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.Reshama.

@.Reshama.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

i am probably the only one but i disagree with the popular view of the whole vrinda- Lord Vishnu saga..i feel personally tht she was wronged..and i dnt agree with the view of it being for the greater good..a pious woman was cheated and i dnt think tht any reason given for the same is justified..not even by God.. it was her bhakti which was her strength and tht itself was converted to being the cause of her doom.. [/QUOTE] I now that was my point too..thank u for ur comment...😊

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Lesson Learnt from Vrinda:

So the new rule is, don't do bhakti unless you are sure abt vishnu or shiva's intentions. If you are a guy, make some friendship with God. If you are a girl, tie rakhi. If need be, make the God your child. But don't ever let him take the upper hand.

Btw, what was Devi Lakshmi doing when all this happened?

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Rumjhum Laha

@Patrarekha

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Lesson Learnt from Vrinda:

So the new rule is, don't do bhakti unless you are sure abt vishnu or shiva's intentions. If you are a guy, make some friendship with God. If you are a girl, tie rakhi. If need be, make the God your child. But don't ever let him take the upper hand.

Btw, what was Devi Lakshmi doing when all this happened?

in some version vrinda is lakshmi's ansh😆..so vishnu didn't do any wrong sleeping with her😕

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shinningstar

@shinningstar

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

TULSI was a bhakt of vishnu(gopi) who wanted him as her husband and was granted the wish that he will marry her when times comes. she is reborn meets jalandhar and falls in love and marries him he too loved her a lot but power and money got to his head and he lost his path and devtas took advantage of this and put it in his head that to be the most powerful he shud marry parvati as she has forgotten shiva. thus misguided and turned blind by materialistic stuff he makes the biggest mistake of his life. now here parvati who has lost her memory gains it back and when jalandhar comes before her its her test too to recognize him form shiva and she does but in turn since he faked his id curses him that his wife too make mistake and he will be ended at hands of shiva. devtas here request vishnu to go vrinda disguised as jal and on insistance from all he goes but he doens't like it and doesn't speak a word vrinda mistakes him for jal and accepts him as her hubby. jal gets hit and killed but before dying he comes back to vrinda to scold her for not being able to see the fake jal . vrinda realizes the guy in her room is fake and with her power turns him into a stone (shaligram) now devtas and all worried as palanhaar of world is stone so they beg her to forgive. and she takes back the curse but burns her body when vishnu isback he cries seeing the ash tears fall on ash and tulsi plant rises and he tells her that she will always be pure and as tulsi she will be his dearest as shaligram she will be known as his wife.

tulsi was not laxshmi but is worshipped as so since laxshmi is the consort of vishnu.tulsi was one of his param bhakts

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@Surya_krsnbhakt

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: Kadamvari

in some version vrinda is lakshmi's ansh😆..so vishnu didn't do any wrong sleeping with her😕

great. so shivaansh married laksmi ansh. Nice relationships these ppl have.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

Vrinda story is really sad and Vrinda was the wife of Jallandher who was a pure and spiritually dedicated soul. Jallandher became invinsible and not even the tridev could harm him. What i know she dedicated her bhakti and spiruality to Vishnu. The one she trusted much hurt her..and becuase of him she lost her spiritual virtue & power. She touched Vishnu disguised as Jallandher. She was also not capable to help Jallandher anymore and he died in the hands of Shivji.
I dont understand why Jallandher stalked Parvatie in the first place ..he had a very special woman at home.
Did Jallandher and Vrinda really had a love story??
I understand why Vishnu handled this way..but what about Vrinda pride..wasnt there another option for him.
Why did she became a Tulsi and not and divine godess who married Vishnu..
What are her previous birhts??

I wonder what ma friends thinks about her story😊

Note; This is not an comparision post about about Shaktism vs Vaishnoism. Its not allowed in this forum. We never did this in the past and we wont do it in the future as well!! A only have questions about Vrinda 's situation and nothin else!! I dont want my post to become a warzone..only a healthy dissucion...Thats all!Thanks inadvance.

I won't comment on the Vishnu angle right here, since I've done it in the past elsewhere. But I do think that easily overlooked is the despicable role of Narada in this story. Jalandhar had no evil designs against Shiva b4 Narada instigated him. Of course, Jalandhar too is to blame for taking the bait, but nowhere does it suggest that he married Vrinda in order to be powerful. He became the ruler of the asuras and married the daughter of another asura ruler in a matrimonial alliance.

Another thing about Vrinda and that pativrata aspect - the few women in mythology who were ever listed as pativrata - Savitri, Sita, Anusuya, Srimati (wife of Kapila), Sulochana et al all had one thing in common - they exclusively worshipped their husbands and nobody else, not even the tridevs. Did Vrinda continue to be a Vishnu devotee after her marriage to Jalandhar?

On Vrinda's curse on Vishnu - didn't it actually play out w/ Vedavati, when Ravan touched and defiled her, in the same way Vishnu had defiled Vrinda? Except that Ravan, who is one demon I'm not a fan of, was more honest & direct in his approach, and didn't take the form of Vishnu, but demanded that she submit to him as Ravan?

Also, I am curious about the identity of Kalnemi. In JJMD, they had a Kalnemi in that story - was this the one? Also, in the Ramayan, there is the story of how Hanuman killed Kalnemi on his way to fetch the Oushadi, but in Valmiki, there is no mention of his killing any Kalnemi - that was obviously one of the medieval additions. So this Kalnemi who was sasur of Jalandhar - does he have any other claim to fame/infamy other than having his daughter married to Jalandhar?

