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Posted: 13 years ago
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I have been a silent follower of the show for some time. The concept and, naturally, Uday's character caught my attention. I believe in offering constructive critique to writers and producers of shows that I have an interest in. Please don't read my post as something negative. I enjoy DEK, but I just want to share my thoughts on it with ya'll and see some progress/depth - eventually.

Normally, it takes time to come around and delve into the essence of characters and the relationship between characters on any show. However, in the wake of about 40 episodes repeating themselves in terms of drama, I've some thoughts to share that I hope will be taken as constructive critique and feedback.
Some comments and suggestions on the characters/relationships on the show:
1) Brijraj and his wife
They have little to no space and/or development on the show. The actors play their parts brilliantly, but there's almost no interaction between them and their family. For a man who had his daughter kidnapped, Brijraj should feel extremely troubled about his own emotions toward Manyata. What exactly does he feel for her? What consequences will it have for their relationship? I have questions about his person. Does he feel remorse for what he did to Murali's family? Is Brijraj good or bad or grey? He seems to have a strained relationship toward his own wife. Why? Because his wife and mother are closer? There was some serious interaction between both him and his mother. They also seem to have a strained relationship, distanced. Why? And does he feel resentful toward his wife because she couldn't give him sons? In that case, what is his relationship toward Jainandini? Has he ever been the father that she needed? I wish that the writers would delve further into his character. I wish that we could know why he feels so alienated in his own home, at times. He is kind of blind when it comes to Uday, because he appears to be the perfect son, the one he always wanted. He, of all people, should be most hellbound on having one of his daughters marry Uday.
I guess that I find Brijraj's character quite plain, at the moment. He needs some layers, some emotions, some kind of powerpacked scenes to make him appear a lot more interesting. Image, wealth, and status matters the most to him. How does it connect with him killing Murali's family by drunk driving? He must have a dirty past behind the elegant, ethical exterior. Let us see it.
His wife has lived in silent fear for her daughter's death. And now that she finally has Manyata back, I expected her to dote on her. I expected her to be extremely overprotective of Manyata, spoil her, defend her against anyone who wants to "fix" Manyata, because in her eyes Manyata would be perfect. It should only matter to her that she has found her long lost daughter - as a mother, she should've become blind to everything else. Manyata's wellbeing matters the most. It seemed almost weird that she didn't take care of Manyata when she was ill, but that it was DS who checked up on her. Doesn't seem logical at all.
2) Udayveer
I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Honestly, I feel that he is a cold, confused, and shallow character with no layers to him. It's only Ashish's brilliant acting and handsomeness that keeps me attached to the screen whenever he shows up. Yes, he is a typical bad boy and that's incredibly attractive. He's a handsome, spoiled prince who is used to getting exactly what he wants. He's arrogant, cocky, and incredibly cruel, at times - those are characteristics that make him appealing as hell. But at the same time, as a viewer and Uday fan, I need layers to his character, I need to see that under his tough exterior, he's human with a vulnerable side. He needs a reason to be a womanizer. Someone as hard and cold as him needs a past. He needs to struggle with inner demons. For instance, maybe his mother left him when he was a kid because his father cheated on her? Maybe he hates his father and blames him? Maybe he hates his mother for not taking him with when she left? Maybe he treats women like objects because, indirectly, he's punishing his mother? I feel like Uday needs layers, a struggle, a past, and a strained relationship toward his father.
This would give his character depth and allow Ashish to portray him from another angle. To convey a story - and emotions such as hatred, anger, and detachment. A distrust in women, a self-doubt. Because if his mother left him - maybe she didn't love him. And if she didn't love him, why should anyone else?
3) Manyata
Now, coming to Manyata, I feel that the line between being a free spirited young girl and being a disrespectful, spoiled brat has been blurred. Manyata is verging on the latter. I know that the point is to turn her from a "wild, untamed, free spirited girl" to a "princess with dignity and manners", but she lacks even some of the most basic manners which only makes her character seem too much of a drama queen. It's just too much. Swearing at Uday is great. Disliking her little sister is understandable as well. But the way that she acts sometimes is just ridiculous. Her character, as well, needs some serious layers.
Has she forgotten about the man who raised her already? Despite what he did those years ago, every memory that she has of him is only positive, only of love. Of how he took care of her. That should matter more to her and make her feel conflicted about living with her biological family. Though he took her away from them, they took his family away first. However wrong that was, her loyalty toward him should seem to run deeper. I expected her to shun her family because a part of her still loves Murali as her father, and misses him.
