Chandra Nandini 31-33:Extended finale;Nos.46-47pg 120;No.48 pg 128 - Page 5

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Posted: 8 years ago
#41
1) Aunty, I think Chanakya has some trick up his sleeve (read Shikha)...I think naapit's dirty secret which Sunanda is aware if, is to be revealed...hence Nand is still alive...it's definitely NOT a case of a look alike...
2)Aunty, Mura's steely determination was because of the fact that her son was alive...n so she had "HOPE" ...however miniscule that hope was, yet, it was there...
For Nandini, with her entire male kin wiped out, in a strong patriarchal society, she has lost all hope & is at the mercy of Chandra...it's good that she has realised that & has stopped her empty threats in her hoarse n jarring voice & her teeth grinding & her eyes popping 😆...yes, she was a sorry figure yesterday when she was begging Chandra to kill her...n yes, I could not help but feel sorry for her..the way I felt for all the ladies of the Nand clan...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">MY ABBREVIATED TAKE ON TONIGHT'S EPISODE</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I was not at all impressed with Nandini's total collapse, Sri. I did not much like her approach to Helena either, with the appeal to feminine solidarity, but that was still OK. This made me feel ashamed of her, for her lack of pride, her pathetic wailing, her begging at Chandra's feet to be killed.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And no, I was NOT moved by that last. What sort of warrior princess is this? If she had reacted with cold, collected spunk, I would have forgiven her all her trespasses of the last week But she let herself down badly.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Contrast this with Mura's steely, unyielding tenacity and her arrogant sneering at Nand, even when she was at her lowest. Now that is queenly. This girl is just like Chandra's foster mother, with none of the resilience and the backbone of a true royal. I would not normally say this, but it is her father's plebeian genes that are at play here. Avantika would never have wailed and howled so loudly that she could be heard all over the palace.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And contrast this also with the same Nandini's total lack of any feeling for poor chained Mura, a beaten old woman, when she went and taunted her. Then it did not matter to her that a helpless woman was treated like that. Now that she had copped identical treatment - which, incidentally, had been on my wish list, as you can see from my last but one post , Vengeance is mine!, where I had said:</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">If I was Chandra, I would have chained Nandini up in the same spot in the same way, and made Nand watch that before decapitating him in front of her -</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">she wails and howls like a banshee. Some warrior princess! She is nothing but a straw woman. and the stuffing is all coming out now by the handful.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I was not particularly impressed with Durdhara either. She seems to be getting ready to commiserate with Nandini's aseem peedha, and pretty soon, before we know where we are, she will become her chamchi no.1.</font>
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Also, she bids fair to be a promoter of Chandra's alarming new lachrymose tendencies, which are already giving me the willies. 😲Someone ought to tell the director that if they keep giving Rajat such weepy scenes, he will soon reduce the tale to a soggy mess and push the TRPs below 1. As it is, the kind of facial expressions he adopted today after coming back from the karaagrih did not suit him at all.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">The best thing I liked about the post was the precap. Poor, dear Chandra. Every time his Acharya turns up, he has a new female whom he insists that his shishya has to marry! Chandra's horrified expression was pure delight.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">But of course the cherry on the cake was the resurrected Nand. I think the one whom Chandra killed was a doppelganger, a double,which was why he could not fight with Chandra, either on the battlefield or in the hut, which was something that, as I have noted in this post, puzzled me a lot. The substitution must have taken place before the fighting began on the third day. The first day, Padmanand was the original, so he is ready to fight, and able too.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">But how does this tie in with Sunanda's talk of a major secret that she is keeping from (the original) Padmanand? I can't guess.</font>

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Akka - I totally agree with you. The part on moving - Will come in a bit.

Couple more to add .

With her bare shoulders and a disorganized make up she looked really bad. Her shoulders and hands appeared too heavy may be due to close ups.

It is possible that she does not want to live any longer after such a mammoth tragedy. They could have shown that she is attempting to kill herself through some means instead of this begging.

You are more than Spot On about her wailing. She has been shown as a no-brain no-tameez and no-grace princess so far. If she has to pick up all these in due course, quite a job. Her crying is rank bad and infact irritating.

Even the girl chaaya who grew in poverty displayed tact, patience and grit when she was forced to come to Magadh Palace but the lead character has been spoilt greatly with that chirpy, jumping jack , loud wail behavior.

Now having said all that, as she was closely guarded and brought up in a very secure environment with everyone doting on her, she has broken down so easily. Also TRPs need to be pulled back quickly and these are the scenes that can guarantee it. Once she gets a way in through a marriage proposal, she may start collecting herself and start a plot to eliminate CGM which I hope to get to see .


I also want to see a brainy , gritty and and graceful queen emerging. Infact I went back to JA initial episodes and caught up with a couple where Jalal used to torment Jodha after the child loss etc. I suddenly liked PS a lot - Never thought this will happen. 😆 But Swetha has been a huge disappointment so far - There is nothing queenly about her in any sense now.