I do wonder one more thing. If it was so necessary to end Vrinda as the source of support to Jalandhar, wasn't killing her an option? Yeah, that sounds outrageous, but I fail to see how that would have been worse (by the standards then) than what actually was done to her.

Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago

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@Gods_child

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

The problem here is that people take relationships of that time being identical with that of present time where physical intimacy is imp...

Thats why they interpret violating chasity with physical relationship...

Ppl of earlier times took even considering someone else as ur husband even for a second...or looking at any other person with love other than ur husband as violation of a woman's chasity...

Its written that vishnu violated vrinda's chasity..it does'nt require for him to sleep with vrinda..remember parvati asked forgiveness from shiv for timely accepting challenge of mahishasur..even that was against of patnidharma of ancient time...so by considering or not able to identify fake jalandhar vrinda gave that place of husband to another man..hence her prayers and wishes were now centred at another man..in this way jalandhar was left without any protection...

But i cnt stop ppl frm adding the physical aspect to live of trinity a true bhakt knows that they are far from this human type of intimacy...chant with pure heart name of anyone of them let it be mahadev vishnu parvati durga or krishna and one will see that desire of lust disappears...

Everyone interpret stories accoring to their frame of mind..interpreting with body consciousness results in faulty and distorted representation of manifested divinity..

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: viper833
I will as soon ask some of the people in forum stop deaming lord vishnu character.I understand that people believe what they believe. But in the forum people think that what they talk about on tvshow is acttually true. When its not. People are entitled to there opinion but also look at what facts. That majority of all hindu are Vaishnavs . The shaviate are not as big as vaishnav.

That's pretty irrelevant b'cos what's being discussed here is not whether Vishnu is greater than Shiva or not, but whether Vishnu was a hypocrite. I mean, in the Ramayan & Mahabharata, both Rama & Krishna are big about the dignity of women - in fact, in Rama's case, his entire crusade against the rakshashas revolved around that. Yet, here is a story in which Vishnu behaves in a more despicable way than Ravan.

Let's just objectively look at this, ok? Imagine if Ravan, in order to win Sita over, approached her taking the form of Rama in Panchavati itself. Or, in Asoka Vatika, did that and touched her. The most that he did was show her Rama's head in a platter to try & persuade her, but Sita wanted to die after that. Whatever else Ravana did, he never tried to trick Sita into believing that he was Rama, but Vishnu pulled off that very trick on Vrinda.

Also, once Vrinda died, the dignified thing to have done would have been to honorably hand over her remains to whatever was left of her family, and let them do the funeral and put her ashes into the Ganga, and let her in her afterlife return to Jalandhar. But taking her ashes and planting a tulsi in it, or making her take the form of a tulsi and then marrying her was making a further mockery of her - the rakshashas or asuras never did that to any woman that they got hold of.

Whether 80% of Hindus are Vaishnavas or not is irrelevant. If a certain deed is considered evil, then Vishnu doing it is as bad, if not worse, than a demon doing it. If people worship him despite that, then they obviously have missed the point of why the scriptures declare certain things as good or evil. It is tough to lead by example if the leading deities make exceptions for themselves while laying down the laws. And I'm not even touching on Vishnu's bias against asuras & rakshashas even when they were not evil, as in the case of Virochan & Bali, or the Tripurasuras.

Originally posted by: anu rulz
i am probably the only one but i disagree with the popular view of the whole vrinda- Lord Vishnu saga..i feel personally tht she was wronged..and i dnt agree with the view of it being for the greater good..a pious woman was cheated and i dnt think tht any reason given for the same is justified..not even by God.. it was her bhakti which was her strength and tht itself was converted to being the cause of her doom..

I agree w/ you as well, and pretty much removed Vishnu from my list of respected deities when I read about this story. In the Shiva Purana, Parvati is said to have asked Vishnu to take Jalandhar's form to trick Vrinda in return for what he tried to do to her. Sure, what Jalandhar did was despicable as well, but having managed to detect that Jalandhar was Jalandhar & not Shiva, Parvati should have arranged for a different punishment for Jalandhar, not Vrinda.

Indeed, Vishnu's treatment of Vrinda in this story was even worse than Indra's treatment of Ahalya. Essentially, he was less restrained w/ Vrinda than he was even w/ Lakshmi.

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#59

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Also, I am curious about the identity of Kalnemi. In JJMD, they had a Kalnemi in that story - was this the one? Also, in the Ramayan, there is the story of how Hanuman killed Kalnemi on his way to fetch the Oushadi, but in Valmiki, there is no mention of his killing any Kalnemi - that was obviously one of the medieval additions. So this Kalnemi who was sasur of Jalandhar - does he have any other claim to fame/infamy other than having his daughter married to Jalandhar?

@.Vrish. There are quite a few stories of Kalanemi in our Puranas.

1. The asura who is the father in law of Jal. This is the one we are seeing here. He was a very powerful asura. Like... Jarasandha of the asuras.

2. The son of HIranyakashipu. Ya. Prahlada's brother. He had six children who did tapasya to brahma, but since HIranyakashipu was all, "I am God, blah blah," he thought they were not respecting him as God. So he cursed them that they would be killed by their father, Kalanemi. So these ppl did not want any sin on their father or anything, so they gave up their life by yoga. But in the next life, Kalanemi became Devaki's brother Kamsa, and the six children became Devaki's first six children. So HIranyakashipu's curse came true. Kalanemi DID Kill his children.

3. There was another Kalanemi during Samudra Manthan. He was killed by Vishnu during the war that happend because the devas did cheating.

4. He was the son of Sumali or Mali. not sure. Ravana's uncle thru mom. Killed by Hanuman.