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Some looked for it, some asked for it, some got it.

Peace.

Calm.

A break from the tumult of emotions which just wouldn't go away.

Okay, I think I am abandoning the RagBir ship. I should've seen it coming, Raghav is the older guy, the guy who has seen the world, who knows the prejudices and hatred in the eyes of the society for people who defy the norms of society. His fear of getting caught, I could see that. But I love Cabir, I understand him more than Raghav because I've seen everything from his eyes. His fear, his want of freedom, his wish for basic right to love and love freely. I don't know Raghav the way I know Cabir. Which means I don't empathize with Raghav the way I do so with Cabir.

Today they seemed so problematic to me. Raghav wanting to tie Cabir down, to keep him hidden; I said this before. It was right as I had predicted. Raghav has spent his life in the shadows and he likes it there, he wants to keep hiding there. Cabir doesn't. Just the mere thought of being shunned away, to be left to spend his life in shadows has scared him all his life. He wants to break free, he wants freedom. His talk with Manik gave him hope that it need not be what he fears. Manik assured him that he will be free, he will be accepted, he won't be left alone. Cabir clung to that because hope is what lonely people need the most. And he wanted to share that hope with Raghav. It was only right for him to do so. But Raghav, as I said, he's more of a worldly person. He doesn't have the "rose tinted" glasses that Cabir has. Raghav has so long ago left any hope of being fully accepted for what he is that just the mere mention of assurance ke all will be well, it has him shaking his head in disgust.

Once again, brilliant writing by the writers. By giving us Cabir, a young person with more broadened vision, and pairing him with Raghav, an elder guy who has long forsaken his youthful thinking, we can get to see the two clashing perspectives regarding the homosexual community. The people who have faced disgust all their life, they no longer want anything to do with the normal society. But the younger ones, they have begun to see acceptance. For them, acceptance and equal rights don't seem like a dream. And they want to believe that. They want to believe that they will be supported and accepted. Cabir is that. Raghav is former.

But still, I don't quite support Raghav with Cabir. Unless Raghav is ready to let Cabir fly and not force his thinking and perspective on him, I don't think they can ever have a happy ending. This might seem surprising coming from me, who has always liked the idea of RagBir and was the happiest to see them confirmed, but ideas are always different from reality. And the reality is that RagBir, at this point, are problematic. Unless two people have equal say in a relationship, it can't he successful. Any relationship where one overpowers the other and the other willingly lets that person do so, it's not what I personally like to see.

How adorable was Cabir with his mother today? He got the support of his family and friends, both in one day. Of course now he'd want to work to break free. But right now he's in conflict. On one side, there's hope of acceptance. On the other side, there's fact of being shunned. One roots itself in the future, the other roots from past examples. Tough times are ahead for him.

Harshad...thankfully I didn't hate him SO much today. He can be a crap person but the guy is an observant and caring brother. And sibling relationships have always warmed me. The sense of security which a brother brings in a sister's life, it's something I hold very dear. I like Alya-Harshad's conversation. Harshad giving Alya ideas in dhake chupe alfaaz, it was quite nice to see. But I still don't like the way Harshad has gone so blind in his hatred for Fab5. How can he separate Alya from them? I agree, I chuckled at his reckless audacity when he confessed so calmly that the troubles in her life are due to him, but c'mon dude! Your sister would be broken too if anything happens to Fab5. Either he doesn't care too much or he knows that Alya will pull through.

As for Alya, I don't think I'll blame her for whatever she's going to do, pushing Dhruv towards Nandu. As someone said on the forum, Alya doesn't have any definite goal in her mind. She is too used to being by Manik's side that she can't imagine her life without him. I am glad that she hasn't gone on a self-destruct mode, she has taken this breakup quite well considering her. I wish it continues. I think I can forgive her scheming ways...for now. They can go a bit extreme as seen in the past but meh, anything for some drama 😆

Dhruv, my baby, you brought this upon yourself. Stalking Nandini's FB, really? He's so bound by his promise to not have anything to do with her that he can't even like her pic without thinking 100 times about it. Granted that Alya's call interrupted him but c'mon yaar! You are going deeper with every passing moment. Cabir ain't the only one with tough times ahead.

Manik...

MaNan.

*sigh*

Look at how far my babies have come <3

I loved how frustrated he was, with so many things going on in his mind and no one who he could talk to. Not Dhruv, not Alya, not Mukti. Because he knew this secret was not his to share with them. But it was too heavy for him. So who came next? Spot. His reluctance to bother her was only for a second, he was back in his ziddi mode in a jiffy.

