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Posted: 16 years ago
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Absolutely which is what had been done for centuries (and is still being done), actually. The very same questions that you see in the OP (or the ones you have turned the OP's questions into, in red) are the same questions that had been asked to the homosexual community for years, during their psychotherapy or reparative therapy that they were obliged to attend / go through. The entire purpose of putting this thread and asking questions (just reversing the order, i.e. questions that had been asked to the homosexual community is now being asked to the heterosexual community) is to test the reaction of the average heterosexuals, and people opposed to homosexuality, to see how they would react seeing the table being turned over and being asked the same questions that they had been asking others for centuries.

The questionnaire was an intentional sarcasm, a form of test, (more than an attack) to figure out the reaction and response of the heterosexual community, or people opposed to homosexuality, to see whether they would react the same way the homosexuals had for years.

Seems like you missed the entire purpose of the thread.

You are, as far as I understand, going through your post (correct me if I'm being wrong) under the impression that the questionnaire is an attack on heterosexuality in order to prove or support homosexuality. This isn't correct. The purpose of the questionnaire is to raise the awareness that questioning homosexuality is just as much as an absurdity as question heterosexuality is.

This, however, does prove what this thread was meant to prove, and show what this thread was meant to show that an average heterosexual would react and feel the same way an average homosexual would if/when asked the same obnoxious and odious questions. This, I assume, would at least explain how the homosexual community feels when they are constantly asked the same question (i.e. how they "turned" into a gay overnight, how they "choose" to be a gay, what "caused" them to be gay, when they "decided" to be a gay, why they "intentionally" put step into this path, do they know that the "condition" they are in now is actually a "phase" and would go away with time, that the person they love with their heart is an "unnatural", "diseased" and "cursed" love, why they flaunt their "gayness", etc).

P.S. Great signature. You did not put anyone's name on it, so I'm assuming you penned that down yourself?

Edited by PhoeniXof_Hades - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#12
POH, is that you in your display? 😆

Maybe its someone popular that i dont recognize lolz, i am a bit slow in technology and other things ( most things 😆)

Sorry nandni for not sticking to your topic, i dont care homo or hetro lolz..everyone has the right to live their lives without being attacked by the society's rubbish.

Xoxo
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Posted: 16 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*


The whole basis of this argument stands on the single assumption that homosexuality is, in fact, purely a natural phenomenon.



Question comes, how does one defines natural? The dictionary definition of natural states things that conforms to nature. If homosexuality is found extensively in nature, then, does it not stand that homosexuality is indeed natural?

Bear it in mind that 'natural' and 'moral' are different things. The simplest example I can think of right away is that working on a computer (and, furthermore, in the net) is 'unnatural' (as a computer hasn't been formed naturally, but artificially by human beings), and yet it is a 'normal' or 'moral' thing. On the same hand, we rape and cannibalism to be natural phenomenon (as they happen extensively in nature, thus making it 'natural') but they are still immoral actions/deeds.

Thus the entire "natural vs. unnatural" or "natural = good" and "unnatural = bad" argument is hypocritical if not ridiculous.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#14
Right without dwelling too much into natural and moral 😆

- being natural, i guess what ajnu meant that its norm for opposites to attract, as people progress they tend to get wilder and crazier..but the natural norms stands the same.

The natural norm being

Being Born
Educating
Being in love
Marrying
Reproductioln
Old age
Death

Now as the world moves on, we fuse our ideas in the natural norm to make it more ''Modern'' - now Someone old fashioned would highly disapprove and look down on homos wont they? and modern would accept it

Anyways, i guess i typed total rubbish 😆

i am outta here,, bedtime! 😆

Xoxo

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Posted: 16 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Absolutely which is what had been done for centuries (and is still being done), actually. The very same questions that you see in the OP (or the ones you have turned the OP's questions into, in red) are the same questions that had been asked to the homosexual community for years, during their psychotherapy or reparative therapy that they were obliged to attend / go through. The entire purpose of putting this thread and asking questions (just reversing the order, i.e. questions that had been asked to the homosexual community is now being asked to the heterosexual community) is to test the reaction of the average heterosexuals, and people opposed to homosexuality, to see how they would react seeing the table being turned over and being asked the same questions that they had been asking others for centuries.

The questionnaire was an intentional sarcasm, a form of test, (more than an attack) to figure out the reaction and response of the heterosexual community, or people opposed to homosexuality, to see whether they would react the same way the homosexuals had for years.

Seems like you missed the entire purpose of the thread.

You are, as far as I understand, going through your post (correct me if I'm being wrong) under the impression that the questionnaire is an attack on heterosexuality in order to prove or support homosexuality. This isn't correct. The purpose of the questionnaire is to raise the awareness that questioning homosexuality is just as much as an absurdity as question heterosexuality is.