Coming to CGM, I am confused as to where the CVs are going to take this to. Will not be surprised that he may apologize to Nandini later once he has fallen for her that he did a mistake in killing her clan. 😕 TRPs will dictate how the storyline will evolve from now on.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#43
Well, my dear Shailaja, I was not going to tackle this thread just now, but this is just to keep you quiet till the evening.😉

If you take the blame the CVs route, soon there will be nothing left to analyse.

I usually enjoy your comic sallies, but I did not like the latter part of this post, I am afraid. I am very old fashioned, and I find this too warm for my tastes. Do keep this in mind for the future, would you, my dear!

As for this one, don't fret, I am sure it will go down well with the rest here.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Is Padmanand still alive? How is it possible? Did Chandra kill a look alike? According to history, Nand had nine or ten lookalikes in place working under him. A number of assassination attempts on Nand's life took place even before Chandra and Chanakya came upon the scene. He succeeds in surviving all those due to this reason. At least the incomplete CGM on NDTV Imagine spouted this theory.

Okay I will do prayaschit and atone for not coming first on Aunty's thread and fooling away elsewhere on the forum when I had very little time on my hands. Aunty I really find nothing to reason about either the Dharma Yudh kind strappings, the breaches in war code of conduct, or Nandini's irresponsible and irritating behavior. They are so because the CVs want them or deem them to be so. No reasoning or logic is going to explain anything. It has been decided so for us arbitrarily by the CVs. Regarding the Durdhara and Chandra scene, your explanation and Prem's seems sufficient to explain the situation.

So now to the most important thing on my agenda, my fun piece on the immaculate conception of the Lady Durdhara. Nothing serious so I wouldn't want anybody to take any offense.

Chanakya: Now I think it is better that you take forward your lineage with Rani Durdhara!

Chandra: I do not understand, Acharya!

Chanakya: Now you want me to explain that too like I do war strategy! It is highly impossible! You will have to manage on your own.

Chandra: Acharya, I mean how will Durdhara immaculately conceive without my touching her. You do know my aversion to certain things and feelings.

Chanakya: I get it! I am referring you to IVF (Invective Volleying Fusilade) Specialist Dr. Nandini Nand. She will find a way out of this impasse.

Chandra: Ji Guruji! I will seek her opinion on the same!

Chandra goes and meets Nandini and explains his problem. She babbles off, "Tum main purusharth nahin hai...blah! Blah! Blah!"

Chandra rushes off to Durdhara and she miraculously conceives under the expert advice of Dr. Nandini Nand. Bindusaar is born!

Now Helena requests her Guru Dakshina for teaching Greek war tactics and helping Chandra escape from the Greeks by making her pregnant as well. Chandra rushes off again to Nandini and she starts babbling off again, "Tum main purusharth nahin hai...and blah...blah...blah!

Miracle! Oh! Miracle!

Helena too conceives immaculately under IVF specialist Dr. Nandini Nand's expert advice!


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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is what happens with many good people, Khushi my pet. They melt too easily. Just look at you now? If Draupadi had been like you, there would have been no Mahabharata! 😲

The women in Nand's palace, beginning with Avantika, who had a half share in all his crimes, do not deserve any pity. They are all parasites on the body public of Magadha, wallowing in luxury without a thought to what went on outside. Yes, many of them were, like Tun Tun bhabhi, not actively complicit in the crimes that sustained their lifestyle, but why should I feel sorry for them now that they have been brought down to terra firma?

Just think of Mura and all she went thru. Do you feel even a fraction of this ready and entirely unwarranted sympathy for her? No, you make fun of her as Trijata. Why? Because Avantika is better looking?

I have not forgotten that she is as evil as Nand, and that it was she, thru her illicit affair with a murderous barber, who set off this whole train of horrendous tragedy.

And what has happened to Avantika & Co anyway? Has she been whipped in the public square. which is what true revenge would have called for? Even Nandini is in chains not because of Chandra but because of Helena, who is my kind of woman, and not a marshmallow in the making.

And Mura. I loved that silent, sideways look she cast at Avantika as she passed her by. Avantika was the one who had come to her prison to taunt her about her baby son having been killed by Nand, along with the other 38 newborn babies of that day. There was, in Mura's glance last night, her unspoken, but unmistakable triumph over the wicked woman who had gloated against her that day and probably on many such days.

That is a real queen, who does not forget, nor does she forgive. Not like you,feeling sorry for evil just because Nemesis has now finally caught up with it.😡

Mura did not show that spine for 20 long years only because she believed that her son is alive. She did that because she is made that way. Nandini whines and howls because she is made that way. She is all show on the outside and nothing inside.

As for your pop psychological theory, was it not Nandini who insisted that a woman is as good as, or better than a man? Then why are you falling back on the patriarchal society prop? You have to do better than this, my sweet! If she is really as tough as she claims to be, it is when the going gets tough, if you will excuse the cliche, that she has to get going.

Not dissolve into a wailing puddle at her worst enemy's feet. It was disgusting. If she had been my daughter, I would have disowned her on the spot.

You are always the one who distracts me from my resolutions, you imp! I was about to go away, when I was so exasperated by your ready karuna for Avantika et al that I was pushed into doing this one.