Nandini is not the one who gives in so easily to him. I love this fact about her that unless she wants to, unless she's warmed up enough, she never gives in. She never initiates. She either assumes or senses, and then she replies.

Manik totally twisted the "Standing Beneath Your Window" trope xD Had the windows not have bars, I am sure he pakka would've landed in her room. But he just stood there, not even picking her call, not listening to any of her pleas. No, Manik gets what he wants. And Manik right now needed some peace. And he knew that she gives him peace. He can rage on her or he can listen to her, but she gives him peace either way.

Today when he held her hand to stop her from going and she struggled to free herself, I said to myself that if she'd stop looking at his hand which held her arm and looked at his face, she would pakka never struggle again. Today he seemed so desperate when she wanted to leave, he just wanted to make her stay. He wanted to speak, he wanted to listen, and he wanted it all with her only.

The hug, as we had predicted, it was a comforting hug rather than a passionate one. But god, I loved it. I loved the way he felt at ease right from the moment he held her. I love the way she was so shocked at his action. And the way she gave in. Her arms, stopping at first, then moving slowly. Upwards. Around him. The way he flinched when he felt her hands on him and the ease turned to something more...happy. She hugged him back, closing her eyes and finding her place on his shoulder. The way they stood there, finding peace, getting it, from each other.

There, it didn't matter if it was acceptable or not. It just felt right. It was like finding home. The place where no troubles lived and where the world seemed a better, beautiful place. And when the magic broke, I loved how there was no guilt. She always pushes him away, the camera lingering on her hand which gently touched his chest to push him away..it seemed so significant. We've always seen her pushing him away, and him going away at that. I await the day she'll pull him close and he wouldn't go away.

These two, they never talk about whatever happens between them. They didn't talk today either. He chose to walk away, she chose to remain standing. But regardless of them not talking, they do affect each other. They won't admit it, they won't say it, but to them what the other says, it matters.

7 AM. He was there.

(long one and a bit late but expect that from now on xD Actually, load shedding timings have changed so I am without net for an hour but I do have a lappy on which I can type but I can't post. So freely I typed this all. Ab bhugto :P
Also, I didnt know my topics were this much appreciated! :O Truly people, I am super touched by your appreciation! <3)

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mais, this is your finest piece of writing, you put into words, what most of us would like to express. I will write more later but your post gave me goosebumps, just like the epi did.


Manik is the raging storm, tumultuous, with the ability to blow away anything in his path and with one hug, Nandini makes him the gentle breeze, calm and content in the solace of her arms.

Episodes like this are absolutely soul-wrenching, they make you just want to sit there and revel in the emotions you get to feel.
Raghav-Cabir: I was not very comfortable shipping these two in the beginning because of the teacher student equation, but Friday's episode kind of made me root for them. I am still in doubt however, after today's episode. While I do understand Raghav's experience has made him cynical, it is kind of sad to see him crush Cabir's hope and dreams because of his experience. Cabir is in love, he wants to proclaim it to the world, like any person in love would want to and not be Raghav's "dirty little secret"
All the courage and conviction he got from Manik seem to have gotten crushed by Raghav's cynicism. I want Cabir to proudly proclaim his sexual orientation with a partner who is proud to declare his love for Cabir, I guess until then Ragbir can be on the back burner.

Cabir's mom is what we wish all parents would be like, unconditional love and I do think she would support him when he comes out.

Harshad-Alya: I want to see more of their family set-up, its obvious they do love each other but at the same time it doesnt seem to matter to them if the other person gets hurt in the process of all the fighting. I think among all of the fab5, Harshad and Alya's house must be a real dysfunctional unit.

Manik-Nandini: Manik seeks solace and refuge in the arms of the one person he is not afraid to bare his soul to. Even among the Fab5, except for Dhruv, he likes to retreat into cold shell, unwilling to share his emotions with anyone and yet with "Nandu" he is no longer the Monster that he wants everyone to believe he is, he is finally his true self, the lonely little boy who had to take on this Monster persona, so that no one could hurt him. With Nandini, he can finally be himself, not the shield of defense for fab5, not the leader of the menacing Fab5, but the long-lost little boy who carved his soul with an ice-pick to deal with whatever hand, fate threw at him.

I had written an earlier post and just as I was about to hit post, I lost it, so I aint going to write more, just leaving it like this.
Edited by Catatonic_Cat - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Love ur post!
Waited for this post to knw abt ur take on hug!
U have explained everything beautifully in detail!

Love the episode!
Can't wait for next episode <3

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Mais, it was a beautiful episode & your writing is as beautiful <3
Finally back to comment.

