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Posted: 7 years ago
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KABEER... KABEER... KABEER...

In a way I appreciate Kabeer for What he did to Zara... A Good Reality Check to Zara...

He can relieve her from the Hell He has created for Her.

But I would never agree the way of treating a women as a Door Mat. Fight it and Throw it back Zara...

I doubt whether Kabeer is a True Musalman...

The Promise he made in the NIkkah Nama.. is Broken... Gunegar in front of the Eyes of Allah...

Lets see what CV's have in their cards...

But please End this track too soon... Really annoying...



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Episode was good well shot,well written and well directed and acted .This is the main plot of the story Zara fighting against triple talaq .they are trying to show how women consent is also needed in triple talaq not only men 's consent.The makers are being different here by showing how nazariyas conflict and brings talaq instead of villians .Great job CVS well done
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Jis nazariya aur soch ko badalne ke liye Kabeer ne Zara se kahaa... jis nazariya aur soch ki wajah se Kabeer ne Zara ko talaaq di.. usi soch aur nazariye se Zara ladegi... Kabeer ke khilaaaf.. I am excited to watch, I hope as always CVs won't drag this long and also jab ye suljhegaa, I want zara to throw off attitude like kabeer does. Let him taste his own medicines
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Aisha_

Jis nazariya aur soch ko badalne ke liye Kabeer ne Zara se kahaa... jis nazariya aur soch ki wajah se Kabeer ne Zara ko talaaq di.. usi soch aur nazariye se Zara ladegi... Kabeer ke khilaaaf.. I am excited to watch, I hope as always CVs won't drag this long and also jab ye suljhegaa, I want zara to throw off attitude like kabeer does. Let him taste his own medicines



Great yar... the way u have written is like a next promo...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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l understand how triple talaq is disempowering for women and more importantly is not even how Islam chalks it out and therefore contestatable but how is talaq as outlined in Islam empowering for women? I am a muslim and I just can't understand how it empowers women because I am guessing that is what the CVs are hinting towards? It is still the man who gives it or takes it back given that sometime over the three months he changes his mind. And while triple talaq was clearly an issue of gender inequality, generally talaq or divorce cannot possibly be about gender, can it? If one person decides the marriage is over can the other person force this relationship down the other person's throat? It is not about gender but about human relationships. It takes two to maintain a relationship and if one person, be it a man or a woman, decides to walk out, is it possible for the other person to hold on to the marriage? What will that even achieve? Zaara being upset about Kabeer giving her divorce is definitely understandable but talking about consent' in some topic like divorce is a bit strange for me as I don't see it. What could she possibly do had she been asked by Kabeer politely that he wanted a divorce to which she would give her consent and then he would pronounce it and get the deed done? Or if she disagreed, he would go like oh, so you don't want divorce? cool. let's not get divorced then'? or is she supposed to work on getting into her husband's good book over the span of the next three months? sure, there are some instances of a consentual divorce but a significant number of divorces take place when one person decides that the marriage is over: what the other person wants doesn't make sense because their spouse does not even want to stay with them so the matter of consent in this situation is a bit hazy for me.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: athai

l understand how triple talaq is disempowering for women and more importantly is not even how Islam chalks it out and therefore contestatable but how is talaq as outlined in Islam empowering for women? I am a muslim and I just can't understand how it empowers women because I am guessing that is what the CVs are hinting towards? It is still the man who gives it or takes it back given that sometime over the three months he changes his mind. And while triple talaq was clearly an issue of gender inequality, generally talaq or divorce cannot possibly be about gender, can it? If one person decides the marriage is over can the other person force this relationship down the other person's throat? It is not about gender but about human relationships. It takes two to maintain a relationship and if one person, be it a man or a woman, decides to walk out, is it possible for the other person to hold on to the marriage? What will that even achieve? Zaara being upset about Kabeer giving her divorce is definitely understandable but talking about consent' in some topic like divorce is a bit strange for me as I don't see it. What could she possibly do had she been asked by Kabeer politely that he wanted a divorce to which she would give her consent and then he would pronounce it and get the deed done? Or if she disagreed, he would go like oh, so you don't want divorce? cool. let's not get divorced then'? or is she supposed to work on getting into her husband's good book over the span of the next three months? sure, there are some instances of a consentual divorce but a significant number of divorces take place when one person decides that the marriage is over: what the other person wants doesn't make sense because their spouse does not even want to stay with them so the matter of consent in this situation is a bit hazy for me.



I agree that both women and men have a say in divorce.. but on can't force the other one to stay in the relationship... But the question that Zara raises is that how can Kabir end all relation without evenn talking/discussing with her about it... if he wants to divorce her then he should talk about it with her before making any harsh decisions. If Zara was not happy in the marriage, can she say divorce three times and walk out of Kabir's life??? No that's not possible. So the mentality tat Zara fights against is not about giving divorce, rather why can men just shout talaq three times and free themselves from a relation when women can't do that. And how can they break a relation with someone without discussing about it over with the other person involved in the relation. Just like Kabir as a day in the marriage so does zara. It takes two to make a marriage, then why doesn't it take two to separate. Zara in the first episode of the show states that, if they need the girl's permission for marriage to take place then why doesnt a girl's opinions or feelings not matter in times of divorce. How can a man end his elrelation with his wife by just saying talaq 3 times? Does the women's feelings or respect not matter.

