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Posted: 11 years ago
I'm glad that he had someone to turn to in his hour crisis , even if that was maham . I agree totally , not everyone can be jalal !

About HB ... I don't know what to say about how she is so blind to her son. I hope they show a good convo between them tomorrow at least . Sometimes I like her and sometimes she annoys me
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Posted: 11 years ago
It was a very interesting episode, my dear. much more so that all the dramatics of the one before it. I see it as a study in varying shades of love or caring. It was fascinating. Maybe I will do a post on it tomorrow morning. I have not felt like writing anything for over a week now, but this episode was special.

When you watch it, what will hit you is the difference between Jalal and Jodha in terms of both complexity and depth of character. Jodha is like a shallow stream flowing over a bed of pebbles, the water is clear and you can see right thru to the bottom. What you see is what you get. There are no treacherous eddies, no underwater currents to drag you in. But there is also much less gravitas, less depth, less subtlety. It babbles on, this brook, unconscious and uncomprehending of any world but its own simple, and simplistic one.

Jalal is like the ocean, where the tides rise and fall, and storms whip up savage waves, or even a tsunami. There is almost unlimited power, both to hurt and to heal, but there are also unplumbed depths - depths of feeling, of heartache,of an ever present loneliness that hurts the soul. There is no comparison between the two at all.

This came thru with startling clarity in their scene together. Jodha is concerned only with herself, and her undoubtedly heartfelt regret is again only related to what she did wrong, in so gravely misjudging him when he was doing so much to protect her reputation and secure justice for her, whereas she was busy maligning him more harshly than ever before.

She has no notion of what Jalal is going thru, of how his innermost feelings are being put thru a wringer. She cannot feel his anguish and the horrendous dilemma he is facing. She cannot understand how it feels to be betrayed by a dearly loved sister, the terrible sense of alienation that it creates; she sees it simplistically, as a case to be solved by magnanimous forgiveness. And even here, she has no idea of the implications of a pardon in terms of the precedent it will set, and its implications for imperial governance.

Rajat's Jalal was mindblowing today. In the scene with Mahaam earlier, when the two are literally symbiotic in their emotions, he turns you inside out with the depth of his pain and sense of abandonment and betrayal. His last sentence, that whether the brother in him wins out or the Shahenshah, shikast to hamari hi hogi , as he weeps on his Badiammi's shoulder, cuts one to the quick. She is every bit as effective, and together, they just blow you away. The special quality of their relationship comes thru very clearly.

As for the beautifully written scene with Jodha, Jalal walks off with it effortlessly. The tired, detached look on his face as she comes in, the candour and directness, devoid of any sentimental overtones or undertones, with which he explains why he, who trusts no one, yet trusts her. The matter of fact generosity with which he brushes aside her apology as unnecessary.

The deliberate assertion that he did all this not out of love for her but in order to demonstrate that no one can malign a begum of the Shahenshah and get away with it. He might very well be sincere in this statement, or then again he might not - his face, after Jodha has left, betrays nothing and there is no revealing soliloquy - but he clearly intends to put her at ease and prevent any awkwardness in her future interactions with him. The relief in her face, and the cheerful smile with which she receives this assertion are proof that he has achieved what he set out to do.

But it is clear that in the whole of this scene, not even half his mind is on Jodha. The rest is preoccupied with the one gnawing question that continues to torment him: What should he do about Bakshi Banu?

Bakshi Banu was a revelation today, and her character took a giant leap in terms of complexity and hitherto unsuspected facets. It is very late and I have to get to bed, but more on this tomorrow. Shew was the real surprise package, and I was fascinated with her. Not that I had any sympathy for her, but I can see where she is coming from.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Ariel

Hi Aunty ! I just read the review . I have a long day ahead of me so at least another 10 hours before I can watch it. Thanks for update !

If bb said that then I take back what I said . If she is willing to remain blind to her husbands greed and follies then I can only hope that one day she will fall out "love" with him. What a disappointment !

About the episode itself , I have mixed feelings . But holding off on saying anything till I watch it. Please post your thoughts on the episode !

