Shehnaaz turns out to be Vamp No. 3! - Page 3

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12


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Abhay thanks for liking the write up. Actuallly I amvery keen to ask you who do you think this Shahnaaz is? Can she be this sister Aqiqah as she said "Takht pe mara haq hai!"




I always enjoy reading your posts as you have NO inherent views about ANY character. :)

And, the best part i liked in analysis was how you brought out the good and bad / strengths and weakness of the leads. At times their nature becomes their strength and at times the same thing becomes their weakness. I tell you one thing - i never thought watching a show/historical can be so entertaining, came to feel it after reading such fantastic analysis. No qualms in joining IF except continuous flood of questions. Lol. Though replying to them is also fun. :)

About Aqiqah, i have NOT read anything. We should wait and see.
Btw, it's good to know that now you have started memorizing historical character's names as well. Lol.. Great.!!!!. I take this ''credit''. :p
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12


Yes Abhay, SHehnaaz may be a vamp but atleast I hope she will not be a hurdle in JA-JO love story like Ruks, MA .So its OK. She looks dangerous though and has dangeros motives.. Who is she ABHAY, Any gussess?? Many of us will heavily rely on you to find out historically ..who was this Shehnaaz..just a fictional character or she really existed? Waiting for your reply Abhay..
Abhay thanks for liking the write up. Actuallly I amvery keen to ask you who do you think this Shahnaaz is? Can she be this sister Aqiqah as she said "Takht pe mara haq hai!"

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great analysis. The description of character flaws of Jalal was cogent. Since you are in such a contemplative mood today, what is your view on Man Singh.

When the serial started, Akbar was the anchor, he attracted viewers in, they liked what they saw and they stayed put. But Man Singh is as well known as Akbar and yet he has been criminally neglected in this serial.

I would have loved to see Jalal-Man Singh bonding, Man Singh in battle, a love affair or two.Even Man Singh being given the second lead status would have been acceptable, since he is regarded one of the three great Medieval figures, the others being Akbar and Maharana Pratap. Instead what we see in the serial is a daily screeching session by Ruqaiya, who screams and breaks things but has no devious plan up her sleeve unlike Maham. Even Maham these days is boring, stuck as she in "Cave mein kya hai" mode.

But poor Man Singh and Todar Mal come to the shoot, have their pictures taken with the cast members to while away time and then depart at the end of the day having done pretty much nothing.

There is so much potential to make things interesting and yet it is being wasted. If this is the way navrattans are treated I hope Birbal never comes in.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12


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Nabii, we have to be fair to jalal. Why is it wrong for him to understand things when others point it out to him. See even in this forum, you and I and everybody is understanding things better when our friends in the forum are showing us how to see things differently instead of just from our point of view. It is a natural part of life that we need others to show us things which we never understood by ourselves!


mansi,i m not saying jalal shouldn't take advise frm anyone rather its a crucial part for him as an emperor but as a lover,as hubby he should have already learnt to read jo's feelings,emotion without others help..if u observe..jalal was abt to manipulate by ruq if salima wasn't present there..why is yet happened with jalal?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,

What a lovely episode it was yesterday! I had been fearful of watching it but actually enjoyed it a lot.

The best part

Like you said, the best part was that we witnessed just how far JJ have come in one year of matrimony. From the mutual ghrina initially to the mutual "can't stay away from each other for a moment" stage, it's been a breathtaking roller coaster ride. 😊 Yes, Jalal lost his temper again, yes, he shouted at her again publicly, but thanks to the adorable Salima, regained his composure soon and placated Jodha in an extremely gentle and loving manner. It reminded me of an old song:

rooth kar pehle jee bhar sataoongi main
jab manayenge woh, maan jaoongi main
dil pe rehta hain aise mein kab ikhtiyar
koi aata hain...

And the last scene was the most exquisite way to start a long drawn WA special. Jalal is now much more sure that Jo will be receptive to his touch and he is no longer scared to hug her or caress her. Jo has started reciprocating with equal intensity. She is now perfectly sure that her place is now irrevocably only in Jalal's heart and embrace.😳

One more song dedicated to JJ on their WA:

dekha ek khwab toh yeh silsile huye
door tak nigahon mein hain gul khile huye
yeh gila hain aap ki nigahon se
phool bhi ho darmiyan toh faasle lage

The worst part

One more vamp joins the bandwagon of negative people. Shehnaz's raaz is finally out. She is not the (irritating) ingenue I had thought her to be. She is evil incarnate and much more terrifying than Maham. Who exactly she is is yet to be revealed. But her aim is clear. She wants nothing less than the takht and she is going to use Jo for this purpose. She is also sure of killing JJ in cold blood after she gets what she wants.

In the last year, Jalal had trusted the wrong people and mistrusted the right people. Now that he is finally realizing his mistake and changing his close associates, it's time for Jo to fall into the same trap of mistrusting the wrong people. She has started down this path by trusting Shehnaz and Maham (in the precap). Jalal had managed to escape on earlier occasions using a little bit of native intelligence, snooping and Jodha's help. Jodha had stood by him thru most of his tribulations. Now it's time for Jalal to stand by Jo and help her thru this forthcoming trial by fire for the sake of both of them and the Mughal Sultanat.

