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Posted: 9 years ago
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Aisha , grudgingly we have to accept that the concept and the theme of IKRS is gone . A pretense of the impossible live continues ... In its very distorted form . And this is what I am holding on to ... Viplav and Dhani and of course Mish .

The disconnect from the past is there and I am trying to fill it with an explanation that Dhani has grown up and sees the world differently . Is this permanent or temporary , her cynicism and hate ... Will wait to see.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ratna love how lucidly you put your thoughts into words, everytime I read your post it is exactly how I feel but I am not good at writing or expressing it so well. Next time I will wait for your post and just say same to same.😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I like the analysis of the new Dhaani. I for one like this type of female as compared to the previous doormat Dhaani who could be taken for a ride by everyone.
I agree that there is a lack of softness in the new Dhaani, but what I admire is she wants to get on with her life as what has she got in front of her, the man whom she loved to bits married to the woman to whom he complained about his regretful marriage. Why should she give two bits about him and his family
I can understand Dhaani fixation on thhe betrayal of Viplav with Kaminee, cos to me words are more hurtful than actions...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice to know Ratna that you are still watching the show.

For me the reason to watch had always been the story of a widow that found love and was empowered and grew from this trusting love from a man that went against all to accept a widow to be his wife.

The unnecessary entry of a woman to cunningly snatch a man for herself while duping the couple still seems bizarre to me.

The writers screwed it up by breaking the trust of this lovely couple to further a vamp and her lust for a married man.

Dhaani not fighting back and Viplav not trusting Dhaani and her truth about his family that broke my love for this show. Eisha letting go was another reason. And now Viplav having amnesia about his part in all this makes it very hard for me to connect with the story.

After five long years I was hoping that Dhaani would be shown stronger and ready to fight not like she is now ready to accept the lies from a vamp and run for cover again.

If this show wants to be successful then I would like to see Dhaani not be a coward and cower under made up lies but show that if she lived without Viplav for five years she can still do so now as she did to stay away from a man who did not believe her and drove her to the ashram and left her to fend for herself.

Dhaani has to make it clear to Viplav that the blast was the doing of his family and K-Vamp because they knew she was pregnant and wanted her out of his life.

Viplav has to wake up and remember the things that led to Dhaani running from him and take a good second look at K-Vamp and his family and get rid of K-Vamp and show Dhaani that he made a BIG mistake by NOT believing her in the first place.

The NEW Dhaani has to stop his boohooing and stand tall and give it to Viplav and keep reminding him that HE was the reason that she was thrown out of A N ...she did not leave on her own volition. Clear the M U first before moving forward and do not start the second part of your life with lies and cowardly acts. Tell him how much she was hurt by his betrayal and she is not now going to fall for his ... "I have loved you all along " bull crap.

This is the kind of NEW Dhaani I was hoping for not this simmering fool that is hiding her hurt from the only man she loved and creating new and dumb reasons to stay away from him. I do not appreciate the writers forgetting that it was Viplav's fault NOT Dhaani's for this ridiculous butchering of a good love story.

I still want this NEW Dhaani to show them all what a colossal mistake they all made by trying to kill her and get her out of Viplav's life ...and for what ...an evil vamp that blackmailed them to keep their secret to save their crooked necks and now be bullied to stay under her rule and treat them like dirt. They deserve each other for sure.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Ratna,
Nice to see you posting after a long time.
I want to keep my comments specific to the character & not the actress.

Agreed that this new Dhani has grown up from before & seems more confident & strong, but not
enough.
Now, you mention Movin On...If Vip with new wife & a son ( not clear on this yet) is considered moving on, then Dhani with a daughter & a new independent life has moved on too...Right?
But I say a NO for both...both Vip & Dhani have not moved from their past ...becoz it's the emotional thoughts that is holding them back. Vip is always lost in Dhani's thoughts...anything & everything he does reminds him of her...the same with Dhani.
Dhani has never shared her hurt or let go of her anger completely...her own mother is not aware of the whole truth. I think Dhani is not ready / willing to letting it all go.
I believe she can do that only if she can fearlessly confront Vip about the past.
From this perspective she has not moved on & hence not strong enough.
To Vip, moving on was & is only with Dhani.