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi Shyamala,
While I agree that Jalaal once again came out as his enigmatic self...Bewitching us and befuddling Jodha ...But I think we already know that ..that is his trademark and that is what makes him "Jalaal"😃..Isn't it??
But here's what caught my attention today...(.and I mentioned so in MKM's post which was very apt and precise...)
"... I just can't get over the followings:
1. Dumb expression of Jodha when she went to say sorry to Jalaal...she might have meant an apology, but in the opening of the scene she did not look even a bit apologetic to me...😕 It was only near the end when Ja said "...but I don't love u etc etc...that she gave a sad smile and nod of head...😛..and gave a very sweet and sad sorry to him😊
(May be she suddenly remembered her that it was not another Ghrinaa scene ...but a Muaafi one.😆)
Not once she said anything empathetic abt Ja's own plight while he was going through the whole grate...

2. Jodha shamelessly proclaiming her affection for Suryabhaan to SB...😕
What was that???? I simply feel that CVs need to polish this Jodha...as becoz NO Royal Princess or NO Royal Begum who is now married and settled in her sasural would have done that...even if there had been any such thoughts in their mind ever...
This particular remark I find, was NOT AT ALL NEEDED...!!😕
CVs , this is supposed to be the Love story of Jodha-Akbar...hope u guys remember that!!!!"



Regards,
Kamal


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Posted: 11 years ago
Dear Kamal,

As usual, I agree completely with you, and as for the Suryabhan remark, it would have been most inappropriate even if there was to be no Jalal-Jodha love story. Even Hamida Banu would not have liked it at all had she heard it; remember none of them knows anything about Jodha's previous engagement at all.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi Shyamala,
While I agree that Jalaal once again came out as his enigmatic self...Bewitching us and befuddling Jodha ...But I think we already know that ..that is is trademark and that is what makes him "Jalaal"😃..Isn't it??
But here what caught my attention today...(.and I mentioned so in MKM's post which was very apt and precise...)
"... I just can't get over the followings:
1. Dumb expression of Jodha when she went to say sorry to Jalaal...she might have meant an apology, but in the opening of the scene she did not look even a bit apologetic to me...😕 It was only near the end when Ja said "...but I don't love u etc etc...that she gave a sad smile and nod of head...😛..and gave a very sweet and sad sorry to him😊
(May be she suddenly remembered her that it was not another Ghrinaa scene ...but a Muaafi one.😆)
Not once she said anything empathetic abt Ja's own plight while he was going through the whole grate...

2. Jodha shamelessly proclaiming her affection for Suryabhaan to SB...😕
What was that???? I simply feel that CVs need to polish this Jodha...as becoz NO Royal Princess or NO Royal Begum who is now married and settled in her sasural would have done that...even if there had been any such thoughts in their mind ever...
This particular remark I find, was NOT AT ALL NEEDED...!!😕
CVs , this is supposed to be the Love story of Jodha-Akbar...hope u guys remember that!!!!"

Regards,
Kamal

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Posted: 11 years ago
Shyamala as always excellent metaphors comparing jodha to a river and jalal to an ocean. Nice scene between salima and jodha advising her to be careful of her behaviour in the future in regards to her husband. We along with the audience too hope she keeps this in mind.

Jalal and maham Anga scene is another highlight of the episode. A moment of truth by maham when she says a shehenshah has no friends. Whatever she might be she does love him but not more than adaham and not more than power. Irony being jalal went to solace to the one person who is biggest traitor of them all. What will he do then when this truth hits him, I believe we will see a scream like when bairam khan died.

I liked the jodha and jalal scene exactly for the reasons others did not like it. Jalal mood fit perfectly to the context of the turmoil he was under. It would have been totally out of line for him to have a passionate heart to heart with jodha because at that moment he was torn between shehenshah and brother, his concern was not to make amends with jodha. Rajat was perfect in acting that scene without looking over eager but the exhaustion was evident from his tone which was done intentionally. I too felt jalal was talking more to himself than jodha, it seemed like he was telling his own conscious he trusts a woman, why he doesn't know. His statement of not loving her was made in sincerity. The way I saw it I don't think it was denial it was fact of the moment. He is not in love with her. I don't think jalal forgets jodha has a nasty habit to make conjectures about his behaviour, so he clears the air for her.

As I said yesterday this track really was more about jalal journey thru all the varying stages. The climax is yet to come, what is raja dharma when relations are involved. But this is not Ramayan, this is Mughal empire where the shamsheer talks.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Kamal,

As usual, I agree completely with you, and as for the Suryabhan remark, it would have been most inappropriate even if there was to be no Jalal-Jodha love story. Even Hamida Banu would not have liked it at all had she heard it; remember none of them knows anything about Jodha's previous engagement at all.