I do not, wisely as it always turns out, read any other threads in this forum, but I understand that there are many who feel that Nand & Co should not have been executed so "brutally". I suppose they wanted Chandra to go to the Supreme Court and try to prove Nand's crimes before doing anything about him or the rest. Of course all that Chandra and his parents have suffered does not count, because that is their job, to suffer.

I do not care what such folk feel and write. They are nothing to me. But you are my girl, and I expected you to have more discrimination as to where you dispense the quality of mercy that is burgeoning in your hriday!

Now I am really going away. But be more careful the next time you make such facile statements, or else don't complain later when Chandra weeps all over the palace for the sufferings of the Nand clan. He is already getting set to start down that road.

My heart sank into my shoes when I saw him crying over the woman whom he had claimed to hate beyond all limits just the day before. Soon, he will be forgiving the resurrected Nand as well, and offering him kheer. Nand, being Nand, will take that with one hand and stab Chandra with the other.

Give me Mura any day!

Shyamala Aunty


QUOTE=---Khushi---]1) Aunty, I think Chanakya has some trick up his sleeve (read Shikha)...I think naapit's dirty secret which Sunanda is aware if, is to be revealed...hence Nand is still alive...it's definitely NOT a case of a look alike...
2)Aunty, Mura's steely determination was because of the fact that her son was alive...n so she had "HOPE" ...however miniscule that hope was, yet, it was there...
For Nandini, with her entire male kin wiped out, in a strong patriarchal society, she has lost all hope & is at the mercy of Chandra...it's good that she has realised that & has stopped her empty threats in her hoarse n jarring voice & her teeth grinding & her eyes popping 😆...yes, she was a sorry figure yesterday when she was begging Chandra to kill her...n yes, I could not help but feel sorry for her..the way I felt for all the ladies of the Nand clan...
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Posted: 8 years ago
#45
I will wait for your comment. But your like really means a lot to me. I saw the one before mine and after mine had your likes but not just mine. So I supposed there was something wrong with the post or you did not like it. Nieces have the privilege of expecting attention from their Aunty I hope!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Which post, child? I have not yet started responding to any posts here, bar the one from jayaks02, and that was because I wanted to do a summary take on last night's episode, and then I wrote to Anjali about her theory that Padmanand is still alive. I am still clearing my backlog for the last thread, one by fanrajat is still left, and a few from the 2 threads before that. I am going to start on this one only today late evening, as my hand needs rest and a massage before I start a series of responses. I was up till late last night, on top of doing the post itself, and it was too much.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">This is why I appreciate my dearest Lashykanna. She never hustles me for responses, and thinks of my poor fingers first.</font>
<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And you did not write anything on my last thread, you little fraud, so don't you dare cook that up as well!😉</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">So be a good little girl and wait for a bit. Following the age old maxim that the squeaky wheel gets the most grease, I will begin with your comments. Khush!</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Your waterworks are more abundant that even Nandini's! It is a good thing I cannot hear whatever vocal accompaniments you have conjured up!😉</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And what is this about copying and pasting posts? I would not know anyway, as I do not read any threads unless I am asked to do so.</font>

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Originally posted by: karkuzhali


<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Shyamala,</font>

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I think Sunanda is Nand's duplicate's wife, and the "Nand" we saw during her entry into the palace is the substitute. Sunanda already knows about it. Look at the way she talks to that "Nand"..The exchange would have happened before Nandini-Malaykethu's engagement in the palace. If it were the original Nand, i.e., Nandini's real father, he would have stopped her wedding with the person at any cost, whom she didn't want to marry. And, when he goes to kill MK after he comes to know about the latter's misbehaviour with his daughter, he suddenly makes a U turn after he gets the news of Chandragupta's attack on Magadh. I don't think, the original one would do like that.</font>

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Saraswathi Akka.</font>





highly possible ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
#47
So little self confidence? Not like my Shailaja! That was just a slip up, kid, late at night when I was already very tired, and I would have expected you to grasp that, and insist that I go back and hit the Like button. Not weep all over the page and drum your heels in a tantrum!😆

When I don't like something of yours, I will tell you so, as I have done about the IVF joke. I do not do things obliquely.

OK, my dear, I really have to stop now, for my hand is hurting badly. What I am doing to it is pure irresponsibility. You are not bothered about it, it seems, but I have to be, for I have to live with it.

Be good till I am back.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

I will wait for your comment. But your like really means a lot to me. I saw the one before mine and after mine had your likes but not just mine. So I supposed there was something wrong with the post or you did not like it. Nieces have the privilege of expecting attention from their Aunty I hope!

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam


HI AUNTY. THANKS FOR THE LOVELY POST AND THE PM

Folks,

After the high octane goings on last week, what followed was, perhaps unavoidably, somewhat anticlimactic. For one thing, it set my teeth on edge when the samhaar turned suddenly into a damp squib. 😡

WELL THE SAMHAAR COULD NOT GO ON FOREVER, HOWEVER MIGHTY THE WARRING PARTIES ARE, CAN IT??? 😆

This apart, the way in which Padmanand was trying to compete with the cat and its nine lives became, after a point, acutely exasperating. So much so that I was strongly tempted to jump into the frame, shove Chanakya aside, grab Chandra's sword, and do the job myself!