Cabir/Raghav - I am not sure about their relationship yet, not totally against it either. I need to see more of these two. But I really feel for Cabir because Raghav's pessimism or fear crashed whatever hopes Cabir had of being free and accepting himself the way he is. If Raghav remains this way, I'd rather Cabir find someone else because Raghav would be pulling him down. I am wondering how they managed to be together for so long & how much Cabir must be hurting internally when putting up a jolly face in front of everyone.
Also I really wish that Cabir's mum supports him & understands him when the truth comes out. Homosexuality is not a crime, its just the way a person is.

Harshad/Alya - I can see that they do care for each other, whatever little bond that they have. But Harshad's move of targetting the F5 is not on. I wish he would understand that his sister is no different from F5. If they are hurt, she will inherently get hurt too. Harshad is probably one of the characters I don't quite like (apart from Navya who gets annoying a lot of times) No matter what happened in the past, & no matter who was at fault, he can get back at the F5 openly by winning the music competition, by standing up for students who the F bully and many more ways rather than playing dirty politics & scheming behind their backs. That is very low of Harshad IMO.

Manik/Nandini - I think I am slowly starting to warm up to MaNan & actually like them. It was beautiful the way Manik persisted upon standing outside Nandu's house & the way he hugged her. Manik's deconstruction has definitely begun, like another member stated. They didn't say anything to each other, but a lot was felt. Not just in terms of physical intimacy, but rather the comfort she gave him. I liked how he didn't back out when Nandini too reciprocated, but rather he was happy as this was the first time Nandini not only acknowledged but accepted/returned Manik's physically advances.
I like how their relationship/bond is growing & physical attraction is understood, but I don't want an 'almost kiss' situation or the constant touching (like in the precap) again & again. I don't know about others but it does get a little repetitive for me. And also, I find it awkward because two people in real life, who aren't exactly friends or dating, don't constantly (once in a while is fine but not every episode) touch that way until they have sorted out their feelings & confessed them. I'd rather have them open up verbally to each other, be it by talking about the issues directly or indirectly.

Hope I had made sense. I am writing this in a half-sleepy mode😆
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Loved the post!!! 😊
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Originally posted by: Catatonic_Cat

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Mais, this is your finest piece of writing, you put into words, what most of us would like to express. I will write more later but your post gave me goosebumps, just like the epi did.

Manik is the raging storm, tumultuous, with the ability to blow away anything in his path and with one hug, Nandini makes him the gentle breeze, calm and content in the solace of her arms.

First of all MAIS!!!!!! I was waiting for you, you write soo well. 😳👏
Catty, perfectly said, that is what the fireflies have fated. 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'm totally with you on the Raghav -Cabir issue. I'm glad no shortcuts are being taken and there is conflict within the relationship as it should be.
Harshad and Alya ...well I'm not sure about these two. Just a point regarding Alya-Manik breakup,I think she is taking it so well coz she is superficial,it's like trying to put a bandaid on a deep laceration. And it is coz she doesn't realise it's a deep cut. I'm too old to be patient with her I guess.

MaNan...all I'm going to say is that there are hugs and then there are HUGS!!!!i don't think I can survive their love story...I'm going to be a puddle of mush.

Ok now back to watching heirs...@adhira yeh tune kya kar Diya?


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I wrote too much on Shelley's thread, so I must keep it short.
Wonderful post, Mais. Your posts are gems I tell you.
Manik and Nandini. Their hug today defined Manik's own breakdown of sorts. Manik, the invulnerable pillar of strength, is breaking down. He is opening himself up to pain and heart-break. His engulfing Nandini, the subsequent peace symbolized him embracing chaos and the consequent peace like you mentioned. Manik is moving away from his calm, sterile world of isolation, opening himself up to chaos and turbulent emotions where you depend on another person for your happiness. The hug tonight was hardly about any so-called HAWT nonsense. It was about Manik and his trust. His breakdown. Him, him, him. Cabir, coming out of the closet was the trigger of Manik's own symbolic coming out. He is opening himself up, not just to Nandini, but to emotional chaos and pain.
Raghav and Cabir. Well. The noteworthy thing is how beautifully they are treating their track, like any other straight couple. I read your previous observation on Raghav and his jaded worldview and I cannot agree more. He is the Ennis Del Mar to Cabir's Jack Twist. The cynical, knowing man who knows about the world and the people. This relationship will become a necessary landmark for Cabir's personal development. I truly understand Raghav and why he says what he says. But this silence, this paralyzing insecurity will end up ruining both of them. Love is hard like that. More so, when you are different. When you are lost inside. The conversation between Cabir and his mom was so absolutely touching, beautiful.
This show started with fireflies, sunshine and mushy cuteness, when did it become this intelligent and troubling observation on youth and love? And will they be able to keep this up?
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WOW Mais! Seriously, wow!