The Blah

Another tantrum by BEK, Hindustan ki Mallika, Ruqaiyya Sultan Begum. She throws more tantrums than all the kids in my family put together. Now these do not even register in my mind.

Yes, Hoshiyar tried to say something like maybe the SS does not like roses any more but was cut short. Let's see how Ruq's plan unfolds today. She doesn't seem to have thought of the fake preg idea yet.

The Horror

The precap - Jo is again showing "sympathy without thought for the underdog", here, Maham. When will she learn? When will Jalal learn that he can say No to Jo without losing her forever? This is possibly the worst possible scenario. And Maham is the kind who will snatch the arm if offered a finger. She will definitely use a possible patch-up or even a meeting (that she can easily convert into a patch-up with her Jalal beta song) to further her own agenda by getting into the good books of Jalal once more.

The Mercy

No Maham scene!

What next?

Remains to be seen if Maham will turn in Ruq or they will join hands again? Or whether Maham and Shehnaz will join hands. Maham was angry with Shehnaz the other day when Shehnaz was searching in her room. So they seem to be on opposite sides as of now. Does Shehnaz know who Maham is and that she may have what she (Shehnaz) is searching for? Are both of them looking for the same thing? How does Shehnaz know so much about Jalal and his palace?

She is going to be around for a long time. So might as well get used to her. 🤢 There had been a spoiler that Jalal will have to get around Shehnaz to get to Jodha. Wonder what it means in reality?


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice Take Mansi...

Shehnaz is either related to abu mali or jalal..dont no but if she is related to abu mali then her role may end soon... may be after maham and rukku's downfall or b4 that..if she is related to jalal then she is going to stay for longer period...first time I am happy with a vamp who neither wants to separate the leads of the show..instead want to kill both of them..so she is not like maham or rukku..i was scared kahi ek aur ben na ban jaye...

Beautifully explained jalal's and jodha's weakness..how they both accepted it and moved on...even I realized after reading ur post..y am I expecting him to be as how I wanted to see him..but infact I should accept him to see as how he is...he is a short tempered person..wont think twice before venting out...but this weakness of his invites him to get into troubles..all vamps are trying to take this as thr advantage...see how rukku tried every possible way to badkofy him against jodha...How long will salima and hamida wud come to rescue jalal from doing blunders..he has every right to scold jodha,fight and argue with her..he can very well do that in private.. its both for jodha and jalal they should stop fighting and arguing with each other publicly...he shouts at her then expects her to forgive him the very next moment..if she is not reafy to forgive him and wo rooth gayi to he il feel hurt and pain... he il say he cant see her naraz but he can shout at her publicly...i absolutlely dont hav any problem with him ..he cant fight ,argue and scold her ..but in private..not in public...not infront of a third person..that cud be his mother,salima or rukku... both salima and hamida are gud ..so they are making him to understand...but rukku il take it as an advantage... he is not doing the same thing with others..he il deal with them in private..but not with jodha..then y cant jo be in this list...

Jodha ...this girl il blindly believe everyone..khud ke per pe khuladi maarna koi is se aur jalal se seeke..jalal gusse aur ye madam sab pe vishwas karke...rab ne ban adi Jodi... Her next job is to patch up bet jalal and maham...soon she il realize life's biggest lesson in shehnaz case..and jalal too il learn wen he gets to no about rukku...after seeing precap ..i was like yeh kya satyanash..still searching for a wall to band my head...

These two are slowly progressing ..now jalal is very comfortable in getting close to her..and so jodha is..even I don't want to see thr romance in one shot..just want then to feel thr love slowly...that chin holding scene and manofying scene and last part was so beautiful to watch...

One thing is sure... did u notice wen rukku wanted to add ghee and tried to badkofy salima was so pissed off seeing her behaviour...wen salima was talking to jalal then this girl tried all possible ways to badkaofy jalal...wen she said aap sahi kehti hain salima begum par shehenaz ko dek ne baad bhi jodha begum shehnaz ki tarf dari karna galat hai..shehensah gussa hone jayaz hai...salima replied back to only jalal..is se bada tamacha aur kya chahiye..now a days jalal is not even asking rukku's opinion..still voluntarily she is trying to interfear and doing all possible things to separate jalal from jodha..

Wen salima told him that jo is slowly recovering from past wounds his one mistake will make him to lose her ,then wen no one was thr she shared her pain with shehnaz...at time jalal's expressions and pain was worth to watch...

After hearing jo's prayer about him and his happiness , maan ..jalal to saatve aasman pe chad gaya...

Just hope jalal il remain strict in maham's khand and warns jodha not to interfear..if he forgives her then again her role m8 get extended for another one year..