Anyhow, as we cannot be too finicky and insist on nonstop excellence, let us take up this triptych, not ad seriatim, but as a series of issues. But before I begin, a disclaimer. Please do not be disappointed after comparing this post with my last one. For it is an immutable law of physics that a reflection cannot be brighter than the original object. Similarly, despite the very flattering assertions by many of you, my posts cannot be better than the material I have to work on.

Enuff said. Let us begin.

End game with hiccups: I finally understood the reason for the Mahabharata style trappings of a dharmayuddh, complete with a bugle to signal the end of the day's fighting. It was explicity designed so that:

-Padmanand can survive the first day's fighting,

-Nandini can chase after Chandra, throw a sword at his back in a most adharmic manner, and indulge in a bout of insane ranting directed at him. A tirade, demented even by her standards, about his alleged lack of purushatva because he would not (a) fight after the sunset bugle being blown and (b) will not fight a woman.*

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL EXPLANATIONS ABOUT NANDINI'S RANTS, BUT I SAY THIS - THAT SHE PLAINLY LET OUT HER FRUSTRATIONS, HAVING UNDERSTOOD THAT HER OTHERWISE UNDEFEATABLE PITA MAHARAJ HAS LOST, AND THAT TOO TO A SEEMING NOBODY WHO WAS HIMSELF DEFEATED TWICE BY PADMANAND HIMSELF. AND I AM SURE HER BROTHERS RUNNING AWAY SO UNCEREMONIOUSLY ALSO ADDED TO HER ANGST. I FEEL HER WHOLE LACK OF PURUSHATVA RANT WAS JUST A LAMENT ON THE ENTIRE DEBACLE THAT UNFOLDED BEFORE HER, AIMED MORE AT HER TEAM THAN AT CHANDRA

Which tirade has consequences on Chandra's psyche that gladdened the hearts of many amateur psychologists here😉. And finally so that

-on the next day, Malayaketu can do a Nandini (what a perfectly matched pair they would have made ! I only wish we could tamper with the script and pull that off!😉) and attack Chandra from behind after the close of the hostilities for the day, wounding him seriously.

EVEN THOUGH NANDINI THREW HER SWORD WELL AIMED AT CHANDRA, I FEEL HER INTENTION WAS NOT AS MALICIOUS AS MALAY'S. AND 😉 I AM STILL OF THE VIEW THAT NANDINI WOULD NOT BE WELL PAIRED WITH MALAY

CHANDRA NANDINI IS STILL TOLERABLE, BUT MALAY NANDINI 😡

IOn the third day, the bugler was dispensed with, as all of Padmanand's army - his ashta putra ( the ninth appears to be mentally challenged and must have been left behind in the palace), his war minister Vakranaas and his senapati Bhadrashaal, and the remaining foot soldiers (some 20 odd, as the battle budget had been drastically pruned by now!😉) - after having cast a timorous look at Chandra's bloodthirsty face, voted with their feet. And Padmanand himself, after having carefully avoided confronting Chandra or even lifting his sword, made off post haste to his secret hideout.

*NB: I am afraid I cannot agree with the argument that Nandini's tirade is an attempt to destabilize Chandra psychologically.She is not trying anything so fancy, just being specially nasty, as she was when she landed up on Mura, only far more so this time.

For it is not like the psy war Padmanand tries out in the beginning, which made perfect sense and was quite effective to begin with till Chandra recovered his poise. Here, the insults are so nonsensical that any other man would have laughed at them and at her.

Chandra is somehow very thin-skinned where she is concerned, that is all. If he had not been so, he would have yelled after her that it was only the sun that saved her father today, but he would not let that happen tomorrow!

YES. I ALSO FELT THAT CHANDRA SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO NANDINI CITING HER MISSING BROTHERS AND HER DEFEATED FATHER. BUT IF HE WAS THICK SKINNED, WHY WOULD HE LET HER RANTS AFFECT HIM SO? WE ARE GIVEN A CLEAR INDICATION DURING HIS SCENE WITH DURADHARA THAT NANDINI AND HER RANTS MADE INROADS INTO HIS PSYCHE

Revenge stymied: This sub-title is of course for Helena.

If she had asked me, I would have told her there was no way Malayaketu was going to die, at her hands or Chandra's, so soon, seeing that the inevitable death of Padmanand would leave a yawning gap in the ranks of the evildoers, and so the script could never allow such a solid presence in those ranks as Malayaketu's to be also wiped out.😉

I LIKED THE WAY HELENA ASKED CHANDRA TO COMPLETE THE TASK OF FINISHING MALAY ON HER BEHALF, ON HIS WIFE'S BEHALF. ITS CLEAR THAT SHE WANTS TO LET MALAY KNOW THAT HIS INSULTS AND REJECTION OF HER ARE NOT FORGOTTEN, AND ALSO THAT SHE WANTS MALAY TO UNDERSTAND HER POSITION OF SUPERIORITY

In the event, he escapes, after Helena is fooled by the oldest trick in the world, a handful of earth flung in her face. What a pity they did not have spectacles in the 4th century BC! But even if they had been around, and Helena had been myopic, she would still have avoided wearing them on grounds of personal vanity. 😆

ALL THROUGH THE WAY, I DIDNT THINK HELENA DISPLAYED ANY SPECIAL PROWESS. IT WAS A TAD DISAPPOINTING CONSIDERING SHE WAS CHANDRAS TEACHER IN THE FAMED YAWAN YUDHHA SHAILY . 😆 AND OF COURSE, HER COSTUME LEFT MUCH TO BE DESIRED.

