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Posted: 15 years ago
Misti,
You are right. Everyone used Radhika, but in my opinion Dev's use was the least for me. The main reason is that it wasn't his idea and he was ready to reveal the truth to others. Also, he did want Radhika's permission before doing that. In his defense, at that time he had no idea that Radhika was abused so much at her house and that could be one of the reasons for her to agree to it. Nevertheless, it was Radhika's use to some extent. But, Radhika has been most unjust to Dev too. At the time of her wedding, she had no choice about what happened. But later on, when she started living with Dev, she saw the extent of his suffering. But, all the rights and wrongs of a RP living with an unmarried girl never entered her mind. She never saw his suffering, but always complained to kanha about her giving her husband to an unworthy sister. So, she used Dev big time to pay her own personal debts. Never once she thought from his view point that he is forced to live with a person whom he doesn't love and whom he hasn't married. On top of that, she used to urge Dev to forgive Vishaka by emotionally blackmailing him and stating that Vishaka's unhappiness is due to his not paying attention to Vishaka's needs. She knew very well that Vishaka never kept a single vrat for him or cared for him and was doing her film shooting breaking all PF traditions. Vishaka had earlier tried to run away with PF's jewels and gold idols in Vrindavan so that she could become actress. Radhika was the one who stopped her at that time. So, Radhika very well knew that Vishaka was only interested in becoming an actress and yet she forced Dev to stay with Vishaka. That's why Dev's use of Radhika was much less than whatever Radhika did to Dev. Also, Vishaka was trying to seduce Dev many times. Radhika, even knowing that it is a sin as well as a violation of RP dharam for Dev allowed that.
As far as Vivek and Dadi are concerned, they both had an inkling that there was some reason for Radhika to agree to calling Purab. Yet, Vivek let them threw out RAdhika because he wanted Radhika to go away before Dev came. Dadi just became helpless and yet both were so wrong. Not that it excuses their behavior, but only Vivek and Dadi were the ones to show remorse for what they did.
So, that way Dev is the only character in CB land for whom one feels true sympathy as he has been let down constantly by the people closest to him. It would be great if they show his real anger when things start coming out. That should be the cause of creating distance between Dev and Radhika rather than artificial one created by Vishaka.
As far as Vishaka is concerned, I felt sympathy for her character for several months even when she was married to Dev. She was mistreated by her father and grandmother a lot - father for not understanding her and forcing her to marry Dev and then Rajesh Sharma without even considering the damage he was doing to them and their families and grandmother for the obvious ones. It would have been great if the writers had built a story where she is shown as resourceful and succeeds despite all the obstacles. Instead, they turned her into mini Amma who wants to ruin her sister's life, the sister who has done so much for her. So, it is hard to root for her anymore. It is hard to believe that Vishaka would destroy her life for love for another guy when she was so career minded and hence was not even mildly interested in Dev (that was quite fresh for me as usually they have two sisters fighting for the same guy).
Same with Mrinalini. Any sympathy that comes for her is gone when you look at her viciousness in asking for a rape of another woman. That's why both Amma and Mrinalini's truth needs to come out. The best would be if some other woman comes in Vivek's life and he moves on. So, future tracks from my point of view should be:
1. Realization on Radhika's part about tolerating Amma's injustices. She as Rajpurohatin decides that it was not right for her to do so and exposes Amma.
2. Realization on Radhika's part that she ended up messing Dev's life and used him as her own personal property to pay her own debts. Repentance for that and making it up.
3. Vishaka gets some just deserts and has a separate story with Vikram or anybody else.
4. Mrinalini and Arjun's story - Seems to be moving in the right direction as of now.
5. Vivek's own back story and some side story for him.
6. Challenges for Dev in holding his title and both Dev and Radhika fighting hard to keep their legacy (can be more interesting). They don't need to show that Radhika is superwoman and can handle any responsibilities. Show some challenges that comes up with taking responsibility of all ashrams, mutts and mandirs.
7. Vaishali - Give her something else to do besides talking about waaris all the time.
8. Dadi - adorable as of now and her talk of waaris is justified as most daadis are always interested in grandkids anyway.
9. Waaris Issue.
10. No more burning or gufa type tracks. Just show more pure devotion rather than stupid superstitions.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: why3

So, she used Dev big time to pay her own personal debts.



