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Posted: 11 years ago
#51
^^ ,u can find thousand n thousands of books like history of ceylone in old library and book markets ,just written by dutch govt or trader doesnt legal document ,media and newspaper defending modi jee by showing such a baseless argument or tamil nadu bjpian blame only congress
There is a Registered Document
(Registration No. 510/1880, Book 1, Volume 16) evidencing the fact that on 23.06.1880, eight coastal villages and four Island, including the Katchatheevu Island, belong to the Ramanathapuram Sethupathy's were given in lease by the District Collector, Madurai jointly to one Abdul Kadar Marakayar and Muthusamy Pillai. In the year 1822 the east india company signed an agreement with ramanad king to use sixty nine village and 7 island(including katchatheevu) for their trading purpose.(if u have doubt plz go and check it in Sarawathi mahal archives )

if govt want to find a solution for this ,they can but they wont this is true fact of indian Govt

then CM karuna is a monster who still drinking the bloods of innocent tamilian for the sake of his own family ...nothing more to argue about him

For strange reasons Karunanidhi did not resort to judicial remedy to uphold the just claims. He should have challenged the ceding of the island to Sri Lanka on the following grounds. It was Indian territory and there was irrefutable evidence to prove the ownership claims. Second ceding Indian territory to a nieghbouring country requires constitutional amendment. It should be pointed out recourse to judicial remedy was successfully pursued by BC Roy, Chief Minister of West Bengal, when Jawaharlal Nehru wanted to transfer Beru Bari to Pakistan. Karunanidhi could also have insisted that the ownership claims over the island be referred to the Supreme Court for its opinion. It may be recalled that legal luminaries like MC Setalvad were of view that the island belonged to India.
Indira Gandhi pointed out that Katchatheevu Island is being ceded not on the basis of records but for other political reasons,without the concern of tamilnadu (sure Karuna wont interpt it but better to ask the opinion of Tamil fishermen this is so called federalism)Though the island was ceded to Sri Lanka, Articles V and VI of the agreement safeguarded the traditional fishing rights of Indian fishermen and also their right to visit the island for pilgrimage and drying of nets without a visa. Unfortunately the fishing rights were sacrificed in 1976, when the maritime boundary in the Gulf of Mannar and Bay of Bengal was delimited.
.This agreement which makes a mockery of the Indian Constitution, is according to ex External Affairs Minister, Mr.S.M.Krishna, as declared by him before the parliament "a solemn agreement.as far SC in 1960sif any Indian territory is to be handed over to any other country, it should be ratified in the Parliament by way of a Constitutional Amendment under Article 368. But it has not been done and, therefore, handing over of Kachchatheevu is unconstitutional.even the present central govt doens correct the affidavit before the SC.

According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, territorial waters means the area from the baseline on the coast to 12 nautical miles into the sea, she said, adding that as per this definition, the 285-acre, uninhabited Katchatheevu islet, lying at a distance of 11 nautical miles from Ramanathapuram, fell within Indian waters. so SL navy have no right to kill the fishermen ,

but who is real victims of all political drama of BJP,Congress,DMK etc , innocent fishermen

Edited by Naveen_star - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
in 1972 India-pakistan war, Srilanka was supporting PAKISTAN and were allowing PAK aircraft to land at Anuradhapuram Airport its also one of the reason India forcibly recognized the Sri Lankan ownership to the island on a conditional agreement.Karuna silent those time becoz of sarkaria commission

nowadays i m thinking about a manashtan"vaiko" who is ally of NDA 😆
p.s something light joke abt Vaiko's alliance with a unsuitable person ,no offense
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Naveen_star



still there is no official contact with SL but pon promised them they wont be like congress
he minded Assembly election of TN ..lolz



Naveen u should read ,tamizharuvi maniyan statement abot Pon re Eleam issue
on friendship day special 😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Dhanvin-Jayant



Naveen u should read ,tamizharuvi maniyan statement abot Pon re Eleam issue
on friendship day special 😆😆


nope vinnu what he told,

i thought both in dream to become next CM of TN
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Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: Dhanvin-Jayant


nowadays i m thinking about a manashtan"vaiko" who is ally of NDA 😆
p.s something light joke abt Vaiko's alliance with a unsuitable person ,no offense



better Vaiko should stand alone ,being with congress or BJP ,DMK &ADMK defame him
now the greatest drawback of him is still in the alliance of BJP

anyway vaiko is only politician i respect most,i hope he broke the relationship with BJP soon
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56
i waiting to see the modi bhakthars reaction😉

by miracle ,if NDA support tamil fishermen (TN assembly election on the way) hopefully another U turn😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: Naveen_star



better Vaiko should stand alone ,being with congress or BJP ,DMK &ADMK defame him
now the greatest drawback of him is still in the alliance of BJP

anyway vaiko is only politician i respect most,i hope he broke the relationship with BJP soon



he split from DMK family politics ,Jaya arrested him as he support LTTE ,he known how subramaniyam swamy irritated tamilians yet he support BJP last time congress vaiko known all these ,but still unavoidable to be part those party
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Posted: 11 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: Naveen_star



nope vinnu what he told,

i thought both in dream to become next CM of TN



Its about Tamil eleam which is nt necessary here,i will PM u

anybody can dream it ,of course ,last time Pon told 2016 BJP will be ruling party of TN
they imposing hindi ,they following all the policy of UPA about Tamilnadu ,so they can continue their dream😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: Naveen_star

