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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is not a rant.

Actually, this started out as a response to a post in another thread (http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4730292), but now I feel that of all this content deserves it's own post, so I can hear alternate views.

I've never liked the term"Atharv's Vividha" too much. If it is used to refer to Vividha as his lover, then that's still fine, but otherwise the term can be so limiting.

"Atharv's Vividha" is courageous and empowered and bold, but what about the plain old regular Vividha?

For me, the USP of the Vitharv equation has always been her claim that he helped her meet herself.

So now that the "Atharv" part is temporarily on pause, I want to ask, where the hell is Vividha's Vividha?😕

Ever since the wedding track, Vivi's characterization has been terribly messed up. But I have let it go, because I wanted to give the writers time to fix their stupidity.
That never happened. In fact, the writing standard just fell lower and lower until it hit rock bottom yesterday. Anyway, here is a rundown of the top 5 goof-ups.

1) Her father, the man she blindly worshiped, screwed her over but there was zero mention/introspection of that after the wedding day. So what is the audience supposed to assume? She just got over a life-altering betrayal like that? Nice.

2) Just because she made a deal doesn't mean she takes no action of her own. Make a few phone calls, search online, or hire someone if need be. This is 2016 and you are an educated person. Instead, you rely on Uma of all people to do your searching for you? Someone with even more limited resources than you? Real genius.

3) After she found out that the deal was violated, and he was in fact, hit on the head once again, her response seemed like a total afterthought. She had almost no reaction at all. Forget that, why didn't she walk out that very minute? But of course, drama for TRPs.

4) What was her long-term gameplan? She gave that speech about Tandav in full tashn but how exactly was she planning to achieve that? Zero thought invested in any sort of plan at all, long or short term. I don't know how it is possible to put one's brain on pause (I wish I had that skill) but Vividha sure proved that it can be done.

5) And finally, the best for last. Yesterday's BS convo with Uma. This is not about her faith in her mother but rather her knowledge of her own lover's character.
Chalo forget that and let's even assume that she's incapable of basic common sense (because somehow to her, a seriously injured man walking it off and starting over seems logical), blind faith toh she has always given to her father, and now it seems her mother. Why not extend the same courtesy to Atharv? Has he still not earned it, despite everything?
My biggest issue with the marriage track was that it would mean that Vivi would have to backtrack on her own promise of never marrying another. And if a person can break one promise, then it implies they can break them all. Which absolutely weakens the characterization.
Again, I let it go because of the extenuating circumstances in which the wedding happened.
But yesterday, she broke another one about the trust thing not being dependent on anyone or anything.

Now how am I (the audience) to continue respecting her? How can I ever believe that means any of the words she says? Especially when her actions keep proving otherwise.


The purpose of Vividha's empowerment is not, and shouldn't ever be, just to end up with the right man. And it is really sad if my fellow women (whether they are the writers or the audience) believe that.
Her primary purpose should always be to be true to herself. That is the only real and lasting kind of empowerment. Unfortunately, sans Atharv, she seems totally incapable of that.

Sure, I'd prefer a Vitharv ending because that would satisfactorily complete the story arc. But to me, that is secondary. Of prime importance will always be Vivi's personal growth and journey.
A Vitharv ending would do me no good if it is Atharv (or Ravish) who makes it happen. Those characters have more than enough sense of self already. What about Vividha's self-realization?

Finally, it really pains me to ask this question but...
Where's your courage of conviction, Vividha? If you had shown me that, I'd have remained a loyal (TRP) viewer.

From this point on, anything you do will be too little, too late.

A disappointed fan.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: 13thwish


Hey Amazing post! 👏 And you have picked up very valuable points for discussion. 😳

I don't know your name, but 🤗 from me😳

This is not a rant.

Actually, this started out as a response to a post in another thread (http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4730292), but now I feel that of all this content deserves it's own post, so I can hear alternate views.

I've never liked the term"Atharv's Vividha" too much. If it is used to refer to Vividha as his lover, then that's still fine, but otherwise the term can be so limiting.

