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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Varnita.

@Shivng da

Thanks for Clarifying the Ages in RCM, 9 is still better than 5 Because 5 is Really Hard to Digest. 9 is Still Not that Good but it is Better 😉, And I didnt know that Ramji was 9-10 Years elder than Sita 😲, SInce Childhood we have been Taught that There is a age Difference of only 1-2 Years Between Ram and Sita and in their Teen age they Both r Married (Dont Know Which Version of Ramayana Say This) we also use to think that Ram and Sita Remained in Ayodhya only for One or So Years after Marriage but according to both the Versions, they Lived Happily for mnay Years, 12 Years in case of VR and 9 Years in Case of RCM...Aahh these Things are Hard to Digest for Me Now 😳😆

For me personally, all possibilities are digestible because it's not the current era. For me, the age of 9 years of marriage, 9 years of age difference, and 9 years of stay in Ayodhya before exile - everything is just fine.😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Shivang Anna,

Yes, I agree that at the age of 9, girls can be spiritually oriented towards their husband so it does sort of make sense for Sitaji to be that age at the time of marriage, but I grew up believing in my entire childhood that Ram and Sita were in their teens, because like Varnita's mom told her, they were both at a marrigeable age. Of course, it can be argued that marriageable age was probably highly different back then than it is now, but in my view Sita was spiritually oriented towards Vishnu as her husband at the age of 9. I agree that she may have accepted him as her husband at that age, but I think actual marriage happened a few years later in her teens. At the age of 9, I think Sitaji already accepted Vishnu as her husband but waited for him to come in human work to fulfill her father's vow. I like how ASR showed the childhood of Sita, with her being constantly in meditation of Vishnu and showing signs of love despite being only 8 or 9. I guess we will never really know for sure since different versions say various things.😳😳 But it is interesting researching on all this, isn't it?
So you are enjoying Dkdm?😃 I watch it for the Mahadev and Parvati scenes too lol, but it's kind of slow-paced for me otherwise.😆
@Varnita,
Yeah, exactly! I prefer RCM during the Bal Kand and Ayodhya Kand sequences, because the divine way in which Tulsidasji portrayed all the characters makes me feel at peace when reading or seeing them on TV. Valmikiji's was also very good, but Bal Kand was not as interesting as Tulsidasji's, and in Ayodhya Kand I like to think that Shri Ram knew about his vanvaas and played along with Kaikeyi's demands for the good of the universe. Later on from the Aranya Kand though, I like Valmiki's version of the events because learning about how Ram and Sita suffered for the betterment of mankind by behaving like humans helps me to become a better person myself. Shri Ram being maryada purushotham was more evident in Valmiki's Ramayan in my opinion, because "purushotham" means "human man" and he suffered like a human and yet exhibited all the ideal emotions in each given situation. When it was required for him to be patient and ever-smiling, he was like that, but when it was required for him to be angry and punish sinners, he also behaved like that, whereas RCM portrayed Ram to be Godly even in the latter kandas. Of course that is not at all wrong, but I feel like I can learn more from a humanistic Ramji than a Godly Ramji in some of the events, because as human I can connect with him more when he's like a human.😳 But like I said before, I just love RCM most during the Bal Kand and Ayodhya. The way he portrayed Shri Ram and Sita Maiyya's love story was pure divinity.
Btw, to comment on your repy to Shivang Anna's post, I agree that a difference of 9 years seems shocking to us now, but it was quite common even in our grandparents' times, let alone in treta yuga. I don't find Ram and Sita having a large age difference hard to believe, but Sitaji being 9 years old is what is hard for me to digest. It's better than 5, yes, but like you said we grew up learning that both were in their teens. I don't mind if Ram was in his 20s, but I do think Sitaji was at least 14 or 15 at the time of marriage. One of my aunts even told me that Sitaji was found by Janak a year before Ramji was born, so she was 17 during swayamvar and actually older than him.😲 I don't believe that but I do think Sitaji was only one or two years younger than Ramji, because Janak was supposed to find her quite soon after Ramji was born, right?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