^^ ,u can find thousand n thousands of books like history of ceylone in old library and book markets ,just written by dutch govt or trader doesnt legal document ,media and newspaper defending modi jee by showing such a baseless argument or tamil nadu bjpian blame only congress
There is a Registered Document
(Registration No. 510/1880, Book 1, Volume 16) evidencing the fact that on 23.06.1880, eight coastal villages and four Island, including the Katchatheevu Island, belong to the Ramanathapuram Sethupathy's were given in lease by the District Collector, Madurai jointly to one Abdul Kadar Marakayar and Muthusamy Pillai. In the year 1822 the east india company signed an agreement with ramanad king to use sixty nine village and 7 island(including katchatheevu) for their trading purpose.(if u have doubt plz go and check it in Sarawathi mahal archives )

if govt want to find a solution for this ,they can but they wont this is true fact of indian Govt

then CM karuna is a monster who still drinking the bloods of innocent tamilian for the sake of his own family ...nothing more to argue about him

For strange reasons Karunanidhi did not resort to judicial remedy to uphold the just claims. He should have challenged the ceding of the island to Sri Lanka on the following grounds. It was Indian territory and there was irrefutable evidence to prove the ownership claims. Second ceding Indian territory to a nieghbouring country requires constitutional amendment. It should be pointed out recourse to judicial remedy was successfully pursued by BC Roy, Chief Minister of West Bengal, when Jawaharlal Nehru wanted to transfer Beru Bari to Pakistan. Karunanidhi could also have insisted that the ownership claims over the island be referred to the Supreme Court for its opinion. It may be recalled that legal luminaries like MC Setalvad were of view that the island belonged to India.
Indira Gandhi pointed out that Katchatheevu Island is being ceded not on the basis of records but for other political reasons,without the concern of tamilnadu (sure Karuna wont interpt it but better to ask the opinion of Tamil fishermen this is so called federalism)Though the island was ceded to Sri Lanka, Articles V and VI of the agreement safeguarded the traditional fishing rights of Indian fishermen and also their right to visit the island for pilgrimage and drying of nets without a visa. Unfortunately the fishing rights were sacrificed in 1976, when the maritime boundary in the Gulf of Mannar and Bay of Bengal was delimited.
.This agreement which makes a mockery of the Indian Constitution, is according to ex External Affairs Minister, Mr.S.M.Krishna, as declared by him before the parliament "a solemn agreement.as far SC in 1960sif any Indian territory is to be handed over to any other country, it should be ratified in the Parliament by way of a Constitutional Amendment under Article 368. But it has not been done and, therefore, handing over of Kachchatheevu is unconstitutional.even the present central govt doens correct the affidavit before the SC.

According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, territorial waters means the area from the baseline on the coast to 12 nautical miles into the sea, she said, adding that as per this definition, the 285-acre, uninhabited Katchatheevu islet, lying at a distance of 11 nautical miles from Ramanathapuram, fell within Indian waters. so SL navy have no right to kill the fishermen ,

but who is real victims of all political drama of BJP,Congress,DMK etc , innocent fishermen