Furthermore, she seems much too preoccupied with Akash. She's in love and that's fine. But by showing how she moons over Akash in every episode, her interaction with the rest of the family, her inner struggle with coming to terms with who she really is, the identity crisis, and her strained relationship toward every member of the family - it has all been dropped. Which makes her character seem shallow and, to a certain point, intolerable. She comes across as incredibly immature and obnoxious rather than a free spirited firecracker with hopes, dreams, and an inner battle with herself.
Manyata doesn't need an ultimate makeover right now. What she needs is to be a bit more curious about her biological family and slowly attempt to understand them, the way they are, and eventually accept that she's there to stay. When she can do that, it'll make sense for her to allow a complete physical makeover to happen. Because as she learns to understand who they are, she begins to understand who she is and how it's only a matter of time before she can't deny what will happen eventually. At the same time, with her allowing the physical changes, she should struggle to sustain the person that she is because she'll be afraid of losing herself by submitting to their etique/lifestyle.
4) Jai
Here's a character who started out great, but has turned confusing and illogically conniving over time. I like Jai. I really do. Despite being a spoiled, selfish witch, I have seen some redeeming qualities in her and I understand that there's a reason why she is the way she is - and she's not to blame for it alone. I only wish that the writers would delve into her layered character and explore it further. For instance, someone like Jai should have serious mommy issues. The negligience she feels from her mother should be made more apparent. It's why she dislikes Manyata. She made it clear once that Manyata has always come first, and that no one spared her a single thought when they broke the engagement between her and Uday. Jai is hurt. Which makes sense. She lost Uday to Manyata, just like she feels that she lost her mother to Manyata. Even Uday uses her for his own amusement, rubbing salt in her wound.
I really must suggest that the writers explore her softer side. Deep down, she isn't the conniving witch she appears to be. She's a spoiled princess who wants attention and genuine consideration from the people who actually matter the most to her - her parents. Uday is twisting her up in knots - which is really interesting to watch - but she doesn't have anyone to show her that things can be different for her. That she can have genuine and unconditional love and affection from someone who doesn't have an ulterior motive behind it.
It makes sense for a character like her to have an opposite attraction. Akash is the perfect match for someone like Jai. He's simple, hardworking, honest, caring, and selfless. He's her opposite in every way and she could learn from him. Akash as her love interest would give him some layers to - as of right now, he's quite boring. The fact that he could fall for someone like Jai, a selfish and manipulative girl with a need to be loved, the fact that he'd see something in her that would make him feel curious about her...
He wouldn't buy her crap, but teach her something about life. He wouldn't feed her hatred, but teach her to rise above it and move forward. Love. Plus it would add a bit of interesting conflict as she's the young princess who knows little to nothing about life, while he's the poor, hardworking peasant who has experience. It would give his character an actual purpose - other than chasing after Manyata and moan about his love for her.
5) Uday and Manyata
I realize that they are a much adored couple and even I find their relationship very entertaining and intense. But I feel like it's on repeat. Uday's attitude toward her is confusing and I can't figure out what the writers want him to feel. I mean, is it a) he knows how to handle her, or b) he thinks he knows how to handle her because he is an expert with women, but really he doesn't know what to do about her? Manyata is constantly testing his patience and temper. I have yet to see him do something about all the threats that he's continously throwing at her.
Is it part of "the point" that he hasn't realized he came closer to her by being nice and teaching her how to shoot, offer her ice cream, etc. rather than taunting her?
Their relationship needs layers. I understand that they can't fall in love right away, and I wouldn't want them to either. Part of the pleasure is watching the foreplay. I just wish that their interaction could develop, be given more depth. Manyata needs to witness cracks in his cool and composed attitude and wonder about it. She needs to become curious about him, his family, his past, and dig into it against his warning. Maybe to spite him. Maybe because she sees that he distances himself from in fear that she'll get past his controlled demeanour and see what's behind the exterior.
I don't know. But their relationship needs to develop somehow. Little steps, but at least make them actual steps.
Overall, my conclusion is that DEK's characters need layers, depth, a struggle - with themselves, with each other - and the relationships should be given a logical turn for the better or worse. I'm not sure if the show is supposed to be entertainment only, or a balance between humor and serious drama, but I do wish that it'll be given a bit more attention character-development wise.
Thanks for reading. God bless.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey! Great post, i remember you from LTL forum. I posted very little there, though.
OK. Coming to the post, there are things I agree & disagree with.