Rajsri, it is interesting that you mention perception of Dev as a lallu.
I have been annoyed at him many times for not setting boundaries in his relationship with Radhika but according to me he is no lallu.

Why 3, I agree with you that whatever Radhika did to Dev in order to protect her family's honor was very wrong but I think her actions were the result of misplaced sense of obligation and not a conscious effort to take advantage of Dev. So, I disagree with the statement that she used Dev to pay her personal debts, at least not on a conscious level.
Every time she tried to coerce Vishaka or Dev into accepting their roles as husband and wife I think it is because she sincerely felt they were husband and wife in the society's eyes even though in her heart she wanted Dev and herself to be together.

My perception of Dev is so intertwined with my perception of Radhika that the moment my opinion of any one of them changes my opinion of the other changes too.

I think the creatives have chosen to show Radhika as both a survivor and as an altruistic character. I choose to see her more as a survivor than anything else. Only if I see her as such will Dev's character make any sense to me.

I do not know how my perception will change in the future but so far I also cannot see her as someone who consciously manipulates Dev. Conscious manipulations are those done by Amma, Mrinalini and Vishaka.

If I see Radhika as a schemer who wants to use Dev for her own benefit then my view of Dev changes too. For someone who has been abroad and who has probably come across people with various behavioral characteristics, if he can't figure out when someone is manipulating him then he truly is a lallu.

But I don't see him as a Lallu. I see him as a wonderful human being who in many ways like Radhika is very selfless.
~ He too would rather go through pain than let Radhika go through pain.
~So far in many situations, he has been very patient and has let Radhika figure out things at her own pace. She was never ever given this sense of control by anyone else in her life.
~Radhika had built an impenetrable wall in her mind which shielded her from all the pain she has suffered at Amma's hands and all the discrimination she has faced in society. What Dev has done is slowly tear down this wall inch by inch and got her to trust him irrevocably. Trust is a huge issue for a person like Radhka who has survived a lot of abuse.To me, that trust is what gives her the freedom to ask him favors that she would never ever ask anyone else.

As of now, I do not see her as using Dev for her own benefit but rather she sincerely believes he will listen to her side of the story without being judgmental. What she is yet to realize is that her side of the story need not always be correct or even ethical. I think she will learn that (maybe the hard way)in the coming weeks.
Edited by angake - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: angake


Rajsri, it is interesting that you mention perception of Dev as a lallu.
I have been annoyed at him many times for not setting boundaries in his relationship with Radhika but according to me he is no lallu.




Angake, Why3 ... excellent thoughts. Cannot add anything more to what Angake has said bcos while I definitely think what Rads did to Dev by concealing the truth and pushing him towards vish was very wrong, I think it was done subconsciously and not maliciously. I too see Rads as a victim of abuse and also as someone who is truly altruistic but who does not realize that her sense of doing good may not always be right.

Angake, As for the reference to Dev as lallu ... it has happened in the past but the past week it is due to his passive acceptance of Rads saying no to him for a kiss. ...IMO, I think it requires a lot of strength of will and character and tremendous self confidence to be the way he is.

Just my 2 cents ... that i prefer him like this even if he is called a lallu by a lot of people
Edited by rajsri - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago

Rajsri: I don't think of Dev as lallu even though we all have been making fun of him for last few days for not being able to kiss Radhika. He is supremely self-confident and that's why he can stand up for Radhika publicly without fear of being called hen-pecked or whatever. Even Mrin and Vaishali never dared to say that to his face and only grumbled about it in private. He can call upon Radhika's behavior as he did in Haridwar and several times after his wedding in their room rather than doing it publicly. So, am looking forward to his reaction to Radhika once he finds out the whole truth.

