Flawed Concept!

Repeatedly, when ppl complain about the shortage of singing talent in FG (particularly among the more popular of the contestants), we are reminded that FG is not only about singing, it is about something called "PERFORMANCE".

Methinks this entire concept is a bit flawed!

You can either sing well or dance well. You cant do both!

That is why, the older concept in Hindi movies of singing stars flopped and Playback singing took prominence. This practice has been in vogue since the 1940s, and is very popular. Playback singers (who just cannot dance or act) are stars in their own right (sometimes even bigger than the filmstars who lip synch on their songs).

What FG is trying to find is good dancers, who can get by with their singing.

What they are NOT trying to find are good singers, who can get by with their dancing.

And due to this, we are neither here nor there.

For a good singing performance, a show like Sa Re Ga Ma Pa comes out tops, where the quality of singing is far far superior than the one on FG (something which has been largely acknowledged on this forum).

For a good dance performance, a show like Dance Dance or Boogie Woogie gets the thumbs up. What professional performances!

So FG sort of falls between two stools! We get neither the best in singing, nor the best in dancing!

Any other views on this?

Bravo! Well Said.

You know, Ismail Darbar told his student - Paresh from London - not to move and dance much - since it SUR and TAAL also start dancing.

But in FG - they insist and advocate dancing alongwith singing - adding adaa - to make good performer

So its not all about the best singers.....

Originally posted by: malinn

Bravo! Well Said.

You know, Ismail Darbar told his student - Paresh from London - not to move and dance much - since it SUR and TAAL also start dancing.

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Yes, though I felt Ismail Durbar was always a bit harsh and rude.

But thats beside the point

I think, they are loooking for an all-round singer, who not only can sing, but can also give stage-performances & can become a youth icon of a sorts.

Originally posted by: wizgal

I think, they are loooking for an all-round singer, who not only can sing, but can also give stage-performances & can become a youth icon of a sorts.

Sigh!

We are back to square one!

Well....what I mean is that, what is the fun of just being a good singer, when u can not even interact with the audience & give them wholesome entertainment??

And there is no point in just being a good dancer when you dont even know the basic Sur & Taal

Originally posted by: dewan_arun

Yes, though I felt Ismail Durbar was always a bit harsh and rude.

But thats beside the point

Can't judges be a little considerate?

http://www.televisionpoint.com/tvgrapevine/view.php?id=11256 50163

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September, 2 2005
Can't judges be a little considerate?
It was supposed to be a show of talent but soon descended to being a show of pure one-upmanship. The discordant note struck on Zee's Sa Re Ga Ma Pa has quite taken away the spotlight from the participants.

Many good singers became victims of petty ego hassles of the famed gurus, Himesh Reshmiya, Jatin Lalit, Aadesh Srivastava and Ismail Durbar. Reshmmiya and Jatin Lalit have been having constant squabbles but the big fight was the one between Aadesh Srivastava and Ismail Durbar.

"The confrontation with Ismail Durbar had been building up ever since we started Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge," says Srivastava. "He has a highhanded, arrogant attitude which is not acceptable to the other judges. He has no respect for anyone, not even the boys and girls who came from far-flung places like Assam and Manipur with dreams of becoming singers. Ismail addresses them so rudely on camera that the contestants are reduced to tears. I told him to be more considerate. But he's beyond reason," he fumed.

During the last stint of the show's recording when Durbar made fun of Srivastava's knowledge of classical music, "He implied that he was the master of the ragas while Himesh, Lalit, Jatin and me were just novices who knew nothing about classical music.

He forgets I'm from a musical family. I've used classically trained voices like Richa Sharma and Hema Sardesai, and used ragas in my tunes whenever possible. When Ismail made snide references to my abilities, I couldn't take it any more. I ticked him off good and proper. We'd probably have gone further in our fight but I don't come from the same background as he does. I held my peace.

But we decided we would not sit on the same platform as Ismail Durbar. Thank God the camera wasn't on when this happened," said Aadesh Srivastava. Aadesh is now unsure about returning to judge Sa Re Ga Ma Challenge.

Zee TV's Vice President Ashish Kaul however denies any such showdown and says, "It is a reality show, these things are supposed to be a part of it. Each judge feels strongly about their participants and the ones they are training. It's but natural for them to flare up. That doesn't mean we'll stop the show altogether. It is a talent hunt and we cannot stop midway."

However, Ashish feels it has nothing to do with ego hassles among the judges. Anchor of the show, Shaan, says "It's like pointing fingers at their talent, so none of them would like it. I attribute the behaviour to the pressure. The composers are not used to spending hours in front of lights and cameras, this can be very irritating. So it's natural to get irritated or voice their thoughts a little loudly."

However, what nobody seems to realise is the fact that when celebs are invited, they will never take a back seat. They feel they're the stars of every show and will want all the attention. In Fame Gurukul, on Sony, when the selection was happening through SMS, Mandira Bedi, the anchor, passed a comment on one contestant Qazi, rather loudly, saying, "he is getting too irritating, we should eliminate him now." Qazi was doing well and was also a good singer.

He had the poise and knew exactly how to manage the stage. What perhaps irritated Mandira was his "I-know-it-all" attitude. But isn't that unfair? This is not the first time when judges have behaved rudely with the participants. When the auditions for Sony's Indian Idol were being screened, judges Anu Mallik and Farah Khan were particularly rude to several participants. Their tone was mean and uncalled for.

Farah commented on the way participants dressed, their body language and said things like, "What is it that you are wearing... you think you can come on the stage that way...". Anu Mallik was one step worse. He said things like, "Tumhare awaaz mein koi dum nahi... You won't make it..."

Comments like these cannot be passed off as "judging". Especially when the entire country is watching. Big stalwarts like Karan Johar, when on the show, behaved very well, why can't these people learn from them. "We cannot term that as rudeness. All the judges and gurus have come up the hard way. When the participants are given a ready-made platform, and fail to perform to the expected levels, it irks the judges," said a Sony spokesperson.

Not just talent shows even when the selections for Get Gorgeous show on Channel [V] were in progress, the judges behaved in a similar manner. Girls were criticised for the way they talked, walked and even presented themselves.

Noyonika Chatterji, the model who was training the participants, would keep saying, "Please don't giggle and laugh aloud and embarrass me. Don't be in a hurry to finish your food and so on and so forth," making it seem the participants were a bunch of junglees.

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I dont think we should call it a falwed concept. Every competition has its own criteria and parameters. May be its a mixture of Boogie Woogie and Sa Rega Ma Pa, after all we can see people can both dance and sing at times see Sunidhi Chauhan she can sing and dance if people are there who can do it why not keep a competition for that. I dont think its wrong.