@Shivang Anna,

Yes, I agree that at the age of 9, girls can be spiritually oriented towards their husband so it does sort of make sense for Sitaji to be that age at the time of marriage, but I grew up believing in my entire childhood that Ram and Sita were in their teens, because like Varnita's mom told her, they were both at a marrigeable age. Of course, it can be argued that marriageable age was probably highly different back then than it is now, but in my view Sita was spiritually oriented towards Vishnu as her husband at the age of 9. I agree that she may have accepted him as her husband at that age, but I think actual marriage happened a few years later in her teens. At the age of 9, I think Sitaji already accepted Vishnu as her husband but waited for him to come in human work to fulfill her father's vow. I like how ASR showed the childhood of Sita, with her being constantly in meditation of Vishnu and showing signs of love despite being only 8 or 9. I guess we will never really know for sure since different versions say various things.😳😳 But it is interesting researching on all this, isn't it?
So you are enjoying Dkdm?😃 I watch it for the Mahadev and Parvati scenes too lol, but it's kind of slow-paced for me otherwise.😆

Chelli why are you forgetting your own theory of multiple Ramayans in different Kalpas? So Sitaji of teenage at the time of marriage can also be correct for some Ramayan. Nothing wrong with that too either for me. And age difference of 1 or 2 years and Ayodhya stay after marriage of 1 year can also be correct for me. I accept all the theories at the same time.

DkDM I agree was slow paced and too much lengthy during Sati episodes (although they were of 15-16 minutes instead of 20-22 minutes now) and never made me interested to watch with continuity for more than one episode whenever I tried to watch it. The story was also filled with social melo drama (emotional blackmailing, family member's conspiracies and all that, movie romance kind of development). But during Parvati episodes, it is perfectly paced according to me. It was the perfect portrayal of journey of Aatmaa to meet Paramaatma. If we get involved in the story, we in fact feel the story to be going too fast when Parvati's Tap episodes were going. And pre marriage episodes also were such that one would like them never to end. Despite the much awaited Shiv-Parvati marriage, those waiting episodes themselves were blissful enough. I found the pace perfect because I watched all episodes on Youtube continuous in 3-4 days. If one watches on TV, then one may find it slow due to the eagerness of watching Shiv accepting Parvati and marrying Parvati.
Edited by ShivangBuch - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you for such an informative post :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath


@Varnita,
Yeah, exactly! I prefer RCM during the Bal Kand and Ayodhya Kand sequences, because the divine way in which Tulsidasji portrayed all the characters makes me feel at peace when reading or seeing them on TV. Valmikiji's was also very good, but Bal Kand was not as interesting as Tulsidasji's, and in Ayodhya Kand I like to think that Shri Ram knew about his vanvaas and played along with Kaikeyi's demands for the good of the universe. Later on from the Aranya Kand though, I like Valmiki's version of the events because learning about how Ram and Sita suffered for the betterment of mankind by behaving like humans helps me to become a better person myself. Shri Ram being maryada purushotham was more evident in Valmiki's Ramayan in my opinion, because "purushotham" means "human man" and he suffered like a human and yet exhibited all the ideal emotions in each given situation. When it was required for him to be patient and ever-smiling, he was like that, but when it was required for him to be angry and punish sinners, he also behaved like that, whereas RCM portrayed Ram to be Godly even in the latter kandas. Of course that is not at all wrong, but I feel like I can learn more from a humanistic Ramji than a Godly Ramji in some of the events, because as human I can connect with him more when he's like a human.😳 But like I said before, I just love RCM most during the Bal Kand and Ayodhya. The way he portrayed Shri Ram and Sita Maiyya's love story was pure divinity.
Btw, to comment on your repy to Shivang Anna's post, I agree that a difference of 9 years seems shocking to us now, but it was quite common even in our grandparents' times, let alone in treta yuga. I don't find Ram and Sita having a large age difference hard to believe, but Sitaji being 9 years old is what is hard for me to digest. It's better than 5, yes, but like you said we grew up learning that both were in their teens. I don't mind if Ram was in his 20s, but I do think Sitaji was at least 14 or 15 at the time of marriage. One of my aunts even told me that Sitaji was found by Janak a year before Ramji was born, so she was 17 during swayamvar and actually older than him.😲 I don't believe that but I do think Sitaji was only one or two years younger than Ramji, because Janak was supposed to find her quite soon after Ramji was born, right?