- You can cherry-pick as much as you want. In addition to books, I have clearly stated that there are official Dutch, British and Portuguese documents and correspondences that show Ceylonese ownership claim/administration over Kachchatheevu like Indian records. (Luminary Swaran Singh: Tamil Nadu, Goa, Bombay, British and Dutch archives). Your assumption that counter-views are being propagated by the media is hollow as these arguments have existed since 1970s when the media wasn't a big force. Apart from that, historical books written by authors are as important as legal documents in history to make a claim and prove it.
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- South Berubari belonged to India by the Radcliffe line drawn but to Pakistan according to Radcliffe's written statement. The Bagge Tribunal was held in 1948 specifically to resolve all territorial disputes between the 2 countries. Since Pakistan made no claim at the tribunal, Berubari was automatically seen as an Indian territory. It was only between 1950-1952 that Pakistan laid claims and the Nehru-Noon Accord was signed. This was contested in the court and the court ruled that the exchange wasn't valid till a constitutional amendment for the cession of South Berubari was made. The constitution was amended to make the cession valid. Berubari came to India because of the 1971 Bangladeshi war of independence which made the amendment unimplementable in this case. Bangladesh agreed to cede Berubari but India had to give Dahagram and Agarpota. There is dispute over ratification in this case as well yet the treaties are in force. The original author's argument that it was the judiciary that brought back Berubari is baseless. Kachchatheevu is a different issue altogether. Sri Lanka has laid claims since pre-independence days unlike Pakistan. Even if the SC passes a judgement stating that the islet was an Indian territory, its ruling isn't binding on Sri Lanka and India would have to make a constitutional amendment to confirm the cession to SL or get the islet back which can't be legally done unilaterally. It would have to either swap territories (and Sri Lanka isn't swapping nuts) or make an amendment to confirm cession.
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- To cede an Indian territory, constitutional amendment and ratification is required. Kachchatheevu was called a 'disputed territory'. For obvious reasons, Karunanidhi and others should have sought the Supreme Court's ruling on this. As the islet was called a 'disputed territory', the government could give it away to Sri Lanka without a constitutional amendment.
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- India is a hybrid of federal and unitary structures. Indira Gandhi did it for political and personal reasons and the excuse she gave was records. She couldn't have done it without stating the reason as conflicting records.
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- S. M. Krishna said, "I wish to bring to the attention of the august House that our fishermen have access to visit the Island for rest, for drying of nets and for the annual St. Anthony's Festival, and that the rights do not cover fishing around Kachchatheevu Island," He had further noted, "We will have to also bear in mind the fact that as per the Agreements we have concluded with Sri Lanka in 1974 and 1976, Kachchatheevu Island lies on the Sri Lankan side of the maritime boundary line. These agreements were laid before the Parliament. Therefore, as far as the Government of India is concerned, the issue of the maritime boundary between India and Sri Lanka, and consequently, that of sovereignty over Kachchatheevu Island is a settled matter." - 26 August, 2011 - Speech to the Lok Sabha.
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- There is no connection between nautical miles and killing. Killing of fishermen under the Law of the Sea isn't allowed at all regardless of whether the fishermen are in your waters or some other country's. Besides, area around Kachchatheevu is a historic bay. The Territorial Sea laws don't apply to historic bays. Only good thing about this is that India's claim for fishing rights (at the International Tribunal for Law of the Sea) would be stronger.

There are two sides to an argument and one side almost always turns a blind eye to the other.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#60
^^^who seen this argument as blind ? u can point anything on behalf of srilanka or supporting union govt
just by pointing books, i many time told quote from the book doesnt make any sense to me ,see its based on the writer,if u come to the conclusion i couldnt help ,how many author writing the books by historical and field research,writing by secondary sources doesnt make a complete history,still there is lot primary sources is there like copper plate, document again and again u told the same dutch write ,french write ,english write why not ceylone writer too told kachchatheevu part of SL,why not i can write a book claim srilanka as part of india with vijain historical background ,400 yrs later people should stand as SL part of india??

The research document, issued by the geographer, "U.S. Department of State - Bureau of Intelligence and Research" dated December 12,1975, has recorded ( with a disclaimer) that " The historicity of Palk -bay was resolved by the decision of Madras High Court in 1903-1904 in Annakumaru Pillai Vs Muthupayal case.ver the islet, Kachcha- theevu, the ruler, Raja (King) of Ramnad had exercised sovereignty and jurisdiction continuously; that was also recognised by the then rulers of Ceylon, the Dutch Company, as could be seen from the Treaty of 1660.The Raja of Ramnad had granted leases of chank bed and the adjacent areas in 1870-1873,1875,1880, 1889. Also the documents, the Memoirs of the Governor of Ceylon from 1757 to 1762, the treaty of 1766 by King of Kandi , the letter of Lt .Governor of Ceylon in1845, clearly show that the islet Kachcha theevu was under the sovereignty of king of Ramnad, which was a vassal State' of Brtish India.
After India became independent, the islet was part of Ramanathapuram district in Tamil Nadu; its survey number was 1250; it is so recorded in the Gazetteer- Ramanathapuram' published in 1972 by Tamil Nadu Government. sri lankan writers also the same like they write whatever

i could not understand the if a country claim a territory of indian before independence so u can gave away to them but another country claimed after Independence so its not belong to them,...what a joke there is nation called pakistan born only after independent so they can claim the territory only after 1950s but srilanka excited from the ancient so time factors doesn't a matter here stands of u regarding beru bari make me to laugh Nehru-noon accord doesnt make such mockery by indira did ,Indira consider as Durga by Bangladesh ppl so she gave Dahagram and Agarpota the same time she gave away kachchatheevu to SL ,becoz indira Gandhi, had handed over Kachchatheevu due to her personal relations with then Sri Lankan Prime Minister Sirima Bandaranaike.Kachhatheevu not inhabited ,kind of porambokku land,but it make a significant in fishermen life today
its all done by Indira's own political gain.
S.M krishna brainless like H.Raja,What a load of Rubbish in their speech everytime
may u can made statement Kachchatheevu belong to srilanka and but they could not kill the fishermen who crossing the border but the situation entilry opposite in the field ,they are not only killing rameshwaram fisherman Nagapattnam,vedharaniyam fisherman too killed by though they are not crossing the border

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