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Posted: 9 years ago
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To sum up we can say that Uttu was the perfect choice for Dhruv's role...real and reel he is the same. Coward , back stabber, jealous of Parth's success...and that is the reason why he was able to play Dhruv so efficiently...😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: i-love-manan

To sum up we can say that Uttu was the perfect choice for Dhruv's role...real and reel he is the same. Coward , back stabber, jealous of Parth's success...and that is the reason why he was able to play Dhruv so efficiently...😉

Its not like.that.. Eventhough his characters matched.onscreen n.offscreen still he couldnt act properly.. His dialogue delivery and facial expression was very poor.. His acting was improving slower thab snail...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Utkarsh gupta is acting like a roadside dog which goes to the side where he can find food.. #WeStandByParth because he is not wrong and voice mimic toh koi v krta hai and for creature like vg its not hard too.. And how can we forget those actors who are speaking against him, let me tell you they are the biggest opportunist taking advantages of the situation..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hail Ho!!
Finally we have a lawyer who can clear my lil doubt...Its an article that i read..In that,it is said if you create a group(whatsapp,facebook and whatever) and in that 'just-to-talk-dirty' group,if these kind of vulgar comments are passed on any one especially women(there are many other offenses too),then you can be charged with defamation right??
May be you were too busy to notice that...
If you ask your friends to pay for your parties,shoes and blah...and still ask him to pay 5 lakh,wooow,thats ok then right???Take everything and file a case against him,too good man *slow clap*...
I'm not a Parth hater but i'm against them for calling girls "wh**es" ...Not just Parth but Utkarsh and Karan too...
But as everyone is saying lets "waiting for karma to pay off "
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: koochiepoo

Hail Ho!!

Finally we have a lawyer who can clear my lil doubt...Its an article that i read..In that,it is said if you create a group(whatsapp,facebook and whatever) and in that 'just-to-talk-dirty' group,if these kind of vulgar comments are passed on any one especially women(there are many other offenses too),then you can be charged with defamation right??
May be you were too busy to notice that...
If you ask your friends to pay for your parties,shoes and blah...and still ask him to pay 5 lakh,wooow,thats ok then right???Take everything and file a case against him,too good man *slow clap*...
I'm not a Parth hater but i'm against them for calling girls "wh**es" ...Not just Parth but Utkarsh and Karan too...
But as everyone is saying lets "waiting for karma to pay off "



@Red: Private groups are meant to be private. You cannot be charged for defamation simply because you talk bad about someone. Only if you purposefully spread that message of hate with the intention of defaming and hurting their reputation...like VG did with Parth. Parth/Karan/Utkarsh can't be charged for defamation for speaking ad about someone in that group as it was private. You can judge them on their stupidity but you can't charge them legally.

@Pink: Asking your finds to pay for your things is one thing. Asking for pay for work done is something else. When you do a job you sign a contract which states you will be paid, if you don't pay , you are in breach of that contract. That is a criminal offense. You arrangements with friends have nothing to do with contracts- again, you may think badly if him, but this is two very different things.

@Blue: Calling girls such names is definitely a bad thing. And he most probably said some bad stuff about her at some time. I'm sure she said bad things about him too. But the issue here is not him calling her bad words- it's molestation, blackmail, non payment of dues and defamation. Again very different things.



I just thought I would give some legal explanations for the points you brought out, as you had asked. Again, there are two separate things at issue here- legal issues and the issues brought out by VG to distract form the legal issues. I am definitely not a Parthian, anyone who knows me knows that. But this is an issue about one person being targeted by a whole lot of big powerful people because he dared to speak out. He deserves support. He may not be the best person and he has a lot of flaws, but in this issue and in what he is claiming he deserves support- because everything that happened stands to prove his point about intimidation and harassment.

Sorry if I spoke too much.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: RomComFan



@Red: Private groups are meant to be private. You cannot be charged for defamation simply because you talk bad about someone. Only if you purposefully spread that message of hate with the intention of defaming and hurting their reputation...like VG did with Parth. Parth/Karan/Utkarsh can't be charged for defamation for speaking ad about someone in that group as it was private. You can judge them on their stupidity but you can't charge them legally.

@Pink: Asking your finds to pay for your things is one thing. Asking for pay for work done is something else. When you do a job you sign a contract which states you will be paid, if you don't pay , you are in breach of that contract. That is a criminal offense. You arrangements with friends have nothing to do with contracts- again, you may think badly if him, but this is two very different things.

@Blue: Calling girls such names is definitely a bad thing. And he most probably said some bad stuff about her at some time. I'm sure she said bad things about him too. But the issue here is not him calling her bad words- it's molestation, blackmail, non payment of dues and defamation. Again very different things.