Atharv's Vivi was initially used in the context of his lover, his significant other half. But now it seems it has been used to describe the Vivi who has been empowered by Atharv. Yes, the term can be limiting, as if Vivi had no other identity before she fell in love with Atharv. I am not making sense here I guess. Please bear, yesterday's epi has done this to my brain. 😆

"Atharv's Vividha" is courageous and empowered and bold, but what about the plain old regular Vividha?

For me, the USP of the Vitharv equation has always been her claim that he helped her meet herself.

That was the USP of the show since starting. How he will help unravel her, how he will make her independent, how he will help her rediscover her inner strength, how he will empower her in their journey of love! 😳

So now that the "Atharv" part is temporarily on pause, I want to ask, where the hell is Vividha's Vividha?😕

Best Point👏👏


Ever since the wedding track, Vivi's characterization has been terribly messed up. But I have let it go, because I wanted to give the writers time to fix their stupidity.
That never happened. In fact, the writing standard just fell lower and lower until it hit rock bottom yesterday. Anyway, here is a rundown of the top 5 goof-ups.

1) Her father, the man she blindly worshiped, screwed her over but there was zero mention/introspection of that after the wedding day. So what is the audience supposed to assume? She just got over a life-altering betrayal like that? Nice.

It also confused me, that she lets him walk away scot free, she has had no introspection in that respect. The man she worshipped, betrayed her in the most cruel way possible, almost beat her lover to death and she just forgets about the betrayal, the lies, the torture her family suffered at the hands of this man? I NEED a introspection on her part, I know that she is consumed about Atharv and his well being, but the Father who claimed to love you, lied and you just get over it? No anger, no frustration over that man, nothing. This baffles me😲

2) Just because she made a deal doesn't mean she takes no action of her own. Make a few phone calls, search online, or hire someone if need be. This is 2016 and you are an educated person. Instead, you rely on Uma of all people to do your searching for you? Someone with even more limited resources than you? Real genius.

Yes, she is an educated, today's empowered girl, she can take initiative to find about him, search on her own. And the biggest mistake was her asking UMA to find Atharv, the woman who stayed in a loveless marriage, swings like a pendulum, she will find about him. I was hoping she will spill the beans in front of Ravish atleast. And ask him to help her, but no she is not making any effort on her part. I do give her the benefit of doubt that she is emotionally and mentally unstable right now. But I am looking where she will actually take baby steps in this direction.😳

3) After she found out that the deal was violated, and he was in fact, hit on the head once again, her response seemed like a total afterthought. She had almost no reaction at all. Forget that, why didn't she walk out that very minute? But of course, drama for TRPs.

The reaction was weird to put it simply. Now knowing that deal had been betrayed, she should have told the truth, apologised to Ravish and Co and go back home, I would have loved to see that Vivi. But for drama sake, the FACE-OFF between the families, she has to stay back. They are making her look dumb now. And now yesterday sealed the deal for me. She is seriosly thinking about adjusting to her new life? Then what was the point of the symbolic vows, their soul to soul connection, their deep, passionate, intense love? A mere JOKE?😕

4) What was her long-term gameplan? She gave that speech about Tandav in full tashn but how exactly was she planning to achieve that? Zero thought invested in any sort of plan at all, long or short term. I don't know how it is possible to put one's brain on pause (I wish I had that skill) but Vividha sure proved that it can be done.

The CV's brains have gone for a toss after the Ghajini sequence. After the initial shock, she gathered the courage and gave back to her father, but after being in the new house, I guess she has no plan. For her only Atharv's life mattered. So the game plan was planned only until she gives her father the ultimatum. There was KK dialogue, Saude ka bhi apna dharm hota hai. So what is she exactly following now, the Sauda or the Dharm?😕

5) And finally, the best for last. Yesterday's BS convo with Uma. This is not about her faith in her mother but rather her knowledge of her own lover's character.👏👏👏
Chalo forget that and let's even assume that she's incapable of basic common sense (because somehow to her, a seriously injured man walking it off and starting over seems logical), blind faith toh she has always given to her father, and now it seems her mother. Why not extend the same courtesy to Atharv? Has he still not earned it, despite everything?
My biggest issue with the marriage track was that it would mean that Vivi would have to backtrack on her own promise of never marrying another. And if a person can break one promise, then it implies they can break them all. Which absolutely weakens the characterization.
Again, I let it go because of the extenuating circumstances in which the wedding happened.
But yesterday, she broke another one about the trust thing not being dependent on anyone or anything.