To answer your question...is she being fair?...again a big NO!...by not explaining / speaking up, she is Infact torturing herself more. She knew about VIPs impulsiveness always & accepted him for
who he was before. I wish she gave him the benefit of the doubt & not believe everything that the
Vamp blurted. In many ways she is still naive if she blindly listened to the Vamp & never questioned how / why??
She is not fair to Vidha either...no matter what the differences, Vip has as much a right to his
daughter as Dhani, becoz Vidhu is the fruit of their love. Vidhu needs the love & care of both
parents. Nobody can take that away from a child.
( have we all forgotten , Vip never knew she was pregnant? If so, he should not blamed now
for his anger towards Dhani)

As for justification, Dhani has every right to fear for her daughter when it comes to the Tripatis, but never from Viplav. On this she has to trust him 101%. MUs are common between couples, but
a parent will protect his/ her child from every possible harm.

Mind you, I still have not forgiven Viplav for his behavior from 5 yrs ago...but just like we have accepted his flaws, the same can be accepted about a marriage...it comes with its own
baggage & should be dealt with a similar mind set...communicate & resolve issues, especially
for the sake of a child.

Thanks again Ratna for coming back & look forward to more posts & comments from you.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: premparbat


IKRS for me has always been about this young widow and her love story with this forward thinking guy who brings color to her life . As an actor I have been more appreciative of Mishal but character wise it has ALWAYS been Dhani to who I have been partial to . Both still hold true even today ...despite the 5 years of story leap or the 5 weeks of my heart break of Eisha leaving ( maybe less but it does feel that long ) .

In the 5 years Viplav missed his dead wife and isolated himself from everyone . Did he spend time thinking of the good times with her or the torture his family put her thru ? Did he regret his throwing her out and raising his hand at her ? Did life teach him about the consequences of his knee jerk reactions. I would like to know but not as much as I would like to understand the transformation Dhani underwent.


The last we remember of her was a would be mother anxious to start a new life with her husband , wanting to forgive every harsh word he said to her and give him the one gift she could offer , a child. And the one shock that she could not bear and still haunts her today is that one sentence uttered by her husband on that fateful day of the blast - Its was a mistake to marry her.

A few questioned as to why ONLY this incidence and not his slap , not his directly telling her about his regret nor dropping her off at the ashram ..for she knows that whatever he said to her outside the temple was his anger but what she overheard was his private complaining to none other than a third person about the MISTAKE. She carries this in her heart and has not uttered a word even to her mom about it. And she did what she does the best - Run away.

Ran away from her first husband's murder scene , attempted to run away on Dadu bua's behest and 5 years ago from her husband and her fear of getting killed by her in-laws.

She now is a mother of a kid , has educated herself , has learnt to live independently , stands up for herself when called names and has a small life. The hurt and the anger of being let down by her husband has hardened her heart and now she would fight him a thousand fights before she gives in.

Is she being fair on Vidha on Viplav or herself by not giving the explanation that Viplav demands. I think NOT . Is she justified in protecting herself and her daughter from agony she went thru . Very Much. Viplav made his decision in whatever circumstances to move on in life with a new wife . She too has a choice to do so ..that is Move on. Both continue to love each other but its never that simple or enough . This is not a kiss and make up scenario. Viplav himself needs to make sense of this . WHY ? Why would Dhani not come back or tell him about their child. Why is his life in a mess and who is responsible for it. If he cannot figure this out then the 5 years has not taught him anything and a lifetime is not enough for this lesson.

Meanwhile Dhani ..kudos to you When you stood up to DT telling him that you are not the choti bahu or walking away without acknowledging Kanak or fighting Viplav for your daughter. You may seem stubborn to your mother or a fool to Kamini but very soon you will be acknowledged for your courage and conviction in yourself .

Atta girl.

Would like to hear your thoughts on Dhani ..Is she right ? Is she justified. Would you support her in the fight for Vidha or not ? GO on tell me.


PS : The New Dhani - SS - I will refrain from any harsh comments. She does the confrontational angry parts well and terribly lacks in the understanding and enactment of the vulnerable side of her character . Looking at her i do not get the feel that once upon a time she loved Viplav deeply and still does. I hope that changes with time. The hand gestures too bother me.