This, however, does prove what this thread was meant to prove, and show what this thread was meant to show that an average heterosexual would react and feel the same way an average homosexual would if/when asked the same obnoxious and odious questions. This, I assume, would at least explain how the homosexual community feels when they are constantly asked the same question (i.e. how they "turned" into a gay overnight, how they "choose" to be a gay, what "caused" them to be gay, when they "decided" to be a gay, why they "intentionally" put step into this path, do they know that the "condition" they are in now is actually a "phase" and would go away with time, that the person they love with their heart is an "unnatural", "diseased" and "cursed" love, why they flaunt their "gayness", etc).

P.S. Great signature. You did not put anyone's name on it, so I'm assuming you penned that down yourself?



Labib, I get the point of the questionnaire, it is just the questions I don't agree with. I see the sarcasm, etc., but it doesn't create the same impact on me as it perhaps does on you.

Also, regarding the whole natural/unnatural deal, oh boy, haven't we gone down that road way too many times already? I've told you before, and if I haven't, here it is - I have a very thick skull, and I'm full of myself. I usually don't have the patience to involve myself in such long debates. And I don't want to waste your time either. But I will tell you one thing for sure - that your arguments are impressive and have made an impact on me - so thank you for that. Also, I'm quite impatient, bitter, and light-headed right now, and when you tell me that the purpose of this thread went over my head, I'll be honest, I want to bite your head off. So, for your sake and mine, I shall maintain my silence. 😆

Nope, I did not write the signature, I'm sure there's an author, I'm just not sure who it is. Its a very common quote though.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: nandinidev

This questionnaire is meant to drive a point home, and by answering it the way you did, you actually confirmed what it is attempting to convey. With each and every answer. Each question is an inversion of the questions asked to Gay people, simply substituting 'Homosexual' with 'Heterosexual'. The questions you had no reasonable answer to, because you found the question ridiculous in itself, are just as ridiculous when asked to homosexuals in their context, eg. the ones in Purple. And some questions would elicit the exact same response from them, so if your respone is valid, theirs is equally so, eg the ones in Green.

In fact, most of these questions are not meant to be answered, simple because they have no reasonable answers, which i'm sure you will have noticed, and that is precisely the point. If heterosexuals feel that such questions are ridiculous and not rationally answerable, this is not true.. for normal humans many of these can be answered...using empirical and scientific evidenceso do homosexals when they're asked the same questions in their context, they dont have any answers cause their existence is not even scientifically established to be an intrinsic trait as though they're the most obvious questions, with the most obvious answers in the world.
@the red bit...this is what i mean...you're viewing the world in terms of a bi-polarity...you're either Heterosexual, or you're something else, which is exactly the idea i'm refuting as an understanding of human beings. The whole idea of this questionnaire is to bring out how sexual orientation being viewed in particular ways is all part of a social initiative to define a human being in accordance with certain norms of conduct defined by society itself, not Nature, as you'd very much like to believe. The individual is denied something as basic as to define his or her own sexuality, because society virtually imposes a standard of heterosexuality on him/her. Anything deviating from that is, as you put it, 'against natural laws', which is another argument i completely disagree with. Something is not natural because you think it is natural. If your idea of Nature is based on what you consider a part of it, then the whole idea ceases to be natural, and becomes social. I've been through this Homosexuality-Is-Not-Natural routine before. Mods'll probably shut the topic ifi repeat all that in detail. In a nutshell, in saying that something is not Natural, you're obviously equating it with something that hasn't been seen in Nature, ie the animal world, say. There are also many other practices we do see on society but not in Nature, like marriage, for instance. Is that 'against the laws of nature' too, then? Secondly, homosexuals may be 'perverts', as you choose to term them, but they're very much human beings. So by saying that what they do is not natural, are you saying that human beings are NOT a part of Nature? If they are, then what they do is a part of nature. Then how is it against its laws?
I could go on and on on this and more, but what i can also see clearly in your answers is the fact that there is no way you and I can possibly agree on this issue, lol, so i'd say let's agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
cheers! 😊




Ok there is a slight difference though.. When you talk of humans in general there is a general accepted behavior pattern... I mean if you visit some tribes in africa.. i am sure you wont find any tribes eating from their rear-end..due to some unique genetic trait Now you trying to do inversion of questions doesn't hold any water simply because they lack validity in that context. You could ask the same questions to a criminal and to a hardworking individual and be swept away with admiration at the similarity... The reason we wouldnt agree is simple.. you won;t be able to furnish an iota of scientific evidence.. which is rational and explains homosexuality.. And I answered these questions as far as I am concerned.. Just like a compulsive alcoholic the homosexual is unable to explain his addiction but refrains his helplessness all the same...