She presumably does not have a dagger tucked away in the fancy costume of hers (see how useful a solid back to that battle dress would have been? She could have had a special pouch for the dagger behind her neck!) , otherwise she could have done a Chandra on the fleeing Malayaketu .

By the way, the snippet showing Chandra taking aim at the fleeing Malayketu, and flinging his dagger at his retreating back so hard that it cuts straight thru his protective jerkin, was excellent, with Chandra's face looking exactly like that of a greyhound hot on the trail of its target.

It also showed that Chandra is no Yudhishtir, to be constantly hung up unilaterally on dharma, but can pay his enemy back in his own coin and attack him from the back.👏

Revenge achieved: This is for Chandragupta, and it comes in two stages.

Stage 1: the elimination of all the available Nandputras, numbering about 8, as far as I could make out.

It was strange that they all let themselves be captured en masse, and did not, going by their appearance, seem to have put up a fight at all. Nor could I grasp why they all ran away from the battlefield on foot, whereas they all rode at Chandra on horses, and those must have been still around even after they had been unhorsed.

Be that as it may, Chandra disposes of all of them in one fell sweep, cutting their throats in a single curving motion of his sword, like Lord Rama shooting a single arrow thru 7 sal trees. They were all standing there like tailor's dummies, waiting to have their throats cut! It was most peculiar.

What with her beloved bhais abandoning the battle and their father, with the great warrior Dhananand heading the exodus😉, and then Malayaketu peaching on Padmanand's hideyhole to save his own life, it must have been a comprehensive wake up call for Nandini!😉

To revert, before he moves towards the Nandputra, as Padmanand pleads for his santaan to be spared, Chandra smiles a cold smile of savage amusement. As he calls to his enemy: Bas ab dekhte jaa!, his smile widens even further. It was a chilling sight.

YOU HAVE PRAISED RAJAT HIGH FOR THE WAR, AND I TOO AGREE THAT THE WAR ENTIRELY BELONGED TO HIM. HIS EXPRESSIONS WERE AWESOME

Two clarifications are in order here, to respond to reservations about Chandra's actions against Nand's sons and against Nandini.

Justice is mine: One, what Chandra does to Nand's sons is an execution. It is not a killing of a foe in the battlefield. Yes, not all of them were directly involved in Nand's atrocities, but for Chandra they are all tarred with the same brush. And he is not wrong in feeling so, for they are all complicit in their father's crimes. They fully approve, for example, of his cutting the throat of an old man who is unable to pay the special tax Nand levies on the populace.

WEL, FOR THE WAR TO BE FULLY AND FINALLY COMPLETE, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT CHANDRA WIPES OUT THE ENTIRE RACE. I THHINK THAT WAS THE COMMON PRACTICE MORE OR LESS, TO ENTER THE PALACE OR FORT AND SNUFF OUT ANY SUPPORTERS. HENCE FOR CHANDRA TO LEAVE NAND OR HIS SONS ALIVE WOULD BE FOOLISH. AND WHEN MALAY HANDS HIM THE DIRECTIONS ON A PLATTER, WHY WOULD CHANDRA HESITATE

Chandra is thus the executioner, and his acharya is the judge who pronounces sentence. It is another matter that Chandra has a personal motive for his vengeance that is overpowering.

Contrary to some criticism seen here, I do not see any indication in the script that the cowardice of Nand's sons was attributed to their low social origin on their father's side. Why, if this was so, Padmanand. who was nothing but a barber himself, while his sons were at least half of royal blood, should have been shown as the biggest poltroon of the lot,but he is recognised as a great warrior! The sons are always shown as weak, bar Dhananand, and Nand keeps insisting that Nandini is worth more than all of them put together. They have no guts and Nandini has plenty, which seems to me to be a plug for nari shakti, and nothing else! 😉

NAND'S SONS - THE LESSER SAID ABOUT THEM, THE BETTER . 😆 I THINK IT SUFFICES TO SAY THAT CVS PORTRAYAL OF THEM HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. THEY WERE NEVER EVER SHOWN BRAVE, AND SO BIG DEAL THAT THEY ALL RAN AWAY. AGREE THAT LOW BIRTH HAS NO PLAY

To revert, Chandra would have killed the sons on the battlefield if they had not all run away. But they do run away, and so he kills them here. Surely one does not expect him to set them all loose and run after them, like a chicken herder!😉

As Nandini rushes to lament over the dead bodies of her brothers, Chandra's smile is frightening in the pure pleasure it radiates. He is a living illustration of what he tells Durdhara that morning: Jab ghrina seema laang jaati hai, to manushya ko andar hi andar jalaati hai, and it is clear that he is still on fire inside.