@Red- Beautifully put! WORD.

Yes, UMA was on a nonsensical spree yesterday. How can she even claim to be a mother, does she want the same fate for her daughter?😡 I have ranted enough on other threads😆 Ab gussa bacha hi nahi, I pity her. The day she knows Atharv is alive and kicking, Karma will bite back😆

Now how am I (the audience) to continue respecting her? How can I ever believe that means any of the words she says? Especially when her actions keep proving otherwise.


The purpose of Vividha's empowerment is not, and shouldn't ever be, just to end up with the right man. And it is really sad if my fellow women (whether they are the writers or the audience) believe that.
Her primary purpose should always be to be true to herself. That is the only real and lasting kind of empowerment. Unfortunately, sans Atharv, she seems totally incapable of that.

Sure, I'd prefer a Vitharv ending because that would satisfactorily complete the story arc. But to me, that is secondary. Of prime importance will always be Vivi's personal growth and journey.
A Vitharv ending would do me no good if it is Atharv (or Ravish) who makes it happen. Those characters have more than enough sense of self already. What about Vividha's self-realization?

Again beautifully put into words.👏 This journey now has to be of Vivi, her realisation, her instincts, her love and her fight. Am I hoping too much😕

Finally, it really pains me to ask this question but...
Where's your courage of conviction, Vividha? If you had shown me that, I'd have remained a loyal (TRP) viewer.

From this point on, anything you do will be too little, too late.

A disappointed fan.

Sorry for the ramblings😳

Love,
Mayu

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Vividha before Atharv was Papas Vividha and for her, papas right is right and his wrong is wrong ..Period. She was good at heart and stand for right thing which she knew and taught was right. She did all good things for Atharv too initially because she knew hurting ppl for wrong reasons or in mischief is wrong and at point Atharvs words stirred her as well as her so called paps izzat was on stake.
Atharvs Vividha did have her own thinking and stood against society as well as fight with societal norms.

Coming to tandav she mentioned w.r.t Atharv and she doesnt know how is Atharv and in what condition. This marriage will make no sense for her if she knows that Atharv is dead or deal is broken otherwise Uma woukd have not lied to her.

Internet and phone calls if could be made, Atharv would have already done that, if he is not donenthat means he is probably not in a state and who on earth will have his info online.

She is still not surw if the deal is violated because the moment Uma told her that somebody had hit him more, she also told no proper info I have, she has always misguided her.

As far as trust on Atharv is concerned, she has it, Cvs just played it there, she didnt have time to think upon it and they showed Ravish coming in, she promiaed Uma to keep the deal on because Atharv is safe and she will try ro keep this family happy, she never said she will move on. She did ask Uma if Atharv asked about her but Uma didnt allow her to continue and threaten her that do you want Atharv to be unsafe. Her switch fuses of right there.

I am sure Vividha will take decisions, once she is well known of facts and she can feel her Atharv and once he is back she will have her brains working too.

Inspite of all this I cannot help but agree writers do have many flawa in writing but lets see how the story unfolds as we know only titbits of it.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Superb post...and this is the Vividha I'm missing now. These are my bits from over the last few days...

I wanted her to do her bit in finding Atharv..call all the hospitals in Ajmer, use whatever contacts you have, something. The fact that she totally relied on Uma and didn't do anything herself wasn't what I wanted. And this, not because Uma is pathetic but cos the Vividha I know would have done it.

Second, I wanted her to call KK after she came to know about the blow on Atharv's head later. Though it did not mean the deal was off since his death wasn't confirmed, her giving him another ultimatum or letting him know that she knows and isn't gonna take it lightly would have had an effect on KK.

As for yesterday, for me the biggest disappointment was that she believed Atharv could move on without her. The Vividha I know would never believe this, come what may. And if she needed time to make a decision, she should have said that..that promise to Uma wasn't the headstrong Vividha.
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Originally posted by: Shweta13

Vividha before Atharv was Papas Vividha and for her, papas right is right and his wrong is wrong ..Period. She was good at heart and stand for right thing which she knew and taught was right. She did all good things for Atharv too initially because she knew hurting ppl for wrong reasons or in mischief is wrong and at point Atharvs words stirred her as well as her so called paps izzat was on stake.