Janu, I m so Loving reading ur Posts elaborating the Difference Between RCM and VR, I Mean it is Good to Know that VR Portraits Ram as a Simple Human Being During the Whole Journey, I already have read WHole RCM and yes it tells the Godly Behaviour of Ram at Every place, But I m Eager to Know More abt VR because all my assumptions abt VR Ramayan are Proving to be Wrong now, Can U Elaborate its story More whenever U have time, in any of our Thread😳 ? I Mean the Major Differences Between VR and RCM !! I Would Love to Know !!

And Yeah I agree the age Difference of 9 Between ram Sita was Ok in Treta Yuga...But it is all abt Belief and Imagination, I mean Since Childhood I have been imagining my Ram Sita with an age Difference of 1-2 and with an age of 14 and 16 at the Time of Marriage, SO it is Hard to Digest the Real Facts !! Btw, I think No one in This World Know the Real Facts, Like ur Aunt Said that Sitji was Found a Year before ramji was Born, Which is Completely New For me 😲, So I think it is all abt believing that How and in what Image we c our Gods, RIght? Though I m Loving Knowing Various Facts 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

Chelli why are you forgetting your own theory of multiple Ramayans in different Kalpas? So Sitaji of teenage at the time of marriage can also be correct for some Ramayan. Nothing wrong with that too either for me. And age difference of 1 or 2 years and Ayodhya stay after marriage of 1 year can also be correct for me. I accept all the theories at the same time. Oh, i haven't forgotten my theory, don't worry.😳 Usually when I debate on mythological events, I'm generally talking about the Ramayan or Mahabharat that happened in the present kalpa. I do believe very strongly that these epics happened in every kalpa hence why there are so many different versions, so I respect and believe bits and pieces from all the sources out there (at least the ones that maintain the characters' divinity...there are some sources that have Ram asking Lakshman to chop off Sita's ear or something in Uttarkand, and that's just plain barbaric🤢). Like you said, all the info we have out there can be right. Also we do not know the right facts and may never know for sure, so we can believe whatever we want as long as it helps us get closer to God.😊 That's the ultimate goal of our life, isn't it?


DkDM I agree was slow paced and too much lengthy during Sati episodes (although they were of 15-16 minutes instead of 20-22 minutes now) and never made me interested to watch with continuity for more than one episode whenever I tried to watch it. The story was also filled with social melo drama (emotional blackmailing, family member's conspiracies and all that, movie romance kind of development). But during Parvati episodes, it is perfectly paced according to me. It was the perfect portrayal of journey of Aatmaa to meet Paramaatma. If we get involved in the story, we in fact feel the story to be going too fast when Parvati's Tap episodes were going. And pre marriage episodes also were such that one would like them never to end. Despite the much awaited Shiv-Parvati marriage, those waiting episodes themselves were blissful enough. I found the pace perfect because I watched all episodes on Youtube continuous in 3-4 days. If one watches on TV, then one may find it slow due to the eagerness of watching Shiv accepting Parvati and marrying Parvati. I completely agree with this. Not just the pace of the story in Sati's phase, I also did not like the depiction of Sati. Her and Shivji's love story was too humanized and seemed like a modern love story in many places. I did not get the feel of divinity from them so I could not watch it further. Even Sati's character was too much like a woman of today's times. She was much too bold and aggressive at times for a lady of the satya yuga, and I did not like that. I was told by a few people that there are some fictional interopolations in Parvathi's phase as much as Sati's, but like you said the relationship of Parvathi and Shivji is shown much more divinely. The process of Parvathi attaining Shivji was so beautiful and Sonarika as an actress has done justice to the role of Ma Bhavani without infusing any of today's aggression or boldness into it. I have yet to watch the Shiv-Parvati wedding because I'm looking for full episodes with subs, but everyone has such nice things to say about it that I'm quite eager now.😊 What i'm really looking for though is the birth of Kartikeya and Ganesha. I want to see Shivji and Parvathi Ma as parents.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Varnita.


Janu, I m so Loving reading ur Posts elaborating the Difference Between RCM and VR, I Mean it is Good to Know that VR Portraits Ram as a Simple Human Being During the Whole Journey, I already have read WHole RCM and yes it tells the Godly Behaviour of Ram at Every place, But I m Eager to Know More abt VR because all my assumptions abt VR Ramayan are Proving to be Wrong now, Can U Elaborate its story More whenever U have time, in any of our Thread😳 ? I Mean the Major Differences Between VR and RCM !! I Would Love to Know !!