Brijraj & Komal
I disagree with you on this. It is true that there are distances in their relationship, but it is definitely not strained. Being royals, I feel that their responsibilities took over, leaving them little to interact about. To me, they behave like a normal couple, after many years of being married. Not everyone is romantic. When Brijraj scolded Komal on spoiling Manyata, it was very normal. When Brijraj was flying the kite & Komal asked him to be careful, it was very normal. They have their happy & not-so-happy moments. Its just that they are slightly distanced & are not the lovey-dovey types. But yes, definitely their equation should be explored further. On Brijraj's character, i totally agree. I am confused too, as to what he really is. That definitely needs to be explored!

Udayveer
I completely disagree with you on this. I feel that UV & DS are the only 2 really well-written characters on the show, who have many different layers & shades. Uday is not at all shallow. His interactions with Unnati & DS bring out a warm, loving side of him. His interactions with all the different hot girls bring out an egoistic side of him, that serves to boost his ego, reminding him of his charm. His interactions with his dad bring out the ambitious side of him that his dad has trained him to become. He definitely is not a 'bad' boy. He has grey shades, but its wrong to call him negative.

Manyata & J
Completely agree with you on these 2 characters. No argument :)

Udayveer & Manyata
I disagree on this. Its true that their scenes might look repetitive with UV constantly saying that Manyata is his fiancee & Manyata shrugging off. But that is not about it. That is a very on-the-surface analysis. Whenever he threatens her, he keeps his word. He told her he will make her cry & boy, he did, within 2 days. He smartly played his move by firing the gardener & she did exactly what he expected. She exposed herself to DS. Their relationship has so many layers. They fight with each other in the room, but infront of everyone, they smile sweetly at each other. Like 1 of the writers in the forum puts it, they are frenemies :)
With each meeting, there is a new side to their relationship & its evident in the game they are playing with each other.

I want to write a lot more, but no time.
I respect your analysis, but I feel that you should look deeper at some of the characters.
Looking forward to more posts from you😃

Cheers,
Samridhi





Edited by prc_fan1 - 13 years ago
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Brijraj - I didn't watch the show since the beginning but I've seen like last 10 or so episodes so I'm quite not sure what happened with Murari's family and how was Brijraj connected with that.. I do agree that he's a very simple character at the moment. Though we do know from scenes that he was initially unable to accept Manyata because of her behavior, he's not making an effort. More of his scenes with his wife would be nice.

Komal - As for Komal, I think she is being overprotective of Manyata which is why she always defends her. But at the same moment, she's a Maharani too so she has to follow certain rules. And she was the one who brought in soup for Manyata when she was sick so she is being the overprotective and loving mother.

Udayveer - I am sure we'll see something more for him as the show progresses, but I do think he's not just the handsome and cold prince. Of course, he's a womanizer and he has a huge ego, but at the same time he sometimes genuinely cares for Manyata.. Genuinely defends her especially in front of Jai when he doesn't really wants extra brownie points from the family. However, I don't think all players have a past strained relationship with their mothers and/or other women. Many guys like that just like having 'fun' as they call it. They don't like commitments so they never go for long term relationships and go from one girl to another instead.

