..::Doubts & Discussions about Historical facts::.. - Page 54

Originally posted by: Sweet24

This is true, I also thinking the same. Why didn't salim go against this?
Why didnt harka bai supported jodha bai?

Who knows what happened in their family? Its not known outside I am sure salim felt bad and angry, jodha would have cried and opposed so did muz. But that was Akbar the great not Akbar of this serial puppet in wives hands. He was very powerful and strong no one could oppose him that easily. When salim the only one in family who could fight and argue with him without fear of punishment did not oppose how can muz and jodha?? I mean its all good to say muz was powerful, business lady etc, salima was great lady whom Akbar took adviceetc but its very clear by many actions Akbar was the law in his house hold(like he was in Mughal empire) and could not be said no or opposed by anyone not his mom, not his sisters, not his wives not even his sons, forget the daughters and other family. His word was law in family and no one looked brave to oppose him that easily other than a salim who took 30 years to start his bhagawat that too for throne.

Originally posted by: Sweet24

What?



What r u saying ?

A mother can feed only when she became a mother and which is only for a period of time. This is god wonder.

Originally posted by: smile.sara

Not only rukayya it's actually akbar who did this to jodh bai / jagat gosain / belquees makani

...

And MUZ just couldn't do at tht time ...

I m just want to say to ...CV...should not make things unrealistic ... Nor akbar did each and every thing as par jodha wish nor jodha was such a rebellious soul nor ruku was just a looser in her martial relation

...

It's look so unrealistic Tarzan and reformer jodha with confuse , clueless akbar ...and just a looser devilish idiot ruku... What ever rukayya sultan were she was not idiot and foolish for sure ... She must be very screwed woman who knows very well how to play her ...control on emotion and covering the intentions ... Not like this show bewakoof ruku ...

This is love story of jodha akbar so what the significance of Tarzan jodha and idiot jalal ...in love story ... Story can be more beautiful and gracefull with realistic ..majestic ways

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Jehangir was brought up to give equal impt to salima, ruq and muz hence he may have kept quiet when khurram was handed over that does not mean he will not feel bad about it and when he who can oppose and create ruckus did not what power do muz and jodha have. I mean after Akbar salim will be next most powerful guy in Mughal family as elder son and future emperor isn't it? but he himself could not do anything? maybe that is why he disliked his father more who knows? can we go inside a mind of an human and know what he really thinks and feels about something. and here the child was given to his own mom ruq not some other lady may be he did not want to spoil relation with ruq. many times all of us keep quiet because we do not want relationship with relatives, family, friends to be spoilt. for salim also it must be same is it not? Ruqu either was a very soft and innocent lady hence all three emperors bent to all her wish or was a great actor at acting goody goody may be.

Originally posted by: Sweet24

Why r u so much supporting rukaiya, she did same with jodha bai. There was khurram and what did she teach her we everybody knows.

Originally posted by: smile.sara

Prem u just took my one sentence about salim which can be wrong or right ..

.lbut at last u also ended with the same point which I was saying tht this show and specially this track looks utterly idiotic ...this track has no historical proof and what the significance of this track when she actually able to took shah jahan and no one was able to stop it ... Salim may be UN happy but he didn't oppose ...he may be disliked his father for this very reason but he didn't dislike rukayya ... and salim can be helpless due to his father fear and ruku respect but what about Akbar himself ... So we can say many things ...why it happened how it happened but at the end it happened and no body was able to do any thing ...shah jahan lived with rukayya till he could live in imperial harem ... This is historical fact tht nobody dislike her for this reason ... Infact Jahangir and shah jahan were very close to her ... And hence we can't deny her importance in imperial harem and akbr life because she couldn't get such importance without Akbar support

This is just my hypothesis. Usually all women like to be mothers at young age within 40 years old but Ruqaiah adopted Shah jahan when she was in her 50s. So I am sure it was not only about being a mother. If that was so she could have told Akbar to give her Murad or Daniyal if not Salim. But she did not neither did Akbar. So what I feel is since Murad and daniyal were not born for royal mothers may be she did not want to adopt them or that she knew Salim is anyway next emperor. Shah Jahan was only son of Jodha and Jehangir so why adopt him? Why not adopt a Khuusrau or Parvez sons of Salim or why not adopt a son of Murad or Daniyal if you only want to raise a child as mother? Anyways at 50 years how can she bring up such a young child- ok she has maids, daima but the joy of parenthood is running around with baby, doing things for them which requires a lot of physical activity na which Ruqaiah could not afford at that age. So her motive was not only becoming a mother at that age but bringing up a future emperor. And we must not forget this was Mughal custom. Hassan and Hussain were given to different women to be raised, some of Akbar's children were given to other wives and even his mother to raise. So this was custom of that time. Daniyal was given to jodha to raise, murad was given to salima he died because of excessive drinking, salim lived miraculously despite heavy drinking till 57.

Originally posted by: geeta58

Thanks a lot 😊 So much confusion due to similarity in the names, Manbai n Manmati .So, both r different na?All other Hindu Ranis after Jodha, got coverted?

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Yes I think ruq was an expert at hiding her true emotions of jealousy and anger and hatred

But so must be majority of Akbar's wives who would act goody goody in front and not show their emotions in front like a jehangir's wives because Akbar would not suffer his wives nakra's easily

Originally posted by: jodah

here are the answers
its for knowledge purpose only not for any religious discussion please

Pilgrimage Tax
there is no concept of pilgrimage tax in Islam so no need of discussion
it is invented & imposed by muslim rulers in those states where non muslims are in majority to fill there treasury

jizya tax
is applied on non muslim adult military age mens only
children,women,old,mad,handicaps,chronically ill-man even if he is rich, servants or wageworkers,religious people i-e monks,priest,pandits are excused to pay jizya
Ahkm ahl al-dhimma by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah Vol 1,pp 8 ,15
Kitab al-Umm by Abu Abdillah Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi pp.172-1

jizya can not be imposed/applied
if non muslim mens voluntry join military or pariticipate in wars
when the muslim state is unable to protect the non muslims

Amount of jizya
there is not any fix amount but according to verified Hadith non muslims mens should not to be over burdened with Jizyah
Saheeh Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 475

hope i help

Originally posted by: roshanehkhan

i think people should know the basic rules of jizya the cvs've no idea what are the basic rules of jizya they are dealing with Shariya they should do resarch 🤡 Well said,cvs should do a little homework before showing any thing religiouse