Atharvs Vividha did have her own thinking and stood against society as well as fight with societal norms.

Coming to tandav she mentioned w.r.t Atharv and she doesnt know how is Atharv and in what condition. This marriage will make no sense for her if she knows that Atharv is dead or deal is broken otherwise Uma woukd have not lied to her.

Internet and phone calls if could be made, Atharv would have already done that, if he is not donenthat means he is probably not in a state and who on earth will have his info online.

She is still not surw if the deal is violated because the moment Uma told her that somebody had hit him more, she also told no proper info I have, she has always misguided her.

As far as trust on Atharv is concerned, she has it, Cvs just played it there, she didnt have time to think upon it and they showed Ravish coming in, she promiaed Uma to keep the deal on because Atharv is safe and she will try ro keep this family happy, she never said she will move on. She did ask Uma if Atharv asked about her but Uma didnt allow her to continue and threaten her that do you want Atharv to be unsafe. Her switch fuses of right there.

I am sure Vividha will take decisions, once she is well known of facts and she can feel her Atharv and once he is back she will have her brains working too.

Inspite of all this I cannot help but agree writers do have many flawa in writing but lets see how the story unfolds as we know only titbits of it.


I love how you always seem to manage to bring us down to earth. Because if we stop over thinking it ( am not saying others are wrong . They are right ,just that you are giving the writers the benefit of the doubt)
We will see it from another point of view and after reading this a long rant I had planned just died.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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superb post
vividhas character is taken for a toss

how could she think about atharv that if he is healthy he would move on, doenot come in touch with her

trust was the vachan they gave it to each other but how could she not trust him

she seems to be adjusting with ravish, when she broke her promise to atharv whuy the facade with ravish
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Someone should first empower the CVs... First and foremost they should know what they want to show... Whether they want to tell a good love story or they want to narrate a TRP story... Sadly both don't go hand in hand ... 🥺
They are juggling between a standard story and a value added story, hence the imbalance...😆




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All I know is that she must rise!

What's the difference between Vividha and the thousand other TV heroines if she accepts to compromise? that's not the real Vividha.

For now, I'll take it as her vulnerable state which is not making her think rationally. She hasn't come to grips with anything happening & then she feels Atharv's presence all around her.

I can only give her that excuse but rise she must!! SHE MUST SHE MUST SHE MUST
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Awesome.. u hv penned down exactly what I am feeling now.. though i did not followed the serial very regulary post may 2016, but i did keep a tab through written updates because i really liked viv's character.. a father devotee daughter being chanhed to a confident woman who can stand for herself and for women ill treated by society and this change was brought to her by atharv and atharv's love. And then i started liking this serial.
A sincere request to ppl on twitter-Please post this post by 13wish to the show's writer/directors that they are leading the audience on the wrong way.. ppl are hugely disappointed.. not because viv is married to ravish but because they (CVs) hv shown viv to be so fragile that the strong woman that atharv saw in her was really a thin layr on actual viv who was always bogged down by society-utter disappointed and WRONG MSG GIVEN TO WOMEN AUDIENCE that ultimately its ur father/society that rules u agaibst ur wishes and u hv to adjust .. no matter how strong cobfident u r.
Because ultimately the original viv was like rhis only and with atharva she only changed temporarily and with atharva beibg lost that temporary confident viv is also lost
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .life_is_fun.

Someone should first empower the CVs... First and foremost they should know what they want to show... Whether they want to tell a good love story or they want to narrate a TRP story... Sadly both don't go hand in hand ... 🥺

They are juggling between a standard story and a value added story, hence the imbalance...😆




Yup, you are right! Many of the shows get into the Trp game and these shows extend the storylines with silly, contrived plots, which end up making the women look like caricatures.

JNDSD started on a promising note and gave us hope that it can be an influencer of societal mind-set.


But these shows are only an investment to the channels. It needs to be watched by A LOT of people. Therefore, the needs of the masses must be fulfilled. They just want entertainment!


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