Two, what Chandra does to Nandini when he removes her dupatta is the direct pratiuttar to what she screams at him the day before, that he he was a coward and lacked purushatva, and this after he had downed all her brothers and was within an instant of killing her father after besting him in single combat!

He could have dealt with her easily now, for his first move is a shove that sends her reeling backwards. So what he does is in retaliation for that insult of hers, by showing her that she is a woman, and has all the weak points of a woman after all. If she had been a pure warrior, why should losing the dupatta have bothered her at all? She should have continued fighting.

She asked for what she got, and though I am a feminist to the core, I also believe that a woman who behaves in the ugly manner that Nandini did at the end of the battle deserves what happened to her.

And what was it anyway? She was not disrobed like Draupadi, was she? Whereas what she said to him the evening before was the ultimate insult for a man, and that festers in his mind like poison. As you sow, so do you reap.

Another odd point. As Mishti (mishtidoi) has pointed out, one fails to understand why Nandini discarded her samurai style battle jerkin for her regulation chakmak when she arrives at Nand's hideout. She is listening when Malayaketu betrays its location to Chandra and Helena, and she should have immediately guessed that Chandra would track her father down there. Surely then retaining the protective jerkin would have made more sense?

AGREE. I FEEL THE WHOLE DUPATTA DRAMA WAS QUITE OTT. WHEN SHE DIDNT THINK BEFORE ALL HER BELOW TE BELT RANTING THE PREVIOUS DAY, WHY IS SHE SUDDENLY FEELING THAT HER MODESTY IS ATTACKED

Stage 2: This comes after Chanakya stymies Chandra's second attempt to dispose of Padmanand, and instead sets him free to depart with his daughter dearest in tow. I could fully share Chandra's angry exasperation at this latest quirk of his mentor, and I gritted my teeth. He must have done the same, but Rajat has an excellent set of pearly whites, and I suppose they could stand the damage!😉

I could not understand why Padmanand, who must surely have had his sword with him when he fled from the battlefield, does not put up even a token fight against Chandra when he sees him at the door of the hut. Instead, he looks at him as though paralysed, and lets himself be dragged out and flung to the ground like a sack of potatoes. And once there, he keeps staring up at Chandra's vengeful face with scared eyes.

The only possible explanation for his bizarre behaviour is that he has completely lost his nerve. Probably Nemesis, the vengeful goddess, on his trail for long, had got to him at long last!

NB: The real explanation for the above was revealed in tonight's precap. I think the one whom Chandra killed was a doppelganger, a double,which was why he could not fight with Chandra, either on the battlefield or in the hut, which was something that, as noted above, puzzled me a lot. The substitution must have taken place before the fighting began on the third day. The first day, Padmanand was the original, so he is ready to fight, and able too.

But how does this tie in with Sunanda's talk of a major secret that she was keeping from (the original) Padmanand? I can't guess.


THATS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT, AND NOVEL TOO _________________________________________________________________________________

To revert, it turned out that old man Chanakya knew what he was doing after all, and our two Cs got at Padmanand and his ill-gotten loot as well. And it was poetic justice that Padmanand was killed not by beheading, but by being slashed by Chandra's sword the same number of times as he had whipped Chandra at the swayamvar.

I THINK NAND GOING TO THE CAVE AT THAT PRECISE JUNCTURE IS FOOLISH. WAS HE SO NAIVE SO AS TO THINK THATHE WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED.

Nandini needs a crash course in doing pralaap. Her vocal laments sounded horrible, with a pitamaharaj or two thrown into each wail. Chandra watches her with silent satisfaction.

Icy fulfillment: Often, especially in the battle scenes, I have noted Rajat's flair for projecting extreme rage and hate without going over the top. Here too, the prize in this category should go to the delighted smile with which he greets Chanakya's pronouncement that Ab is khuli shikha ko baand loonga.

But the still, icy gleam in Chanakya's eyes, as he looks down at the drops of Padmanand's blood that spatter his shikha, tops even Chandra's savage hilarity. As does the eagerness with which he eggs Chandra to get on with the business of Nand ke vansh ka vinash by killing all his sons. He is truly a terrible old man, is Chanakya.

Urgency for the uttaradhikari: I would go with Ashwinee's superb and psychologically plausible explanation for the whole thing, which goes as follows:

Chanakya was not suddenly worried about Chandra's uttaradhikari but he sent Chandra to Durdhara to undo any residual effects that Nandini's comments might have left on Chandra's psyche. I would bet on this guru knowing his shishya that well and also on his cunning in trying to keep Chandra's thoughts from revisiting Nandini's speech by keeping him otherwise engaged.Cynical but not impossible since it also has the added advantage of nudging Chandra in a direction which he otherwise would not take given his 'bal bramhachari' niyat. As you said, pure politics - of a very layered kind!

