Did the Holocaust really take place? - Page 2

Originally posted by: -Roshan-

This was one of my first research tools that really put me to thoughts. This documentary was filmed and produced by a Jewish man himself.

No, I am not a Holocaust denier - I never was! But then, when you are presented with alternative facts, your mind and soul will oscillate between accepting the facts and reviewing the other side of the coin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCOjOj4RAU

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

You could do better than believing in a video produced by a guy whose credibility was shredded, recanted his statements and actually completely changed his identity to alienate himself from such productions.

PS: He isn't a real Jew.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

You could do better than believing in a video produced by a guy whose credibility was shredded, recanted his statements and actually completely changed his identity to alienate himself from such productions.

PS: He isn't a real Jew.

He isn't a real Jew? Why? On what basis have you concluded that?

no it did not take place...😛 that is if one believes nut jobs, neo-nazis, anti-semite conspiracy theorists in the ME, and are otherwise so oblivious to things that one wouldn't know their right fat ass from their left. 😆

^^Anybody remember Ahmadinejad? Just askin.

If you go by the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, every event exists as a wave function which contains every possible outcome of that event. When observed, the wave function collapses into the actual outcome.

Going by the Many Worlds Interpretation, every possible outcome of any event is realized in a separate universe which exists alongside our own.

Which means, in one universe Nazis massacred Jews, in another universe Jews massacred Nazis, in a different universe Jews and Nazis were friends and in yet another universe there were no Jews or Nazis. And so on.

Going back to the observation aspect of this post, historians observed that Nazis massacred Jews in this universe.

So, yes, holocaust happened in this universe.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

^Excellent hokum. 👏

Hokum huh? That's a big word. How long have you been waiting to use that in a sentence?

Now that we got the barbs out of the way, I can see how some of what I say might come across as hokum to certain people whose debating styles are hackneyed and have not evolved with time. I don't mean any disrespect; it's just constructive criticism.

The question was pretty simple. Did holocaust take place? To my mind, the answer is simpler. Check with historians.

Now, who are these historians, what makes them the authority on something that has happened in the past, what is historiography, how do historians analyze facts, how do historians come up with a narrative of what happened, all of this is not debate material; it is information freely available for anyone ready enough to absorb it.

Are historians objective? Did they exhibit bias? We could debate that but how do you think we would end up establishing the veracity of those stories, those videos, those journals, those articles, those tales of yore? Who or which source do we trust? Wouldn't that mean the debate will stretch forever with incessant name calling ("you are anti-Semite!", "you are not very erudite!", "you are a Neo-Nazi!", "You are cuckoo!") in between?

This is why I augmented my original one line argument ("historians corroborated holocaust") with alternatives. A scenario where all possibilities play out in the vast cosmos. Backed by science whose premise is impregnable.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Hokum huh? That's a big word. How long have you been waiting to use that in a sentence?

Now that we got the barbs out of the way, I can see how some of what I say might come across as hokum to certain people whose debating styles are hackneyed and have not evolved with time. I don't mean any disrespect; it's just constructive criticism.

The question was pretty simple. Did holocaust take place? To my mind, the answer is simpler. Check with historians.

Now, who are these historians, what makes them the authority on something that has happened in the past, what is historiography, how do historians analyze facts, how do historians come up with a narrative of what happened, all of this is not debate material; it is information freely available for anyone ready enough to absorb it.

Are historians objective? Did they exhibit bias? We could debate that but how do you think we would end up establishing the veracity of those stories, those videos, those journals, those articles, those tales of yore? Who or which source do we trust? Wouldn't that mean the debate will stretch forever with incessant name calling ("you are anti-Semite!", "you are not very erudite!", "you are a Neo-Nazi!", "You are cuckoo!") in between?

This is why I augmented my original one line argument ("historians corroborated holocaust") with alternatives. A scenario where all possibilities play out in the vast cosmos. Backed by science whose premise is impregnable.

I meant "hokum" in a positive way, K. As in, the Quantam Mechanics example you exhibited. Nothing like counter-hokum to counter neo-Nazi hokum, is what I meant.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

I meant "hokum" in a positive way, K. As in, the Quantam Mechanics example you exhibited. Nothing like counter-hokum to counter neo-Nazi hokum, is what I meant.

Oh! There goes the (manufactured) passion out the window then.

Rth, I am telling based on your reply to my post.

^The war would never have occurred had Germany not carried out foreign incursions. The Holocaust wouldn't have meant shite to the Western powers if the Balance of Power wasn't disrupted.