If Kabir is not happy in the marriage he can end it, but if Zara is not happy can she end it the same way or not?? I think that is the question the show is trying to show? If men are given such right rhinos should women. Or that right should be taken always from men altogether.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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To me, kabeer is an example of how men interpret and utilise religious teachings to gain a higher advantage than women, hence why they only remember parts of islamic rulings that lay out men's rights/ responsibilities and responsibilities of women, but magically forget or pretend certain rulings that give women rights and protection don't even exist.

Kabeer claims to be someone who abides strictly by islam's teachings and has a strong sense of morals, but in fact, he is largely ruled and blinded by his ego like all men, as well as his perception of islam and his aspirations that he dreams to achieve on his own merit. He overlooks people's emotions, welfare and their valid points of view all in favour of his belief that he is well versed in islam so can't be wrong.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: athai

l understand how triple talaq is disempowering for women and more importantly is not even how Islam chalks it out and therefore contestatable but how is talaq as outlined in Islam empowering for women? I am a muslim and I just can't understand how it empowers women because I am guessing that is what the CVs are hinting towards? It is still the man who gives it or takes it back given that sometime over the three months he changes his mind. And while triple talaq was clearly an issue of gender inequality, generally talaq or divorce cannot possibly be about gender, can it? If one person decides the marriage is over can the other person force this relationship down the other person's throat? It is not about gender but about human relationships. It takes two to maintain a relationship and if one person, be it a man or a woman, decides to walk out, is it possible for the other person to hold on to the marriage? What will that even achieve? Zaara being upset about Kabeer giving her divorce is definitely understandable but talking about consent' in some topic like divorce is a bit strange for me as I don't see it. What could she possibly do had she been asked by Kabeer politely that he wanted a divorce to which she would give her consent and then he would pronounce it and get the deed done? Or if she disagreed, he would go like oh, so you don't want divorce? cool. let's not get divorced then'? or is she supposed to work on getting into her husband's good book over the span of the next three months? sure, there are some instances of a consentual divorce but a significant number of divorces take place when one person decides that the marriage is over: what the other person wants doesn't make sense because their spouse does not even want to stay with them so the matter of consent in this situation is a bit hazy for me.

well said...
here the issue must only be about triple talaq and not divorce itself...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sammy17

To me, kabeer is an example of how men interpret and utilise religious teachings to gain a higher advantage than women, hence why they only remember parts of islamic rulings that lay out men's rights/ responsibilities and responsibilities of women, but magically forget or pretend certain rulings that give women rights and protection don't even exist.

Kabeer claims to be someone who abides strictly by islam's teachings and has a strong sense of morals, but in fact, he is largely ruled and blinded by his ego like all men, as well as his perception of islam and his aspirations that he dreams to achieve on his own merit. He overlooks people's emotions, welfare and their valid points of view all in favour of his belief that he is well versed in islam so can't be wrong.



Yeah, but we need to understand his educational qualifications too... No one in his house is this close minded and thick headed. In my opinion even he was not portrayed like this in the beginning.

It was shown in the beginning as a neutral person. Bcoz the Maulavi's can external projects... BUt Kabeer seems to be doing projects with Miraj...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: annjose1998



I agree that both women and men have a say in divorce.. but on can't force the other one to stay in the relationship... But the question that Zara raises is that how can Kabir end all relation without evenn talking/discussing with her about it... if he wants to divorce her then he should talk about it with her before making any harsh decisions. If Zara was not happy in the marriage, can she say divorce three times and walk out of Kabir's life??? No that's not possible. So the mentality tat Zara fights against is not about giving divorce, rather why can men just shout talaq three times and free themselves from a relation when women can't do that. And how can they break a relation with someone without discussing about it over with the other person involved in the relation. Just like Kabir as a day in the marriage so does zara. It takes two to make a marriage, then why doesn't it take two to separate. Zara in the first episode of the show states that, if they need the girl's permission for marriage to take place then why doesnt a girl's opinions or feelings not matter in times of divorce. How can a man end his elrelation with his wife by just saying talaq 3 times? Does the women's feelings or respect not matter.

If Kabir is not happy in the marriage he can end it, but if Zara is not happy can she end it the same way or not?? I think that is the question the show is trying to show? If men are given such right rhinos should women. Or that right should be taken always from men altogether.



I have always thought that both should have the right to initiate divorce. In my nikah nama (marriage contract), I made sure that the clause which states that I can initiate divorce is written in the affirmative. So my nikahnama does allow me to initiate divorce. I was surprised that the CVs did not show this during Kabeer and Zara's nikah to raise awareness as many women even today are not aware that there actually is a place in the nikah nama where they can opt to initiate divorce or that in the absence of such a clause, they can get it added. As far as Zara's clause of triple talaq was concerned during the marriage, well, we know from the first episode that the court had ruled against it so Kabeer or any other man who is citizen of India cannot anyways give such a divorce legally, so I did not really understand the point of such a clause: it's moot and void anyways. Although Kabeer uttered talaq thrice, in reality he only gave talaq once according to a court of law and the divorce will only be completed if the couple do not reconcile within three months time.

No matter from which perspective I look at, there is no religious way in which Zara can fight back. She can go to Kabeer's house and choose to stay there for three months until their divorce is finalized, but how is it giving her a voice or a choice? If she is after blood, she can go to court and file a case against Kabeer for giving her triple talaq and she will win for sure and that will keep their marriage intact. Does Zara want to continue her marriage with a man who did not want her in his life? What I guess I am trying to say is that Zara can only fight against triple talaq and choose to take talaq in the three-month way but she isn't really given a choice either ways.

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