I must confess that this particular layer did not occur to me at all, but she is absolutely right. The old man knows how Nandini's taunts would affect his boy, whence this attempt at diverting his mind. And since everyone in the cast has the eyes of an eagle and the hearing of a lynx, Chanakya would have heard all that Nandini spat out right from his hilltop position! 😉

I DO AGREE WITH ASHWINEE, AUNTY, BUT I FEEL IT COULD ALSO BE THAT CHANAKYA ACTUALLY FELT THE NEED FOR A SUCCESSOR, BECAUSE RIGHT IN THE NEXT EPISODE CHANDRA IS ALMOST FATALLY WOUNDED. BEING THE ASTUTE POLITICIAN THAT HE IS,HE COULD HAVE THOUGHT IT PRUDENT TO ENSURE A SUCCESSOR. HIS KHULI SHIKHA . 😆 COULD WELLHAVE BEEN THE PROMPT FOR THE SAME, THINKING IF NOT CHANDRA 1 MAY BE CHANDRA 2 . 😆

Slavish obedience? : Chandra has been criticized for accepting his guru's fiat in the matter of the uttaradhikari and Durdhara without much protest, and branded a puppet of his mentor's. To these criticisms , I would say just this.

Chanakya is Chandra's Acharya. He is the man who has made him what he is, and but for him, what would Chandra have been? A skinny, undernourished brat, beaten black and blue daily by his drunkard of a foster father, while his foster mother bleated in the background about her abiding prem for her husband. For that inestimable favour that Chanakya did him, Chandra owes him at least total obedience.

In any case, Chanakya has bought him from his foster father, and he makes it clear right at the beginning that he expects implicit obedience from Chandra in all things. It is another matter that over the years, he comes to love Chandra like a son,but that alters nothing in the context of the obedience he demands of his shishya.

If Chanakya had been Chandra's father, and Chandra had obeyed him in the same way, would the criticism be the same? I don't think so. But Chanakya is the only father figure Chandra has ever known, and even in Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat, Bindusara tells his eldest son Sushim that his father, the great Chandragupta Maurya, would not take a single step without his guru's explicit approval. Was that found strange? No. Is it seen as strange that Lord Rama obeyed his father, who was clearly in the wrong, so implicitly? No.

The fact is that such critics are importing contemporary sensibilities into a 4th century BC story. No one can expect anything different from a shishya in that age. In the 1990 Chanakya too, Chandragupta was shown as a completely obedient shishya, for that is the historical truth. I do not see why the script should stand this paddhati on its head to please those with 21st century ideas.

FULY AGREE

Superb renditions: For me, the most striking aspect of the whole uttaradhikari sequence is that Rajat's performance during the whole, from the time he approaches Durdhara to the morning after, is quite simply outstanding, even by his standards.

It was a very difficult set of scenes to tackle: the awkwardness, the reluctance amounting to distaste for having any such physical intimacy with his best friend - whether he is right or wrong here is not the point, the point is that he does so feel - the thinking back to Nandini's mad, hateful tirade, the shamefaced reaction the next morning.

Every single bit of it was near perfect. I cannot think of many actors, even those in films,who could have pulled that off.

YES RAJAT WAS GREAT IN THIS SCENE, NO DOUBT

Saanvi's Durdhara complemented Chandra to perfection. She was gently, calmly supportive of Chandra all thru, understanding his reluctance and his hesitation with clear-eyed wisdom, and helping him over the emotional roadblock that seems to stymie him at first. For apart from his idea of the maryada towards a very dear friend, there is also a deep seated aversion in him towards any act of physical intimacy with a woman, which has to do with his bal brahmachari bent of mind, which is still deeply ingrained in him.

BUT I DID NOT FEEL DURADHARA MATCHED HIS LEVEL OF PROWESS. SHE IS CHILDLIKE AND INNOCENT, NO DOUBT, BUT I FEEL SHE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER AND MORE SUBTLE JOB. SHE WAS GOOD, BUT NOT THAT GOOD

It is the same the next morning, when she sees that Chandra is on a fresh guilt trip, blaming himself for having, as he sees it,forced her to a level of intimacy that he somehow sees as violative of their deep friendship. I am sure she does not share these views of his, but she does not argue the point with him. Instead, she frames it all in the context of their having done their duty as a potentiual king and queen, proposes that they should just forget it, and stresses that he should focus on the war ahead.

Chandra is truly very lucky to have Durdhara as his helpmeet - a caring, non-judgemental wife and a dear, loyal friend in one. For she loves him , though she does not show it. As for him, I think he himself does not understand what it is that he feels for her. Be that as it may, when she dies, it will be a terrible, emotionally crippling blow for poor Chandra.