Okay so I am as you can see finally all caught up and this was the first piece of analysis I have read on the show and it was brilliant. I LOVED the parallels you drew between the two homosexual mindsets. You are right - Cabir is hopeful while Raghav is jaded and rightfully so. But there is this another aspect to this tryst of theirs. One that is just as important as their sexual orientation. Raghav is Cabir's teacher. Now if the secret was to ever come out, Raghav's career would be over. For a teacher to be in a relationship with a student - gay or not - is a big deal. Raghav may never be able to teach again. And that is the only public aspect of his that he can safely share with the society. Take that away from him too and he might as well sign-off on society all together and become a hermit.

And you know I love the way CVs have shown the contrasting mindsets. Both Raghav and Cabir do genuinely adore each other. Raghav's lashing out was as he has earlier pointed his concern, 'because he cares'. Raghav is scared. Scared to relive the nightmares past and scared that Cabir might face those very demons too. Raghav in his own way is protecting Cabir the best way he knows how. He has seen the light, the world beyond the shadows and it has burned him. Scars that he still carries today. I imagine he has seen it all. Genuine acceptance, fake concern, creepy curiosity, pervs, homophobes all of it. And he struggles to to protect Cabir from it. His experiences dull in front of his hope.

Cabir on the other hand is just coming to realisations, just learning to embrace the truth about himself. And you are right. His environment, his world, his surrounding is very different from the one Raghav has experienced. He has a close-knit circle of friends who don't mind picking fights with people in public places and protecting him even when they don't know what they are protecting him from. Cabir wants Raghav to experience that freedom, the one he finds almost within reach. He suffocates in the shadows and yearns to be out.

It would be interesting to see how they work this out. But personally I don't see this relationship standing the test of time. They are both very bent on their own versions of the world and reality. And they come from different backgrounds.

I love Cabir's mom. Absolutely adore her. She is one of my favourite most characters in the show. Just because she comes across as soo natural. And while I do believe she will be accepting initially she may be a little mortified. His father however is a whole different ball game. He is an army man - that in it self should send off warning bells. Also I foresee a 'Parent Trap' scenario arising soon. The brothers are going to trade places I feel. Would be interesting to see why or how though.

Harshad. Where do I begin with this guy? He is fast burning down all his roads to redemption. Everyone in Fab5 distrusts him. He's using Navya - which means in the near future Nandu and Navya are going to let go of him. And his own sister has gotten wary of him too. My problem with scenes like the one we saw today is - it confuses him, immensely. I wanna see him as a good guy gone wrong but he is fast turning almost irredeemable. I want to justify him but he has turned blind in his hatred and soon he will have nothing left. And I fear that day. Harshad is digging a deep hole for himself and when he falls, I don't think he would want to even want to claw his way out.

Was he helping Alya? Somehow I doubt it. Everything is a trick with him and seriously I just wanna whack him now. Ugh.

Alya for her part is doing everything she can to turn back time. It was almost sad to watch her naive and childlike innocence. Her denial is painful to watch because it foreshadows a bitter heartbreak. Not just for her but for Dhruv as well.

And Dhruv, he brought it upon himself. Today when they cut the shot between the hug and Dhruv against the tree, I was hit with this sudden realisation. In his confusion, in his hesitation, in his silence - Dhruv has drawn such a huge divide between Nandini and himself that try as he may, he will never be able to cover it now. His taking two steps back, Manik... well Manik being Manik has formed a bond with Nandu that now transcends words. An understanding that is too deeply rooted to be erased over by relationships, friendships, distances, secrets or promises.

Even if Dhruv and Nandu get together now, the bond that Manik and Nandu share stays on an all together different level. And nothing and no one can come between it.

I love this bond. I do. They are constantly sparring with their words, playing these word tricks, do their little ritualistic dance but their hands - their hands are what do me in every single time. I love his hold on her and I love the way her hand stops and jitters and then holds him back. I love the expression on his face when he feels it. I just love everything about this hug.

It was like you said 'finding home'.

Sorry for the insanely long and late post. It's my first one and I got super excited! 😉
Edited by Couch_Potato - 10 years ago
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Ufff how beautifully u write on scenes Mais!!! 😊 I've relived all the scenes with ur amazing meaningful descriptions...FEELINGS!!! 👏
Respect yaar! 👍🏼
Edited by N_Niya - 10 years ago

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