Angake: I don't think Radhika's actions are manipulative. She has always thought of Dev as her own at least subconsciously and therefore, asked him to do things for her. She has never asked anybody else to do anything for her. But, many times her actions were due to Vishaka rather than due to Dev. She is used to doing things for Vishaka - forgiving her and cleaning up her mess and not really letting Vishaka facing any consequences. She expected Dev to do the same.
Whenever, Vishaka messed up with Dev, she asked Dev to be the understanding one by stating that he wasn't fulfilling his duty towards Vishaka. When Dev finally found about Vishaka's true nature (after Radhika was kicked out) and decided to divorce her, Radhika went to Dev and asked him to give Vishaka another chance. When Dev mentioned that neither Vishaka nor he were interested in this marriage and that Vishaka and Dev 's marriage were ruining three lives, that of Radhika Vishaka and Dev. At that time, Radhika argued that Dev can not do that as a divorced woman has very little status in the society. She never once mentioned that maybe Dev's RP title would be in danger if it happens. Even when Vishaka ran away, she wanted Dev to bring her back. So, she wanted Dev to continue to forgive Vishaka and live with a woman who was neither married to Dev and was never interested in Dev.
As far as Dev seeing through this, he never knew that he was married to Radhika. Hence, there was always a guilt feeling in his association with Radhika. He accepted Radhika's lectures as he always thought that Radhika was his wife's sister and was pushing him away because of his marriage.
Radhika is not shown to be malicious person, but as Misti mentioned they did give her terrible dialogues. They could have shown her feeling remorse in private that she is doing this to Dev. I think that's why a lot of viewers became against her characterization at that time. In fact, now I find her to be more sympathetic as she is trying to balance lot of roles. There is growth in her now as she is showing some feelings of conflict even though she is still hiding things. The problem is that creatives in every soap make their leads somewhat illogical and inconsistent to move the story forward. Thankfully, they haven't done that to Dev's character yet, but they have made Radhika's character weak or strong as it suited their storylines. She was shown to be strong even with Amma at crucial moments in the beginning of the show, but became quiet weak at another crucial moment during the wedding so that Vishaka could be propped up.
However, as a viewer I would still root for Radhika to succeed because she is shown to be a truly nice person and does deserve all the happiness. But, there need to some sort of scenes where she is shown to realize her mistakes. Her actions should not be praised as some sign of greatness on her part.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: rajsri

<br><br>Angake, Why3 ... excellent thoughts. Cannot add anything more to what Angake has said bcos while I definitely think what Rads did to Dev by concealing the truth and pushing him towards vish was very wrong, I think it was done subconsciously and not maliciously. I too see Rads as a victim of abuse and also as someone who is truly altruistic but who does not realize that her sense of doing good may not always be right.<br><br>Angake, As for the reference to Dev as lallu ... it has happened in the past but the past week it is due to his passive acceptance of Rads saying no to him for a kiss. ...IMO, I think it requires a lot of strength of will and character and tremendous self confidence to be the way he is. <br><br>Just my 2 cents ... that i prefer him like this even if he is called a lallu by a lot of people<br>



Oh thaaaaat! Now see what you made me do Rajsri. I had decided not to post looong posts just this last week !!!!

No, you are right he is not a lallu but I have to confess there have been times in the past month where I have wanted to sit with him and give him a lesson on how to get a kiss from your wife at lightning speed before one of the eggplant color sari clad maids interrupted them. 😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
Angake, I am SHOCKED! Are you taking on the role of Dev's you-know-what (I am not sure I am allowed to use the word in IF) therapist? Well, well, well. I got to see another side of you today!!!!!
😉😉😉
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: gardes

Angake, I am SHOCKED! Are you taking onthe role ofDev's you-know-what (I am not sure I am allowed to use the word in IF) therapist? Well, well, well. I got to see another side of you today!!!!!

😉😉😉


👏👏👏



Gardes, your 'you-know-what' phrase had my head spinning. I was thinking of all the possibilities. 😉

Sure, I will be Dev babu's uhmmmm therapist. 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: why3

Rajsri: I don't think of Dev as lallu even though we all have been making fun of him for last few days for not being able to kiss Radhika. He is supremely self-confident and that's why he can stand up for Radhika publicly without fear of being called hen-pecked or whatever. Even Mrin and Vaishali never dared to say that to his face and only grumbled about it in private. He can call upon Radhika's behavior as he did in Haridwar and several times after his wedding in their room rather than doing it publicly. So, am looking forward to his reaction to Radhika once he finds out the whole truth.