I just thought I would give some legal explanations for the points you brought out, as you had asked. Again, there are two separate things at issue here- legal issues and the issues brought out by VG to distract form the legal issues. I am definitely not a Parthian, anyone who knows me knows that. But this is an issue about one person being targeted by a whole lot of big powerful people because he dared to speak out. He deserves support. He may not be the best person and he has a lot of flaws, but in this issue and in what he is claiming he deserves support- because everything that happened stands to prove his point about intimidation and harassment.

Sorry if I spoke too much.


Whether the group is private or public,if lewd comments are passed on anyone then it can charged with defamation...There are many cases going on like that.
About the money issue,i intended only the moral side..not the legal.
Calling girls and boys names in private and public both are unethical.
I know the cases are different but i just replied to the post.
When one person is targeted even by his once best friends,it should have some truth behind it. Its not simply out of jealousy...
And you haven't spoken too much
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: koochiepoo

Whether the group is private or public,if lewd comments are passed on anyone then it can charged with defamation...There are many cases going on like that.
About the money issue,i intended only the moral side..not the legal.
Calling girls and boys names in private and public both are unethical.
I know the cases are different but i just replied to the post.
When one person is targeted even by his once best friends,it should have some truth behind it. Its not simply out of jealousy...
And you haven't spoken too much


If a guy uses verbally abuses a girl then.it is a crime and he can be sent to jail for 3 yrs but the other way around is not possible... In India a guy cannot file a complaint says that a.girl verballu or physically abused her... There.is no law to punish that girl...

Calling names is unethical but if we go by ethics and moral in todays world 80% of the people including you and me at some point of time must have done something unethical... Nobody is perfect... According ro girls then 99% of the guys are unethical...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: koochiepoo

Whether the group is private or public,if lewd comments are passed on anyone then it can charged with defamation...There are many cases going on like that.
About the money issue,i intended only the moral side..not the legal.
Calling girls and boys names in private and public both are unethical.
I know the cases are different but i just replied to the post.
When one person is targeted even by his once best friends,it should have some truth behind it. Its not simply out of jealousy...
And you haven't spoken too much



Firstly I have to say I am not very familiar with the codes of the Indian legal system,my basis is mostly the English legal system on which the majority of Indian law is based. As most of this is basic legal theory I think it may be applicable to this situation. If I am wrong, I apologize.

@ Red: Ok, I can understand what you are talking about but there is not much room for a case here simply because in order to prove a defamatory statement as such, you need to prove that it was said with the malicious intent that was meant to damage reputation. With public figures this is more difficult because everyone talks about them. I don't want to get too detailed because it's boring, but what I can say is that intention and the desire to destroy a person's reputation cannot be argued very successfully when it is a private discussion. You can file a lot of cases if you have money, but you cannot win a case unless you can prove it. So yes, though there statements are very hurtful and stupid there isn't much chance for them to prove it because it doesn't meet the requirements of proof, that's all I meant to say.

@Pink: The morality issue on the money, I suppose I understand. But PS is talking about the professional issue on it. They don't connect. If there is proof that PS took advantage of VG's generosity personally, that says more about both their character and about whatever understanding they had. I can't discuss that because I don't know either of them personally enough to judge or speak on that.

@Blue: The name calling, unethical is a bit strong but i understand your point, however, we all say things in frustration to each other and about each other. Probably not the same words but still unkind words, do we always mean them? I know I don't. And if someone judged me by the things I said in my private SNS chats that I am having with people I think I can trust the picture they would get of me would be false. Because you don't know what I was going through that day, you can't tell if I was joking, you don't know why I am talking like that. You don't know the motive or intention behind those words, in order to know that, you need to be there... or to speak to the person that has made such comments to come to an understanding on your own. Again, I understand what you are trying to say, but I think it's a bit strong. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

In the end, again I say, the WA controversy is one thing- the main issue is something completely different. There are various reasons people are being so supportive of him, but the issues pointed out in his legal notice is the main reason for those of us who aren't 'Parthians.'

Trespassing, molestation, mental torture, non payment of dues, coercion, blackmail etc ...there are a multitude of facts that are claimed. And these are not easy claims, they are very serious and very difficult to prove without evidence. I doubt that he filed his claim without feeling that he had the evidence to prove his points. And if you observe the harassment and bullying tactics being used just in SNS since this whole thing started you might see that there may be some truth to the claims.

@ Purple: You think that if all his friends turn against him then there must be something there in terms of truth of him being false, and I think that because he is being ganged up on there must be some truth there in terms of him being correct. That's just 2 differ POVs. I am not saying PS is some saint, I am very sure he has said and done some dumb things, as we all have done,no matter the age- but that does not mean that his claims are false or that he doesn't deserve a fair chance at justice in court, rather then on SNS.