Shyamala


Aunty I guess Jalal knows about her engagement with Sunshine as he was there during Ghanghaur festival when Bharmal announced it!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Yes, my dear, I had forgotten about it; thanks for correcting me. But I doubt if Hamida would have known anything about it. But it was an odd statement for Jodha to make - married women did not talk so in those days. Perhaps it is a measure of how much she trusts Salima and how comfortable she now feels with her.

Shyamala Aunty

As usual, I agree completely with you, and as for the Suryabhan remark, it would have been most inappropriate even if there was to be no Jalal-Jodha love story. Even Hamida Banu would not have liked it at all had she heard it; remember none of them knows anything about Jodha's previous engagement at all.

Shyamala


Aunty I guess Jalal knows about her engagement with Sunshine as he was there during Ghanghaur festival when Bharmal announced it!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

It was a very interesting episode, my dear. much more so that all the dramatics of the one before it. I see it as a study in varying shades of love or caring. It was fascinating. Maybe I will do a post on it tomorrow morning. I have not felt like writing anything for over a week now, but this episode was special.

When you watch it, what will hit you is the difference between Jalal and Jodha in terms of both complexity and depth of character. Jodha is like a shallow stream flowing over a bed of pebbles, the water is clear and you can see right thru to the bottom. What you see is what you get. There are no treacherous eddies, no underwater currents to drag you in. But there is also much less gravitas, less depth, less subtlety. It babbles on, this brook, unconscious and uncomprehending of any world but its own simple, and simplistic one.

Jalal is like the ocean, where the tides rise and fall, and storms whip up savage waves, or even a tsunami. There is almost unlimited power, both to hurt and to heal, but there are also unplumbed depths - depths of feeling, of heartache,of an ever present loneliness that hurts the soul. There is no comparison between the two at all.

This came thru with startling clarity in their scene together. Jodha is concerned only with herself, and her undoubtedly heartfelt regret is again only related to what she did wrong, in so gravely misjudging him when he was doing so much to protect her reputation and secure justice for her, whereas she was busy maligning him more harshly than ever before.

She has no notion of what Jalal is going thru, of how his innermost feelings are being put thru a wringer. She cannot feel his anguish and the horrendous dilemma he is facing. She cannot understand how it feels to be betrayed by a dearly loved sister, the terrible sense of alienation that it creates; she sees it simplistically, as a case to be solved by magnanimous forgiveness. And even here, she has no idea of the implications of a pardon in terms of the precedent it will set, and its implications for imperial governance.

Rajat's Jalal was mindblowing today. In the scene with Mahaam earlier, when the two are literally symbiotic in their emotions, he turns you inside out with the depth of his pain and sense of abandonment and betrayal. His last sentence, that whether the brother in him wins out or the Shahenshah, shikast to hamari hi hogi , as he weeps on his Badiammi's shoulder, cuts one to the quick. She is every bit as effective, and together, they just blow you away. The special quality of their relationship comes thru very clearly.

As for the beautifully written scene with Jodha, Jalal walks off with it effortlessly. The tired, detached look on his face as she comes in, the candour and directness, devoid of any sentimental overtones or undertones, with which he explains why he, who trusts no one, yet trusts her. The matter of fact generosity with which he brushes aside her apology as unnecessary.

The deliberate assertion that he did all this not out of love for her but in order to demonstrate that no one can malign a begum of the Shahenshah and get away with it. He might very well be sincere in this statement, or then again he might not - his face, after Jodha has left, betrays nothing and there is no revealing soliloquy - but he clearly intends to put her at ease and prevent any awkwardness in her future interactions with him. The relief in her face, and the cheerful smile with which she receives this assertion are proof that he has achieved what he set out to do.

But it is clear that in the whole of this scene, not even half his mind is on Jodha. The rest is preoccupied with the one gnawing question that continues to torment him: What should he do about Bakshi Banu?

Bakshi Banu was a revelation today, and her character took a giant leap in terms of complexity and hitherto unsuspected facets. It is very late and I have to get to bed, but more on this tomorrow. Shew was the real surprise package, and I was fascinated with her. Not that I had any sympathy for her, but I can see where she is coming from.