Manyata - I somewhat agree that sometimes she just comes across as an obnoxious little brat, but we also have to understand her struggle. She is a free spirited, fun loving, and hot tempered girl. We know that from the initial episodes before she came to know her identity. So that's a part of her. Now throw that girl in this huge mess with an identity crisis and a family who really wants to change her and not accept as she has been for the past 20 or so years... All of that is bound to bring out her worst side. That's what we are seeing. She does swear at Uday a lot and most of the times he deserves it. But otherwise, I haven't seen her being disrespectful to the elders though she isn't completely respectful either. I can understand why she's behaving the way she is.

Jai - I agree with most of your points especially having a Jai-Aakash track, but at the moment, I really dislike her. Yes, I know she's going through a lot because of the whole losing her mother and Uday to Manyata thing but the girl's got to have some self respect! Moreover she is a prince, so more so! I really dislike girls who throw themselves at guys.. It's like really woman, you need some self respect. Which is why I can't stand her. Uday has clearly given her his messange, he's NOT interested so why is she being so desperate? Anyway, I think I would like to see that other side of Jai as well.

Uday and Manyata - Slowly we'll see more depth into their relationship. As of now, they are both showing each other (and us, audience) that they are a match for each other. Neither of them takes crap from the other, and so it's fun to see their interaction. Right now it's "I hate you" and "You can't ignore me" stage. I'm sure they'll move beyond that soon, and we'll much more to their relationship.
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Oops. Posted on the wrong topic.
Sorry.
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Thank you for the in depth response 😃

Originally posted by: prc_fan1

Brijraj & Komal
I disagree with you on this. It is true that there are distances in their relationship, but it is definitely not strained. Being royals, I feel that their responsibilities took over, leaving them little to interact about. To me, they behave like a normal couple, after many years of being married. Not everyone is romantic. When Brijraj scolded Komal on spoiling Manyata, it was very normal. When Brijraj was flying the kite & Komal asked him to be careful, it was very normal. They have their happy & not-so-happy moments. Its just that they are slightly distanced & are not the lovey-dovey types.

I suppose you're right about them behaving like a "normal couple". It's not that I want to see them romance or bicker, for that matter. But I do want to see them interact more. They tend to clash in relation to parenthood, and that would be interesting to witness more of. I also think that it would interesting to know more about their relationship. I want the distance explored. You know?

Originally posted by: prc_fan1

Udayveer
I completely disagree with you on this. I feel that UV & DS are the only 2 really well-written characters on the show, who have many different layers & shades.

In that case, I don't think that it has been made clear enough. I've caught glimpses of another UV underneath the cocky exterior, but I'm not sure if that Ashish Kapoor's own spontaneous inputs or the writer's character profile. Uday is a well-written character, but he could be given more depth.

Originally posted by: prc_fan1

Uday is not at all shallow. His interactions with Unnati & DS bring out a warm, loving side of him. His interactions with all the different hot girls bring out an egoistic side of him, that serves to boost his ego, reminding him of his charm. His interactions with his dad bring out the ambitious side of him that his dad has trained him to become. He definitely is not a 'bad' boy. He has grey shades, but its wrong to call him negative.

It's strange, but considering his other characteristics and the way he acts around DS, I'd say that he is more or less manipulative rather than warm. I'm not sure which one of his two sides are real. This alone is interesting and adds a layer to his character, I suppose. But it's hardly enough considering how incredibly intriguing the actor's portrayal of Uday is. He should be given more layers to convey. The "bad boy" image I meant to refer to was the one that girls seem attracted to. The arrogant and cocky guy with a softer side (vulnerable/troubled side). It's the latter I'm still waiting for the writers to reveal and explore in earnest.

Originally posted by: prc_fan1

Udayveer & Manyata
I disagree on this. Its true that their scenes might look repetitive with UV constantly saying that Manyata is his fiancee & Manyata shrugging off. But that is not about it. That is a very on-the-surface analysis. Whenever he threatens her, he keeps his word. He told her he will make her cry & boy, he did, within 2 days. He smartly played his move by firing the gardener & she did exactly what he expected. She exposed herself to DS. Their relationship has so many layers. They fight with each other in the room, but infront of everyone, they smile sweetly at each other. Like 1 of the writers in the forum puts it, they are frenemies :)
With each meeting, there is a new side to their relationship & its evident in the game they are playing with each other.