Anyway, if you disagree, that's your right. I just wanted to answer your questions and to tell you my POV. I don't think I should talk more on this because I don't want to bore you much longer. But I thought it was only right for me to respond. 😊

Hope you have an amazing 2016!❤️
Edited by RomComFan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: RomComFan



Firstly I have to say I am not very familiar with the codes of the Indian legal system,my basis is mostly the English legal system on which the majority of Indian law is based. As most of this is basic legal theory I think it may be applicable to this situation. If I am wrong, I apologize.

@ Red: Ok, I can understand what you are talking about but there is not much room for a case here simply because in order to prove a defamatory statement as such, you need to prove that it was said with the malicious intent that was meant to damage reputation. With public figures this is more difficult because everyone talks about them. I don't want to get too detailed because it's boring, but what I can say is that intention and the desire to destroy a person's reputation cannot be argued very successfully when it is a private discussion. You can file a lot of cases if you have money, but you cannot win a case unless you can prove it. So yes, though there statements are very hurtful and stupid there isn't much chance for them to prove it because it doesn't meet the requirements of proof, that's all I meant to say.

@Pink: The morality issue on the money, I suppose I understand. But PS is talking about the professional issue on it. They don't connect. If there is proof that PS took advantage of VG's generosity personally, that says more about both their character and about whatever understanding they had. I can't discuss that because I don't know either of them personally enough to judge or speak on that.

@Blue: The name calling, unethical is a bit strong but i understand your point, however, we all say things in frustration to each other and about each other. Probably not the same words but still unkind words, do we always mean them? I know I don't. And if someone judged me by the things I said in my private SNS chats that I am having with people I think I can trust the picture they would get of me would be false. Because you don't know what I was going through that day, you can't tell if I was joking, you don't know why I am talking like that. You don't know the motive or intention behind those words, in order to know that, you need to be there... or to speak to the person that has made such comments to come to an understanding on your own. Again, I understand what you are trying to say, but I think it's a bit strong. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

In the end, again I say, the WA controversy is one thing- the main issue is something completely different. There are various reasons people are being so supportive of him, but the issues pointed out in his legal notice is the main reason for those of us who aren't 'Parthians.'

Trespassing, molestation, mental torture, non payment of dues, coercion, blackmail etc ...there are a multitude of facts that are claimed. And these are not easy claims, they are very serious and very difficult to prove without evidence. I doubt that he filed his claim without feeling that he had the evidence to prove his points. And if you observe the harassment and bullying tactics being used just in SNS since this whole thing started you might see that there may be some truth to the claims.

@ Purple: You think that if all his friends turn against him then there must be something there in terms of truth of him being false, and I think that because he is being ganged up on there must be some truth there in terms of him being correct. That's just 2 differ POVs. I am not saying PS is some saint, I am very sure he has said and done some dumb things, as we all have done,no matter the age- but that does not mean that his claims are false or that he doesn't deserve a fair chance at justice in court, rather then on SNS.

Anyway, if you disagree, that's your right. I just wanted to answer your questions and to tell you my POV. I don't think I should talk more on this because I don't want to bore you much longer. But I thought it was only right for me to respond. 😊

Hope you have an amazing 2016!❤️

Hi...thanks for responding...of course different people different opinion.
The defamatory case valid or not,it can be said once we see the chats and audio note.By chance if someone register case against him,surely he can sued and there are many cases going on like that.
I know he was talking about the professional thing but i was only making my comment on it.
Now my favorite topic...in this topic one cannot say one is right...It differs from person to person..I was just mentioning my opinion. For me,calling name is unethical...it is against my ethics and even if i'm frustrated and angry,i never call anyone names or takeout my frustration on anyone..i control it...thats y i'm saying that its unethical.Its just my opinion.
The legal notice,i think that itself is fake. He is saying that he never accussed Vg of molestation but it is there. I'm not interested in his case and evidences and whatever...I'm against them because of the WA thing.May be its not the right thing to judge them but its just that i believe what you show to world when everyone is watching is your personality and what you do when no one is watching is your character and it is his character that came out now.

It was interesting to read your comments.
Happy new year...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: spnfan


If a guy uses verbally abuses a girl then.it is a crime and he can be sent to jail for 3 yrs but the other way around is not possible... In India a guy cannot file a complaint says that a.girl verballu or physically abused her... There.is no law to punish that girl...

Calling names is unethical but if we go by ethics and moral in todays world 80% of the people including you and me at some point of time must have done something unethical... Nobody is perfect... According ro girls then 99% of the guys are unethical...

What i said is applicable for both gender.I think both of them should treated equally. But y a man is send to jail if he verbally abuses a girl is because its the girl who gets raped every half an hour not the man in This country.
I know if we go by morality and ethics,we cannot live.But one thing i can be sure of is that i have never gone against my ethics but from some one's point of view i may have. I don't know about other,but for me some are unethical among boys...

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