Angake: I don't think Radhika's actions are manipulative. She has always thought of Dev as her own at least subconsciously and therefore, asked him to do things for her. She has never asked anybody else to do anything for her. But, many times her actions were due to Vishaka rather than due to Dev. She is used to doing things for Vishaka - forgiving her and cleaning up her mess and not really letting Vishaka facing any consequences. She expected Dev to do the same.


Whenever, Vishaka messed up with Dev, she asked Dev to be the understanding one by stating that he wasn't fulfilling his duty towards Vishaka. When Dev finally found about Vishaka's true nature (after Radhika was kicked out) and decided to divorce her, Radhika went to Dev and asked him to give Vishaka another chance. When Dev mentioned that neither Vishaka nor he were interested in this marriage and that Vishaka and Dev 's marriage were ruining three lives, that of Radhika Vishaka and Dev. At that time, Radhika argued that Dev can not do that as a divorced woman has very little status in the society. She never once mentioned that maybe Dev's RP title would be in danger if it happens. Even when Vishaka ran away, she wanted Dev to bring her back. So, she wanted Dev to continue to forgive Vishaka and live with a woman who was neither married to Dev and was never interested in Dev.


As far as Dev seeing through this, he never knew that he was married to Radhika. Hence, there was always a guilt feeling in his association with Radhika. He accepted Radhika's lectures as he always thought that Radhika was his wife's sister and was pushing him away because of his marriage.


Radhika is not shown to be malicious person, but as Misti mentioned they did give her terrible dialogues. They could have shown her feeling remorse in private that she is doing this to Dev. I think that's why a lot of viewers became against her characterization at that time. In fact, now I find her to be more sympathetic as she is trying to balance lot of roles. There is growth in her now as she is showing some feelings of conflict even though she is still hiding things. The problem is that creatives in every soap make their leads somewhat illogical and inconsistent to move the story forward. Thankfully, they haven't done that to Dev's character yet, but they have made Radhika's character weak or strong as it suited their storylines. She was shown to be strong even with Amma at crucial moments in the beginning of the show, but became quiet weak at another crucial moment during the wedding so that Vishaka could be propped up.


However, as a viewer I would still root for Radhika to succeed because she is shown to be a truly nice person and does deserve all the happiness. But, there need to some sort of scenes where she is shown to realize her mistakes. Her actions should not be praised as some sign of greatness on her part.



I agree why 3. Especially about the bad dialogues and lack of remorse evident in Radhika.

Radhika's expectations from Dev to do the right thing ( which is in complete contrast to what we viewers think is right) was wrong and unrealistic.
My only take is that I don't think Radhika ever did anything she asked of Dev out of a malicious sense of using him for her benefit and there in lies the difference between her and others like Mrin and Vishaka. If she does use him then it is completely on a subconscious level. So I cannot agree, when we collectively on this forum say she manipulates Dev.

Most of the time we humans are not aware of the things our subconscious mind makes us do. But when someone points it out, our subconscious acts comes to our conscious mind and then it is up to the person to rectify it or make amends. And that is the reason, like you said, I was so happy to see her trying to fight her inner demons this last week. Earlier, she would never even consider what she was doing was wrong. Now that Dev very vocally points out about Vishaka's selfish behaviors maybe Radhika is being more conscious of the same.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: angake



Gardes, your 'you-know-what' phrase had my head spinning. I was thinking of all the possibilities. 😉

Sure, I will be Dev babu's uhmmmm therapist. 😊

Oh come on Angake! 😲😲 You knew exactly what I meant!!! 😉😉 And I bet you and the rest of the females in the forum would love to "demonstrate" to Dev the hows and wherefores of the birds and the bees!! But I am hoping even he is not that much of a "lallu" about it! 😆😆
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Originally posted by: gardes

Oh come on Angake! 😲😲 You knew exactly what I meant!!! 😉😉 And I bet you and the rest of the females in the forum would love to "demonstrate" to Dev the hows and wherefores of the birds and the bees!! But I am hoping even he is not that much of a"lallu" about it! 😆😆[/DIV]



Who me ???? 😲 Hai Hai gardes why would I want to do that. I am a very happily and extremely satisfied married woman. 😃

Are you sure we are allowed to have this conversation on IF. 😊

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