Hey Ratna, a lovely post for retrospection and analysis the current status quo. Just as you, my vote too goes in favour of Dhani. Not so because I too am a girl but because of the atrocities she had to face at such a young age. Perhaps I am sympathising with her for the hard blows she suffered at the hand of society and her in-laws - both before she became a widow & at the hands of the Tripathi family. Somehow our hearts leap out for her, looking to protect her from further harm.

Story wise, we saw drastic change after the the acknowledgement of their love. That is when the story started spiraling downwards with unwanted twists (her ex BIL returning) followed by Dadi Bua and Kameeni entering the scene. I sincerely wish they had handled the topic of widow re-marriage, addressing the foolish believes of society and showing how skewed some of these ancient practices are in such a way that gives a new meaning to TV serials. Sure by doing so the serial may not see higher TRPs but at least viewers would have the satisfaction of seeing a good serial that not only depicts reality but sends a good message across to the public. Not sure why PHs are scared to set a new trend. Currently out of the serials on TV, the only exception I see is the serial called Dahleez on star plus. Kudos to the makers for tackling a different subject.

Immediately after the Bomb blast we were shown a shattered Dhani who told her mother how her in-laws were trying to destroy her and her unborn baby. In her mind the entire family was after her blood thus she packed her bags and left to a far away destination so that Tripathi and his ilk would not be able to do her child no harm.

For Dhani, Tripathi is a bad dream which she would like to forget. This also includes Viplav because she is unaware of the fact that he had no hand in the bomb blast. More than seeing her husband lying in the arms of another woman it is the fear of life of her child which drove her out of Banares. This is also one reason why she is fearlessly protecting her child from the Tripathis and rightly so.

Not sure why Dhani keeps recollecting Vips lying in the arms of Kameeni rather than the bomb blast which killed her best friends, her friend, philosopher and guide - Seetha Mai & Indrani. That was a huge loss for them. After all they were her family in good and in bad times. Not once have we seen them remembering them or missing them. She should always hold this against the Tripathis because innocent lives were lost in their quest to Kill Dhani. They are murderers. Period.

I am not sure why Viplav is not shown reminiscing the past where he dragged dhani out of the house. Not sure why he does not remember him slapping her or Dhani lashing out at DT. all he keeps asking is why she did not contact him. This is an aberration in story telling. Writers have overlooked the script or have decided to treat post leap as a different serial. Why has Vips not asked DT the reasons for his confrontation with Dhani?

Like you, I was glad that sDhani did not touch the feet of Kanak and giving the cold shoulder to DT. In my heart I was celebrating those moments. They don't deserve the respect or forgiveness. To err once is human but to err repeatedly requires no compassion or forgiveness.

As I wrote in my previous post, Vips keeps forgetting that he is a married man. He can never have Dhani back in his life unless he divorces. If he is only after his Vidha then he will have to fight her in court for custody and things can get very messy as he is now remarried with a kid and was not aware of the existence of Dhani & Co., Dhani might accuse them of planing the bomb and some truth may come out. That will sure be interesting viewing. I am sure the writers are not going to look into practicalities but are more bent on shocking the living day lights of the viewers by bringing in bizarre twists and turns that are only seen on TV serials for garnering TRPs.

Just adding to your post script, the new Dhani for me is only namesake. The Dhani we knew died in the bomb blast. The new girl emotes with her mouth and her facial expressions needs drastic improvements. The old Dhani even though new to acting, was a natural actor, a quick learner. Whereas, the new actress fails in the department of emoting. The emotional connection with the new Dhani is totally lacking.