Shyamala Aunty


For red
...
mae tere sang kaise chalu sajna
tu samander hae mae sahilon ki hawa
tu mera haath hathon mae le ke chale
meharbani teri
teri ahat sae dil ka dareecha khule
mae deewani teri
tu ghubar e safaer mae khiza ki sada
tu samander hae mae sahilo ki hawa
mae tere sng kaise
tu baharon ki khushbu .. bhari sham hae
mae sitara tera
zindagi ki zamanat tera naam hae
tu sahara mera
mae nae sari khudai mae tujh ko chuna
tu samander hae mae shilo ki hawa
mae tere sang kaise
tum chalo tau sitare bhi chalne lagae
ansuo ki tarha
khuab mae ...khuab ankhon mae jalne lagae
arzoo ki tarha
teri manzil bane mera har rasta
tu samander hae mae sahilo ki hawa
maae tere sang kaise chalu sajna
tu samander hai mae sahilo ki hawa
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Posted: 11 years ago
Sara,my dear, what an incredibly beautiful poem! Padhkar dil ubhar aaya. Shukriya.

Let me share something similar with you. It is by the chhayavaadi kavi Sumitranandan Pant.

Tum tunga Himalaya shringa, main chanchala gati sur sarita,
Tum naada veda omkara saar, main yuvati noopur dhwani,
Tum Shiv ho, main hoon Shakti.

Shyamala Aunty

For red
...
mae tere sang kaise chalu sajna
tu samander hae mae sahilon ki hawa
tu mera haath hathon mae le ke chale
meharbani teri
teri ahat sae dil ka dareecha khule
mae deewani teri
tu ghubar e safaer mae khiza ki sada
tu samander hae mae sahilo ki hawa
mae tere sng kaise
tu baharon ki khushbu .. bhari sham hae
mae sitara tera
zindagi ki zamanat tera naam hae
tu sahara mera
mae nae sari khudai mae tujh ko chuna
tu samander hae mae shilo ki hawa
mae tere sang kaise
tum chalo tau sitare bhi chalne lagae
ansuo ki tarha
khuab mae ...khuab ankhon mae jalne lagae
arzoo ki tarha
teri manzil bane mera har rasta
tu samander hae mae sahilo ki hawa
maae tere sang kaise chalu sajna
tu samander hai mae sahilo ki hawa

Originally posted by: sashashyam

It was a very interesting episode, my dear. much more so that all the dramatics of the one before it. I see it as a study in varying shades of love or caring. It was fascinating. Maybe I will do a post on it tomorrow morning. I have not felt like writing anything for over a week now, but this episode was special.

When you watch it, what will hit you is the difference between Jalal and Jodha in terms of both complexity and depth of character. Jodha is like a shallow stream flowing over a bed of pebbles, the water is clear and you can see right thru to the bottom. What you see is what you get. There are no treacherous eddies, no underwater currents to drag you in. But there is also much less gravitas, less depth, less subtlety. It babbles on, this brook, unconscious and uncomprehending of any world but its own simple, and simplistic one.

Jalal is like the ocean, where the tides rise and fall, and storms whip up savage waves, or even a tsunami. There is almost unlimited power, both to hurt and to heal, but there are also unplumbed depths - depths of feeling, of heartache,of an ever present loneliness that hurts the soul. There is no comparison between the two at all.

This came thru with startling clarity in their scene together. Jodha is concerned only with herself, and her undoubtedly heartfelt regret is again only related to what she did wrong, in so gravely misjudging him when he was doing so much to protect her reputation and secure justice for her, whereas she was busy maligning him more harshly than ever before.

She has no notion of what Jalal is going thru, of how his innermost feelings are being put thru a wringer. She cannot feel his anguish and the horrendous dilemma he is facing. She cannot understand how it feels to be betrayed by a dearly loved sister, the terrible sense of alienation that it creates; she sees it simplistically, as a case to be solved by magnanimous forgiveness. And even here, she has no idea of the implications of a pardon in terms of the precedent it will set, and its implications for imperial governance.

Rajat's Jalal was mindblowing today. In the scene with Mahaam earlier, when the two are literally symbiotic in their emotions, he turns you inside out with the depth of his pain and sense of abandonment and betrayal. His last sentence, that whether the brother in him wins out or the Shahenshah, shikast to hamari hi hogi , as he weeps on his Badiammi's shoulder, cuts one to the quick. She is every bit as effective, and together, they just blow you away. The special quality of their relationship comes thru very clearly.

