ten years. So to find out that Naku has betrayed him would make him react in an extreme manner. Which he did. He married her to exact his revenge on her.
Now is this justified?
Well obviously it's not for a normal person but Dutta is not a normal person. In his world view Betrayal is the worst thing you could ever do and death is a fitting punishment for it. And we can't say that he didn't try to look for Naku's innocence. He questioned and threatened the goonday that were caught. Everyone speaks the Truth once he's finished with them but they still turned around and blamed Naku.
Now who would want to frame Naku anyways? He doesn't know anyone who has a dushmani with her! And why would they? It's NAKU she's just a maid in his house!
But she still has no motive for doing any of this! Until her mother reveals that Naku loves him. Well! There's a motive! people have betrayed people for less than love!
But she's still betrayed him so he decides to kill her. But because he is attached to her he realises that he can't.
But he can't let her get away with it. Why should Naku be able to leave with no punishment? Throwing her out isn't punishment enough! What about him? Is he to live with this Betrayal all his life? Feel this anger and hatred and hurt all his life on his own? No! If he's living in hell Naku will have to live here with him! She can't just leave him here stuck with all this grief and anger and betrayal!
So he will make Naku suffer just as he is suffering!
So. I mean if I watch that Faceoff Scene THAT'S what I get from it. He's still attached to her. I mean instead of getting on with the "punishment" whatever it is, he's standing there telling her about how betrayed he feels! How much she's hurt him and how angry he is! Good grief. The man is opening up to her again.
*Head Desk*
But the Gadha doesn't seem to realise what he's doing! And obviously he won't because he's all filled with these volatile emotions!

Exactly! He thinks he is punishing her by isolating her or pushing her away, but in reality he is pulling her close (literally and figuratively). He is totally contradicting his words with his actions! I can only imagine how confused Naku feels.
The guy needs to get away from Naku and from everyone so that he can just stop and think. Because he said to Naku whenever he sees her he feels Hatred for her because she just reminds him of her betrayal. BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM HER.
Gadha kahin ka.... if he doesn't stay away he'll just keep hating her and get angrier.
Its a bloody vicious circle he's stuck in if you ask me.

YUP! He is unable to leave her alone, more so now than ever before. Even before he used to seek her out to tell her about his problems, etc but now she will be around him constantly and he LIKES it. He is pulling the noose around her neck and yet at the same time, loosening it.
And Naku staying quiet isn't really helping in my opinion. Her silence is just making him angrier.
She should start talking about their Dosti again. That'll make him want to get away from her. He had to stop her talking about that the last time because it was really affecting him.

Yeah I don't like her silence because it is only confirming her guilt in his eyes. I think the roles have been reversed. Before she was the talker and he the listener, she used to be obsessed with him and now it is the other way around. But if she wants the conflict to be resolved soon then she should speak. Or if she likes the push-pull relationship, and the angst-filled tension, then she will just stay quiet.
Look basically I understand where the man is coming from. Plus it doesn't help that he's crossed the line into Psychopathic Territory. He needs to calm down.
Someone said that he is similar to Lord Shiva where he angers easily and only Parvati can calm him down. Well. To him right now it looks like Parvati has betrayed him. If the one person who can calm him is the one who in his mind has betrayed him then.... damn. We're in for a Looooong night.
Aisha xxx😉

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: thornewood9

Okay I'm back. Right here's what I think.
First of all we always knew that Dutta has an extremely volatile nature. The way he beat the crap outta Morey and Deshmukh is an example. However those people were strangers to him.
Because Dutta is so passionate in his nature, he feels emotions in great extremes. I mean he only knew Naku for a short while but in that time he became extremely attached to her, he told her everything that he hasn't told anyone in ten years. So to find out that Naku has betrayed him would make him react in an extreme manner. Which he did. He married her to exact his revenge on her.
Now is this justified?
Well obviously it's not for a normal person but Dutta is not a normal person. In his world view Betrayal is the worst thing you could ever do and death is a fitting punishment for it. And we can't say that he didn't try to look for Naku's innocence. He questioned and threatened the goonday that were caught. Everyone speaks the Truth once he's finished with them but they still turned around and blamed Naku.
Now who would want to frame Naku anyways? He doesn't know anyone who has a dushmani with her! And why would they? It's NAKU she's just a maid in his house!
But she still has no motive for doing any of this! Until her mother reveals that Naku loves him. Well! There's a motive! people have betrayed people for less than love!
But she's still betrayed him so he decides to kill her. But because he is attached to her he realises that he can't.
But he can't let her get away with it. Why should Naku be able to leave with no punishment? Throwing her out isn't punishment enough! What about him? Is he to live with this Betrayal all his life? Feel this anger and hatred and hurt all his life on his own? No! If he's living in hell Naku will have to live here with him! She can't just leave him here stuck with all this grief and anger and betrayal!
So he will make Naku suffer just as he is suffering!
So. I mean if I watch that Faceoff Scene THAT'S what I get from it. He's still attached to her. I mean instead of getting on with the "punishment" whatever it is, he's standing there telling her about how betrayed he feels! How much she's hurt him and how angry he is! Good grief. The man is opening up to her again.
*Head Desk*
But the Gadha doesn't seem to realise what he's doing! And obviously he won't because he's all filled with these volatile emotions!
The guy needs to get away from Naku and from everyone so that he can just stop and think. Because he said to Naku whenever he sees her he feels Hatred for her because she just reminds him of her betrayal. BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM HER.
Gadha kahin ka.... if he doesn't stay away he'll just keep hating her and get angrier.
Its a bloody vicious circle he's stuck in if you ask me.
And Naku staying quiet isn't really helping in my opinion. Her silence is just making him angrier.
She should start talking about their Dosti again. That'll make him want to get away from her. He had to stop her talking about that the last time because it was really affecting him.
Look basically I understand where the man is coming from. Plus it doesn't help that he's crossed the line into Psychopathic Territory. He needs to calm down.
Someone said that he is similar to Lord Shiva where he angers easily and only Parvati can calm him down. Well. To him right now it looks like Parvati has betrayed him. If the one person who can calm him is the one who in his mind has betrayed him then.... damn. We're in for a Looooong night.
Aisha xxx😉




Right...he was opening up to her again...I mean after he thinks she has used the knowledge she has abt him and betrayed him...yet he's opening up to her AGAIN! What's with him?

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