Abahy ..need ur inputs here...jalal had forgiven maham (after adham's death and nazar bandh...or before that itself)...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi,
Nothing much to share but was laughing at your preaching that we audience should practice Self control & patience. I liked the episode including the part while Shehnaz turned into the VAMP.
But on ething is not clear to me, if there was some farman for her (if she was Jalal's long lost sister), then why she had to come in disguise and try to snatch the Takth while she can do it directly? Why she had to pretend to be mentally unsound? I somehow feel she is not the long lost sister of Jalal and she has anything to do with teh surangvasi. If that was the case, she would have waged war against Maham and not aginst Jalal. and by any chance Maham is using Jalal's name while capturing that person? Was that person imprisoned by BK first and later Maham took over the charge to torture that person?
But whatever may be the reason, why she wanted to kill Rahim, the current heir to Mughal Sultanate first and then attack Jalal? Is she trying to eradicate the Jalal and his immediate successor, so that wheh Jalal wa sdead, she will be the next person to claim the throne? Is she by any chance Abul Mali's wife whom Jalal might not have seen for a long time? even then, Mirza hakim will be there to claim the throne, so how is that she was so confident that once she kills Jalal, she will get the takth?
BTW, she was not only behind Jalal but also behind Jodha as she clearly told, you both wanted to stay together always, so I will give you that opportunity by killing both. She didn't say she will kill all Jalal's begums. So I strongly feel, she has something to do with both Jodha & Jalal.
P.S is by any chance, ben is back with a facial changeover? has someone released her from that well immediately after Ruru, Atgah & teh soldiers left the place? We do remember, she was dreamimg to be the queen, the Malika od Mughal Sultanate by becoming Abul Mali's wife. That wish has been stalled by Jodha and Jalal outlived her then
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Mansi,
You have really really beautifully described the rpogression in Jalal-Jodha relationship and I quiet liked the episode yesterday.. But as Nabbii said.. Jalal should have understood his mistake himself and not because Salima told him. otherwise he could be easily manipulated by Ruks or anyone for that matter.. then whats the use.. But lets be positive .. .But why does Jo invite all the vamps "Aa Bail mujhe maar" Wow now does Jalal really need to go to war?? so many vamps in his Mahal itself.. Or rather he should go on war and fight the Rajvanshis like Pratap , at least they are not back stabbers and plotters!!!

Yesterday after seeing Shehnaaz's true avtaar, for once I felt had Jallu really sent her off to some pagalkhana.. it would have saved him of a lot of trouble.. But this show has maximum number of vamps.. And our mahaan herione keeps forgiving everyone and let them have their own way.. She has not matured at all inspite of staying one year in Agra. She has seen all the conspiracies against her,, but yet she wants Jalal to forgive MA.. Oh God what to say...I hope they don't show patch up between MA-Jo ..Jo has to learn to be hard sometimes.. BTW ,Mansi.. now I feel Shehnaaz is not connected to the Surang mystery.. or you still feel there is a connection.. We were thinking that the baby might be of Shehnaaz.. but Shehnaaz looks more like Bens sister now.. Now we still have Sharif,Adham MH, ( who will fnally turn against Jalal), Abul Mali , MA and now Shehnaaz ..Oh yes Ruks will also be a full time vamp now... So many ..I hope they don't add any more..

But the last scene really and teh description you gave..stole teh show.. It was so wonderful to hear "Subse Aziz begum" fromJalal and how lovely these two were looking as if love had brought a new glow to their faces.. lets hope for a new beginning of a strong relationship between Ja-Jo. Hope CVS create magic.. and at least start their epic love story now..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Negative feelings were there to begin with, but they were not allowed to fester ... and instead, in a sequence of four scenes, the negative anger of Jalal was rechanneled into the gentler emotions of remorse, the placation of Jodha and then finally into an abiding love between the two. It was like watching a mini love story unfold within a single episode.


This is love when people grow to accept each other's flaws and do not take umbrage all the time. Don't you all agree with me that it is time we audiences too accepted the flaws of Jalal and Jodha and stopped thinking of these as continuing hangovers of their early days?


MaNsi, Amazing👏 👏 👏 👏 Yes we Agree with you.👏 👏 👏👏


Ayushi, thank you!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek




I always enjoy reading your posts as you have NO inherent views about ANY character. :)

And, the best part i liked in analysis was how you brought out the good and bad / strengths and weakness of the leads. At times their nature becomes their strength and at times the same thing becomes their weakness. I tell you one thing - i never thought watching a show/historical can be so entertaining, came to feel it after reading such fantastic analysis. No qualms in joining IF except continuous flood of questions. Lol. Though replying to them is also fun. :)

About Aqiqah, i have NOT read anything. We should wait and see.
Btw, it's good to know that now you have started memorizing historical character's names as well. Lol.. Great.!!!!. I take this ''credit''. :p

Don't worry Abhay, when I write my PhD thesis on Mughal History I will write the full preface of 100 pages dedicated to Abhay the Great, who was my master and guru of Mughal period!😆😆😆😆

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