As for the beautifully written scene with Jodha, Jalal walks off with it effortlessly. The tired, detached look on his face as she comes in, the candour and directness, devoid of any sentimental overtones or undertones, with which he explains why he, who trusts no one, yet trusts her. The matter of fact generosity with which he brushes aside her apology as unnecessary.

The deliberate assertion that he did all this not out of love for her but in order to demonstrate that no one can malign a begum of the Shahenshah and get away with it. He might very well be sincere in this statement, or then again he might not - his face, after Jodha has left, betrays nothing and there is no revealing soliloquy - but he clearly intends to put her at ease and prevent any awkwardness in her future interactions with him. The relief in her face, and the cheerful smile with which she receives this assertion are proof that he has achieved what he set out to do.

But it is clear that in the whole of this scene, not even half his mind is on Jodha. The rest is preoccupied with the one gnawing question that continues to torment him: What should he do about Bakshi Banu?

Bakshi Banu was a revelation today, and her character took a giant leap in terms of complexity and hitherto unsuspected facets. It is very late and I have to get to bed, but more on this tomorrow. Shew was the real surprise package, and I was fascinated with her. Not that I had any sympathy for her, but I can see where she is coming from.

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 11 years ago
Aunty, excellent episode and an equally excellent review!
Loved the two poems, smile.sara's and your's . what a pleasure to read such beautiful lines!!
Everything has already been said, nothing I say will be a revelation.

Jalal just blew me away today! What a spectacularly written character! A lesser man would have crumbled, but he has an inhuman capacity to rise above pain and not cave in to it. When I read the update this morning, I was wondering why he said 'I trust you' but after watching it I'm glad he did. He has risen far beyond her in his generosity, in his ability to see that which is not visible, in his ability to wear the crown even while his heart is breaking and his dedication to his duties and his dear ones, he is rare! This was a journey fulls of tests , pain and great learning for Jalal and he will not regret this if only for the lessons he has learned that made him stronger and wiser.

For jodha, I have this quote:

"the test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." --F. Scott Fitzgerald

Jodha, is so straightforward, she is incapable of this. Not that she is wrong, but this is where Salima and Jalal and to some extent MA and Ruqs will completely outshine her.

I was quite sad that she didnt notice at all the sense of betrayal he was feeling. I will chalk it down to being so ashamed of her behavior that she couldnt see past that.

How she felt that she needs to talk to BB while remaining completely oblivious to the betrayal Jalal was feeling will remain beyond my comphrehension. She will always be the taker in her relationship with Jalal. But she apologized and thats a huge step forward for her. One small step, but a giant leap for Jodha😉


We saw so many types of love today. The love of a brother, a foster mother, obsessive love from borderline psycho best friend that takes refuge in small triumphs, The love of a Saas for her Jodha, that trumps her maternal feelings, and an undying blind devotion of a woman in love with the wrong man.

BB, I do feel sorry for her. She is not a victim, she carefully plans her moves, but she is a lady who will do anything to get some of love, some acknowledgment from her husband. In a way, she is exactly like a dog. Loyal to a fault, one who will protect its master at any cost, knock down anything in its path. Just like a dog that cannot bear to be without the master, irrespective of the kind of person the master is. The path that she has chosen is full of torment to her more than anyone else. For she will never move on, will never find release when everybody else will. I cannot compartmentalize that with a simple right or wrong, it doesnt fall into either category. You can just stand back and protect yourself and let it pass like a storm. She will deplete herself completely by going down this path, and its the best way too, for her.

Hamida, you are a terrible mother. I understand your pain today but if you dont even attempt to try and talk some sense into your daughter's head later, I will not be able to sympathize with you anymore. Anybody can be a parent to good easy children. Try being a good parent to child that is troubled. Thats where a true test of your motherhood lies. No wonder neither of your kids come to you. Because you judge and compare and expect them to be perfect!! 😡

Jalal and MA, a foster mother who has seen him many times at his most vulnerable, it is natural that he would go to her. I'm so glad he found comfort in her embrace. Even if it was momentary. And who understands the isolation that comes with power better than MA. Her grief today for him was genuine.

I too dont think he felt anything other than obligation towards Jo today. He was detached and preoccupied. And he has been through too much to be thinking of love right now. All he did was fulfill his responsibilities as a husband and tell her what was necessary.

Dont know why my posts become so long!









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