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Beautifully written, Prem! I won't get into Sanjeeda's portrayal of Dhani, but as a mother she's convincing enough. I don't understand how Viplav hasn't come to some sort of realization after his first confrontation with Dhani. He claims to be racking his brain for answers, but he obviously hasn't asked himself the right questions. How could he not remember the slap? How could he not remember how he broke his relationship and left his dear wife unceremoniously at the doorsteps of her haven? How? Dhani's flashback is always of Viplav claiming to have made a mistake in front of Kamini. You're right, they've never shown her reflect on his words or his slap. You're probably right that she knew what he said and did was out of blind anger. He was enraged by her behavior towards his beloved grandfather, someone that meant more to him than the world. Her flashback has always shown me a sense of insecurity. I think Dhani couldn't forgive Viplav for what she thought he said because she never felt worthy enough of Viplav. She had always felt that she was inapt as a match for Viplav because she was a poor and uneducated widow. He was the prince of Benares and she was a part of the most inauspicious crowd in Benaras. People used to look at her as a curse and a burden. She fell in love with this man that promised her everything - his love, his name, and above all respect. What did she get in return? Betrayal, humiliation, and a complete loss of self worth. Life has certainly taught Dhani a valuable lesson. I like how the makers have shown her educated, strong, and independent. She was always fierce in front of Viplav, but she now carries this fierceness in her aura. I completely understand Dhani's disposition. I agree that holding Vidha back from her father's love isn't right, but I also understand Dhani's frame of mind. I think she's not only protecting herself from Viplav, but in her mind she's also protecting her daughter from falling into the same trap of her father's charm. Being VIdhu's mother, she doesn't want her to endure the same pain. She feels Vidhu's father is unreliable and untrustworthy. He's capable of causing her all kinds of pain. Prem, I love Viplav's character more than words can describe. I admit that he has major flaws, but he has a charm that I just can't resist. Nonetheless, I would never support him over Dhani when it comes to little Vidhu. Dhani tried her best to reach out to Viplav, but he was emotionally unavailable. She did the right thing by prioritizing her child's safety and making a secure home for themselves. She's done the best that she possibly could for this little girl. Would VIplav have made the same sacrifices? Has he ever gone through hardship in life? I don't think Viplav's ever had his priorities straight, he's impulsive more than anything else. His impulsiveness is what lead him to his immense misery of five years. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but what Viplav said and did to Dhani five years ago was and is unforgivable.



Dazz .. you couldn't have said it better...Its Viplav who has made her what she is today and not the in-laws or any one else . If he was the one who bought color to her life he was also the one who took them away .

Trust was the thing that their relationship worked on and at the time of the true test he let her go . he did wish to make up after the fight ( Kam arranged for them to meet ) but his effort was not sincere. And he paid a price for it , a heavy one . Not only did he loose Dhani and the privilege to know his daughter but he got stuck in a marriage he did not want.


And What of Dhani ..she became bitter towards the man who taught her to love.

And again I say it is Viplav who will have to take all the steps and recollect as to what he did wrong. It is not for Dhani to give him the explanation .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dazz... That's the beauty of this character Viplav. He is just one amongst us right. So many times we say unwanted things and then take our time to cool down and then go and say sorry.. Right.

Poor guy he was late in his sorry... That cost him his life.

That's why I feel bad for him.
If farhanaz spoilers are correct For today... I for once can't wait to see the guilt in dhaaniz face... And the yearning on viplav's face. I am so much in love with viplav's character that I love him with his flaws... It's the flaws that are so so endearing about him...



Nitya I can understand your love for Viplav coz basically he is a very honest and honorable man .

His biggest flaw is that his brain stops to work when he gets emotional and angry and his recovery time I regret to say is nil. He at times seems like a big baby who at one time could be controlled by Dhani but with her gone his brain is in a freeze again.

This flaw of his is what has been manipulated by DT, KT and now Kamini. He needs to wake up and figure out why his life is in a mess. Till then one can only feel sorry for him.

Don't get me wrong . I love the character myself .. just that his daftness makes me very angry.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: pearl82