But the games are all about power play. I've read and seen the hate-love romance many times and I understand the rules of it. But I do want to see actual in depth interaction between them that might put cracks in each their exterior. I don't mean deep conversations about love, but if they're going to play games, I feel that the writers could make the games about truth, about finding out things about each other that breeds curiosity and/or some kind of understand. Maybe something that makes the other stumble for a second, afraid of having gotten too close. Right now, their games are immature and repetitive in essence. There's no actual progress or touch of depth.
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Thanks for your reponse 😃

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Komal - As for Komal, I think she is being overprotective of Manyata which is why she always defends her. But at the same moment, she's a Maharani too so she has to follow certain rules. And she was the one who brought in soup for Manyata when she was sick so she is being the overprotective and loving mother.
You're right. But before being a Maharani, she's a mother. Mothers have a natural instinct when it comes to their children. Considering how many years she has lived without her firstborn and now having found her, I'm missing the overprotective mother in all this (the protective mother is there). The fact that Manyata has been allowed to head to the mall and such without guards, without her (the mother) being there - it surprised me. Because as a mother, if you're afraid of losing your child again, you keep a sharp eye on that child out of paranoia, perhaps, or plain ol' fear.
Furthermore, you spend more time with your child - and even as a Maharani, I'm sure that she'd be able to find excuses enough to be with Manyata. There's so much catching up to do. Manyata has spent the better half of her childhood years away from her own mother. Komal doesn't even know what her daughter's favorite color is, putting it a bit shallow :)
Udayveer - I am sure we'll see something more for him as the show progresses, but I do think he's not just the handsome and cold prince. Of course, he's a womanizer and he has a huge ego, but at the same time he sometimes genuinely cares for Manyata.. Genuinely defends her especially in front of Jai when he doesn't really wants extra brownie points from the family. However, I don't think all players have a past strained relationship with their mothers and/or other women. Many guys like that just like having 'fun' as they call it. They don't like commitments so they never go for long term relationships and go from one girl to another instead.
No, he isn't just a handsome, cold prince. But he appears to be, often. Because he isn't given much depth from the writers - yet. You're right. Not all players have a strained relationship with their mom. But it was more a suggestion of what the writers could add to his character to give it depth. I don't really care what story they give him, but I do believe he needs one. It's my genuine belief that men who are womanizers have been brought up with a certain perception of women, either self-invented or given to them by others.

Manyata - I somewhat agree that sometimes she just comes across as an obnoxious little brat, but we also have to understand her struggle. She is a free spirited, fun loving, and hot tempered girl. We know that from the initial episodes before she came to know her identity. So that's a part of her. Now throw that girl in this huge mess with an identity crisis and a family who really wants to change her and not accept as she has been for the past 20 or so years... All of that is bound to bring out her worst side. That's what we are seeing. She does swear at Uday a lot and most of the times he deserves it. But otherwise, I haven't seen her being disrespectful to the elders though she isn't completely respectful either. I can understand why she's behaving the way she is.
The problem for me is that I don't see her struggling with an identity crisis. All I see is her being this insensible, obnoxious brat with a rebellious streak. Where's the internal struggle? It needs to show through interaction with the other characters. Through frustration. Yes, there's some anger, but the issue for me is that her internal battle and confusion isn't made clear enough in the scenes she has. She's either mooning over Akash, fighting with Uday, playing with her friends, or disrespecting the elders. That doesn't convery identity crisis for me, but just a brat.

Jai - I agree with most of your points especially having a Jai-Aakash track, but at the moment, I really dislike her. Yes, I know she's going through a lot because of the whole losing her mother and Uday to Manyata thing but the girl's got to have some self respect! Moreover she is a prince, so more so! I really dislike girls who throw themselves at guys.. It's like really woman, you need some self respect. Which is why I can't stand her. Uday has clearly given her his messange, he's NOT interested so why is she being so desperate? Anyway, I think I would like to see that other side of Jai as well.
I agree completely.

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Why the family is not too close with Manyata ... well they are royals they wont go huggy kissy on her.
Uv he is the best character and the best is everyone who sees him can see him in their own way !
Agree about J
Manyata is the spoilt , selfish one ...

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