Teach your children Well

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I borrowed the title from a Bob Dylan song one of my favorites. However, the gist I want to write today is from a poem by Dorothy Nolte called Children Learn what they Live.

Today, I am not going to talk about the episode as such but only about Karna character as it is depicted in this show and todays show.

Here are the lines of the Poem and my thoughts on it as it pertains to the Karna our Doomed Hero

If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.

Karna was criticized today but none other than his father, who made him bow his head in front of the princely clan. Karna broke free the arrows which surrounded him with bare hands strode towards Arjuna and challenged only to be made small by none other than his father who made him feel shame , put him in his place and thereby broke his confidence and made him feel guilty

If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.

Arjuna the great warrior is hostile towards Karna, why is it because Arjun feels threatened or is it stemming from something else? To me it seemed that is stemming from fear that he will be dethroned as the greatest Dhanurdhar and combined with Uruvi's fascination for his arch enemy makes him Hostile and when he is Hostile Karna just has to fight. I liked what he told Arjuna today that after Surya Namaskar he would have granted Arjuna whatever he asked but Arjuna just asked for War.

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.

Karna has been constantly criticized as SutPutra ( I think Arjuna has to tone down this word a little!) so Karna condemns he condemns what the pandavas stand for because him being born a SutPutra was not his fault...but a mothers who sent him afloat because she could not bear ridicule.

If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.

Here even though it is not depicted blatantly I always felt that Kunti love towards Karna was more guilt mixed with Pity. It may be just me but that is my thought so even though Karna shows bravado when it comes to fighting he does not seem very confident of himself.

If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.

Acceptance that was what Duryodhan gave Karna and because of that Karna has started to Love Duryodhana it is his own form of love but Love nevertheless which binds him in this Loyalty towards the Man who extended his arm in friendship/acceptance.

There are many more lines of the Poem but the above I thought was apt and took the creative liberty of using these for the ADULT Karna

I am not going to speak much about the episode or acting or lack of it today other than above.
Here is the full poem in case you have not come across it. This is one of my favorites along with the Bob Dylan song.

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.
By Dorothy Law Nolte
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Nice poem and post.👍🏼.. Childhood is critical part of one's life.. nurturing it well is so important
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Posted: 6 years ago
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It has been moved to here, as asked by many. I hope Gemini doesn't mind.
Edited by Brahmaputra - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Jamy 😆😆 this one deserved separate post..😆, I don't mind this uruvi dumping karn and marrying Arjun..😛.. brilliant analysis..👏👏 and that you brought a look alike of uruvi😲
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Damn. Good one.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Babe, make a separate post plzzz.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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My dear Sabita,


This is a truly fabulous post, which deserved three rounds of applause.👏👏👏 And a sensitive, perceptive take on Karna.

I would have liked to write in more detail, but that shall be for tomorrow, when I can manage it. I too, like Jamy, don't agree with the pity part. I can, however, understand the temptation, given this wonderful poem, for you to engage in a Procrustean exercise of fitting Karna into as many 0f Dorothy Law Nolte's lines as you could!😉

Shyamala Aunty
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Dear Jamy,

Let me join the swelling chorus and request you to do a separate post on this. You are cramped, trying to fit your imagination, that invariably runs riot, into a response to a post!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

What a beautiful and insightful post!👏 👏 👏

I have nothing more to add. Since I am too lazy to make a separate thread, I shall post a few bits on yesterday's episode. I was given fair warning before watching it. I expected more stupidity than I saw on screen. It was an okay okay episode, mostly dragging. [Am I allowed to mention that word?]

Urvi so lost in Karna's magical words! Does any woman ever do that?😕

And what was Arjuna doing taking her to Kunti than Pukeya? [CVs, learn the spelling and pronunciation. It is PUKEYA, not Pukhiya]

Kunti [seeing ArVi] - haye mere laadla, toh tu ne finally kar diya...

Arjuna - 😲 par maa, yeh woh...

Kunti - 😆 ab kya yeh yeh woh woh... main sab samajh gayi. [then calling her servant] Cucumberi, oh Cucumberi, bring my Aarti.😃

Urvi - 😡 😡Aarti? Arjun, you cheat! Tune shaadi kar li?

Arjuna - 😲 😲 😲 no, nahin. Yeh who...

Urvi - 😡 😡 main sab samajh gayi. This is why you told let us go and meet my mothershree'.

Arjuna 😲 par Urvi, tu meri baat toh sun le!

Urvi - 🤬no ways. I don't listen to anyone's view except mine. It is better to die in Karna's kaaraagaar than in your baahon ki darmiyaan! Waise bhi toh kaise bola usne 'yeh meri bandi hai'. Kinna sexy tha uske awaaz. I have never seen anyone falling unconscious so sexily!

Arjuna - 😭 Urvi, please don't do this. I am begging you like Pip in Great Expectations.

Urvi - Then I am saying this like Estella. Tell your Miss Havisham to keep her Aarti inside. I AM GOING to that Drummle!😡

At this point, most Karna lovers are mooning over Kinshuk's Arjuna, and I must say it is much closer to the one in original. He feels so real. How badly I want her to dump Karna and live happily married ever after with Arjuna.

I could understand Adhiratha's point. King or no King, he didn't bring up his son to behave like that. Rather than pity, these scenes of Karna show more, to me at least, his one quality, the one that made him famous and the one that got killed him - 'steadfastness in his resolutions'. It says more about his beliefs than pity. I see it this way. It was against his integrity to act beyond that steadfastness, and that was why he couldn't kill Arjuna. [the nagastra scene]

The most beautiful part was Bhaanumati. For a king who kills, she is a queen who eats that! I love her, more than Urvi.

NOW A FEW INTERESTING FACTS.

One of the most beautiful Indian palaces ever.


5000 years ago, Angel falls, which today is in Venezuela, was just behind Hastinapura Palace.







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Edited by mnx12 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Thank you all for liking my post
@jamy I don't mind at all please call me Sabita
@ aunty yes the pity part was a bit of a stretch chalk it to creative liberty 😉

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