Hi ratna..loved your post...I like dhani...she was a girl with self respect always...she did act like dumb when she entered AN after marrying VIP...but it was only due to love and respect for her dear ones...she too had mentioned it...now our fiery dhani...the girl with huge self respect is back...now her hands are free from the chains of love...but I was always partial towards VIP...I personally adore these kind of lively characters...I have defended him so many times..so I will not discuss it now...as Far as dhani is considered..I always wanted her speak up...she spoke only at last moment..when the whole circumstances were against her...she actually missed so many situations that her life had given her to speak up...even he had always encouraged her to speak out...it's ok...at least I want her to speak out and confront VIP or km or whoever it is...I have no issues with her in moving on in life...but I want her to speak ...confront VIP and then move on...moving on in life is good than mourning over the past..and how to is her wish...it doesn't refer to remarriage only...there are so much to b explored in life...again it's her wish...but she Must be very careful in her next steps...I will never support VIP if he had really married km...whatever b the consequence...I don't want dhani to run after him...no girl with self respect will do it...as far as vidha is considered...I really don't know...I can really justify dhani or criticise VIP...but the child can never understand this...I wish they set aside their egos to find a solution for her...for a child parents are always flawless...they r just parents for her...they can never understand the husband and wife relationship r they never want to...regarding dhani s reactions to VIP...however deep you had loved a person ..if u feel u r betrayed by them...it will b hard to forgive them...u may even forgive your enemy easily...it will be hard to digest the fact that the one whom had loved and worshipped had betrayed u...after all love is all abt trust...trust is the heart of love...



Tulsi ...I wonder why is LOVE so complicated . When Vip loves Dhani and she loves him ...why does it have to pain and hurt so much. Its because egos get in the way and of course misunderstandings ensue that can be resolved with straight talk .

I too would like Dhani to do some straight talking BUT on the other hand I would like Viplav himself to figure out the mistakes he made. He is at fault here and he needs to resolve this . He broke her heart.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dolly-heart

Nice to know Ratna that you are still watching the show.


For me the reason to watch had always been the story of a widow that found love and was empowered and grew from this trusting love from a man that went against all to accept a widow to be his wife.

The unnecessary entry of a woman to cunningly snatch a man for herself while duping the couple still seems bizarre to me.

The writers screwed it up by breaking the trust of this lovely couple to further a vamp and her lust for a married man.

Dhaani not fighting back and Viplav not trusting Dhaani and her truth about his family that broke my love for this show. Eisha letting go was another reason. And now Viplav having amnesia about his part in all this makes it very hard for me to connect with the story.

After five long years I was hoping that Dhaani would be shown stronger and ready to fight not like she is now ready to accept the lies from a vamp and run for cover again.

If this show wants to be successful then I would like to see Dhaani not be a coward and cower under made up lies but show that if she lived without Viplav for five years she can still do so now as she did to stay away from a man who did not believe her and drove her to the ashram and left her to fend for herself.

Dhaani has to make it clear to Viplav that the blast was the doing of his family and K-Vamp because they knew she was pregnant and wanted her out of his life.

Viplav has to wake up and remember the things that led to Dhaani running from him and take a good second look at K-Vamp and his family and get rid of K-Vamp and show Dhaani that he made a BIG mistake by NOT believing her in the first place.

The NEW Dhaani has to stop his boohooing and stand tall and give it to Viplav and keep reminding him that HE was the reason that she was thrown out of A N ...she did not leave on her own volition. Clear the M U first before moving forward and do not start the second part of your life with lies and cowardly acts. Tell him how much she was hurt by his betrayal and she is not now going to fall for his ... "I have loved you all along " bull crap.

This is the kind of NEW Dhaani I was hoping for not this simmering fool that is hiding her hurt from the only man she loved and creating new and dumb reasons to stay away from him. I do not appreciate the writers forgetting that it was Viplav's fault NOT Dhaani's for this ridiculous butchering of a good love story.

I still want this NEW Dhaani to show them all what a colossal mistake they all made by trying to kill her and get her out of Viplav's life ...and for what ...an evil vamp that blackmailed them to keep their secret to save their crooked necks and now be bullied to stay under her rule and treat them like dirt. They deserve each other for sure.


Kudos dolly... What a strong post this is...,same to same from my side for dhaani. I really want dhaani to confront Viplav... Or as you put... Tell him the truth and not hide behind unwanted facade. True... If she lived without him for 5 yrs... She can live the rest also.

I would like the makers to show a strong dhaani... Telling Viplav... This is what the truth is ... Take it or leave it. !!! No running around bushes... !! But in all these... Where does vidhaa find herself... And what is atharvaas truth. I hope the cv don't come out with illogical answers.

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