Also the question i asked at your question is simply because I was expecting you to cite a life-style change of some kind....celibacy for one 😉......but I know I could lead to this with that rhetoric...😆


Ok... and to add to the absurdity.. how did THEY answer this question?😆😆... where did the children come from...
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7. Would you want your children to be heterosexual, knowing the problems they'd have to face?
Edited by qwertyesque - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

How about this instead:



I don't know why people who support homosexuality feel the need to bring down heterosexuality, or even to question other people's heterosexual tendencies. Can one not prove the existence of homosexuality without claiming heterosexuality to be a phase you grow out of, or a neurotic fear of the same sex, or unhealthy role playing stemming from stereotyped sex roles? Do all those questions not apply to homosexuality as well? If homosexuality is a choice, then why can't it be that perhaps heterosexuality is a choice as well? Why is it that those who are heterosexual are because society expects them to be, or because they do not know any better?

P.S. This post wasn't directed at the topic starter, but rather at the questionnaire itself, and those who came up with it.



Its simple - perv's find that given the state of issues associated with homosexuality.. they stand a greater chance of establishing apparent credibility.. havent you heard of situations where people can call a lie a truth just by adding number of voices supportin the lie.....the sad situation here is these voices are tryng to add voices to "sun rises in the west" and make it appear that west is the real east... and that day and night should be perceived differently....😆


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Posted: 16 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

@nandini:

Haha, good job flipping it all around on me. 😆 Actually, what I was getting at there was that those who support homosexuality know that arguments made against homosexuality are based on similar ideology, and they refute it calling it illogical, but then why are they applying the same argument against heterosexuality?

Yes, I do see that the point of the questionnaire is to raise this very point. However, I will say that just because the argument is turned around on heterosexuals, it doesn't really support homosexuality in any sense, but only perhaps attempts to refute heterosexuality. The whole basis of this argument stands on the single assumption that homosexuality is, in fact, purely a natural phenomenon.

hehe...😉
I won't repeat what Labib said, because that just about summed it up. The whole idea of the questionnaire is not to refute either one of them, really, just to say that they both exist, and do so on the same plane, which is why to place one above or below the other is absurd in either case. It is just that Homosexuality is the one that finds itself placed below, and hence the inversion to show that if Heterosexuality being 'brought down', like you said, is absurd, the same applies to Homosexuality.
And yes, the argument does stand on the assumption that Homosexuality as well as Heterosexuality are both equally natural phenomena. Like you said, we've been down that road a million times already, lol, but in a nutshell, my view on the whole Homosexuality-Is-Unnatural stance is unrelated to its moral status. I just do not find any credibility in the arguments offered in support for this statement, like we do not see same sex links in the animal world, because we don't see alot of other things in the animal world that are quite peacefully accepted in the social world; are they to be termed Unnatural too? And the whole idea of not including human beings when Nature is spoken of. If Man is a part of nature, what Man does is a part of Nature too.
Cheers! 😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: the_Naked_face

Right without dwelling too much into natural and moral 😆

- being natural, i guess what ajnu meant that its norm for opposites to attract, as people progress they tend to get wilder and crazier..but the natural norms stands the same.

The natural norm being

Being Born
Educating
Being in love
Marrying
Reproductioln
Old age
Death

Now as the world moves on, we fuse our ideas in the natural norm to make it more ''Modern'' - now Someone old fashioned would highly disapprove and look down on homos wont they? and modern would accept it

Anyways, i guess i typed total rubbish 😆

i am outta here,, bedtime! 😆

Xoxo

See, this is exactly what I'm driving at. The very use of the word 'norm' illustrates my point. Who are we to determine what 'natural norms' are? Can it not be that since Man is part of Nature, and there are patterns in human relationships that also consist of same-sex attraction, that is as much a part of the 'natural norm' as the idea of opposites attracting? And if it is, then why must the latter be condoned and the former ridiculed?
The entire list you've presented is the conventional social definition of how an individual lives his/her life in society. Deviation from this very pattern is what causes social anxiety, since it is a deviation from the pattern of human existence as society defines and accepts it. Choosing a path aside from this flow-chart-like existence is therefore a departure from social norm, not natural norm.
Cheers! 😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: nandinidev

hehe...😉

I won't repeat what Labib said, because that just about summed it up. The whole idea of the questionnaire is not to refute either one of them, really, just to say that they both exist, and do so on the same plane, which is why to place one above or below the other is absurd in either case. It is just that Homosexuality is the one that finds itself placed below, and hence the inversion to show that if Heterosexuality being 'brought down', like you said, is absurd, the same applies to Homosexuality.
And yes, the argument does stand on the assumption that Homosexuality as well as Heterosexuality are both equally natural phenomena. Like you said, we've been down that road a million times already, lol, but in a nutshell, my view on the whole Homosexuality-Is-Unnatural stance is unrelated to its moral status. I just do not find any credibility in the arguments offered in support for this statement, like we do not see same sex links in the animal world, because we don't see alot of other things in the animal world that are quite peacefully accepted in the social world; are they to be termed Unnatural too? And the whole idea of not including human beings when Nature is spoken of. If Man is a part of nature, what Man does is a part of Nature too.
Cheers! 😊



Nandini, whether or not I believe in homosexuality is irrelevant, equivalent moral status should be granted to all humans, regardless of sexuality, race, color, gender, or any other way that we've found to split the human population into a million groups.

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