And Yeah I agree the age Difference of 9 Between ram Sita was Ok in Treta Yuga...But it is all abt Belief and Imagination, I mean Since Childhood I have been imagining my Ram Sita with an age Difference of 1-2 and with an age of 14 and 16 at the Time of Marriage, SO it is Hard to Digest the Real Facts !! Btw, I think No one in This World Know the Real Facts, Like ur Aunt Said that Sitji was Found a Year before ramji was Born, Which is Completely New For me 😲, So I think it is all abt believing that How and in what Image we c our Gods, RIght? Though I m Loving Knowing Various Facts 😳

Aww, thanks Varnita! I am in no way a master of Valmiki Ramayan though. In fact, I'm learning everyday different facts about the epic from other members here.😊 i just know the differences in the Bal Kand episodes and some other scenes throughout the epic because those discussions came up before in the Ramayan forum, and I remember the different points people made.Embarrassed To discuss the differences between VR and RCM though, I think we should create a thread where everyone can contribute. That way we'll have it organized in one thread for future use.😊
I also agree with your latter point. Whatever helps us become closer to God is what we should believe, so even I believe Ram and Sita were 16 and 14 respectively at the time of marriage. This is not something I'm just making up because I do remember reading it somewhere, I just dont' remember exactly where.😕 Also my parents and grandparents told me this so like you, even I grew up with this detail and it's hard for me to imagine the Gods younger at the time of their marriage.Embarrassed
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Oh, i haven't forgotten my theory, don't worry.😳 Usually when I debate on mythological events, I'm generally talking about the Ramayan or Mahabharat that happened in the present kalpa.

Lol. Yeah of course I meant that only. When I asked "Have you forgotten?", I meant "Have you forgotten to use or to consider your own theory here in debate to give reply?" rather than "Have you stopped believing in that theory?"😃

I do believe very strongly that these epics happened in every kalpa hence why there are so many different versions, so I respect and believe bits and pieces from all the sources out there (at least the ones that maintain the characters' divinity...there are some sources that have Ram asking Lakshman to chop off Sita's ear or something in Uttarkand, and that's just plain barbaric🤢). Like you said, all the info we have out there can be right. Also we do not know the right facts and may never know for sure, so we can believe whatever we want as long as it helps us get closer to God.😊 That's the ultimate goal of our life, isn't it?
100%. Totally with you and I know you.😊

I completely agree with this. Not just the pace of the story in Sati's phase, I also did not like the depiction of Sati. Her and Shivji's love story was too humanized and seemed like a modern love story in many places. I did not get the feel of divinity from them so I could not watch it further. Even Sati's character was too much like a woman of today's times. She was much too bold and aggressive at times for a lady of the satya yuga, and I did not like that. I was told by a few people that there are some fictional interopolations in Parvathi's phase as much as Sati's, but like you said the relationship of Parvathi and Shivji is shown much more divinely. The process of Parvathi attaining Shivji was so beautiful and Sonarika as an actress has done justice to the role of Ma Bhavani without infusing any of today's aggression or boldness into it. I have yet to watch the Shiv-Parvati wedding because I'm looking for full episodes with subs, but everyone has such nice things to say about it that I'm quite eager now.😊 What i'm really looking for though is the birth of Kartikeya and Ganesha. I want to see Shivji and Parvathi Ma as parents.
Yup. I am getting what you are saying and agreeing. Even after enjoying Parvati episodes so much, I am watching Sati episodes now and still not enjoying them that much even after liking the show and direction and music and actors of the show. Best part to watch again and again and again is from Episode 147 to Episode 192 and to be even more precise, Episode 155 to 178 and to be even more precise, Episode 161 to 173 for me.😃 Even the asuras in between (their portrayal, costume, hairstyle) everything is funny. I jump those scenes of Tarakasur and particularly his sons. And that character of Parvati's nanima like Ekta Kapoor's serials.😆

BTW I edited my post in "Introduction of members" thread on the first page. Should I post that fact in that thread?

Edited by ShivangBuch - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Shivang,Oh, you have narrowed it down for me, thanks!😆
If you edited your member's post in Intro thread, you can let people know in a separate post if you want, or you can just leave it too. Whatever suits you best.😊
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I read the following in Ram Charita Manas

At Marriage
Ram 15
Seeta- 6

At start of exile
Ram- 27
Seeta- 18

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