I AGREE. DURADHARA ACCEPTS HIM AND LOVES HIM UNCONDITIONALLY AND RAJAT RECIPROCATES BY BEING FULLY HIMSELF WHEN WITH HER. THEIR BOND IS A PLEASURE TO SEE. HE CARES FOR HER LIKE NO OTHER, AND CERTAINLY WITH HER PASSING AWAY HE WILL FEEL A VOID. OF COURSE, EKTA WILL ENSURE APNI NANDINI WILL BE THERE TO FILL IT . 😆

BUT SERIOUSLY, HOW NANDINI WILL EVER BE ABLE TO LOVE CHANDRA AFTER ALL THIS, IS A MYSTERY TO ME. IM SURE CVS HAVE SEVERAL TRICKS UP THEIR SLEEVE, AND ALSO THAT THIS HATE TO LOVE SAGA WILL CERTAINLY TAKE QUITE A FEW EPISODES

Emotional high: I do not have anything much to say about the milan between Mura and Chandragupta. It was something to be viewed, not to be analysed.

Chandra was superb in his overflowing love and grief, and the tremendous sense of relief at having fulfilled his duty to his parents. It was all there in the hoarse cadences of his voice as he asserts, again and again: Main aa gaya, maa! Maine pratishodh le liya hai! Apne pita ki hatya aur aapke apamaan ka pratishodh le liya hai!

YES AUNTY, I TOO ENJOYED THE SCENE. I DONT THINK OF MOORA AS TOO MUCH AS A GOOD PERFORMER, FAR FROM IT, ACTUALLY, BUT WATCHING RAJAT IS A DELIGHT

I loved it when he took in his foster mother too into the all embracing circle of his love and sense of belonging. But I did not like it when he forgave his now snivelling, grovelling foster father so easily. What happened to the count that the young Chandra was keeping of the number of blows he had taken from this man? He should have been kept at a certain distance, and not embraced with such easy warmth. I am almost sure that this character will be a source of trouble for Chandra in the future.

All this said and done, I think this grand, high octane reunion of the long suffering mother and her long lost son should have appealed greatly to the TRP audience. And about time!

. . 😆😆

Now we can look forward to further TRPs boosters in the shape of the Chandra-Nandini hostilities and the problems that Nandini will face from the women in Chandra's household.

Pot pourri:

-Malayaketu should avoid these topless displays. He looks like a WWF contestant.

UURRGGHH YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT

-Chanakya's vrushchika vyuha in movement was great fun, especially since it was shown in an overhead shot. Though it was difficult to understand how it actually worked.

VFX, AND FUNNY TOO, HOW SUDDENLY SPIDER AND SCORPION CAME ABOUT. TRUE THAT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ACHIEVED IS ANYONES GUESS

- Nandini's mind-boggling VFX jump from the ground to the back of her horse would have given even an agile frog an inferiority complex.😆

. 😆 IT WAS HILARIOUS, IN THE MIDST OF SOME HIGH OCTANE DRAMA

-Avantika shows Sunanda what queenliness means when she moves resolutely to open the door to the soldiers before it is broken down.

-For all his ominous comment To Nand ka rakt abhi jeevit hai!, as he shoves Nandini aside and grabs the last of the Nandputra, I do not think Chandra, once he realises that the boy is mentally challenged, will kill him as well.

WELL, OVERALL I FEEL RAJAT AS AN ACTOR SHADOWS ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE. THERE IS HARDLY ANYONE WHO CAN MATCH HIM IN THIS SHOW

Well, folks, bye for now. Please do not forget to hit the Like button if you think that is warranted. See you again over the weekend.

THANKS AUNTY.

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

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Sorry, Aunty! I should have reasoned so. Sorry to tax your fingers so much. I know that they must be hurting a lot. I just tend to forget things when in a flow. I got my like that is enough for me for the present.

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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">So little self confidence? Not like my Shailaja! That was just a slip up, kid, late at night when I was already very tired, and I would have expected you to grasp that, and insist that I go back and hit the Like button. Not weep all over the page and drum your heels in a tantrum!😆</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">When I don't like something of yours, I will tell you so, as I have done about the IVF joke. I do not do things obliquely.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">OK, my dear, I really have to stop now, for my hand is hurting badly. What I am doing to it is pure irresponsibility. You are not bothered about it, it seems, but I have to be, for I have to live with it.</font>

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This is what happens with many good people, Khushi my pet. They melt too easily. Just look at you now? If Draupadi had been like you, there would have been no Mahabharata! 😲

...m not melting Aunty...empathy & forgiveness are 2 different states of mind...n when I said Nand clan, it goes without saying that Avantika is excluded from this...I m a strong believer of the theory of karma, & there couldn't be a better example than Avantika to prove this...I have always criticised her from the forefront...& In fact, NEVER ever praised her outer beauty😉...in fact, I NEVER find an evil person beautiful...
Feeling empathy for the women of the Nand clan ( excluding Avantika) who are on the verge of committing jauhar, does NOT amount to forgiving the NAND clan...

The women in Nand's palace, beginning with Avantika, who had a half share in all his crimes, do not deserve any pity. They are all parasites on the body public of Magadha, wallowing in luxury without a thought to what went on outside. Yes, many of them were, like Tun Tun bhabhi, not actively complicit in the crimes that sustained their lifestyle, but why should I feel sorry for them now that they have been brought down to terra firma?

Aunty, you are right in thinking this way...each one of us is blessed with our own individual CPU, which processes all the inputs, but each one has a different output (opinion) about the same...that is precisely what makes each one of us an individual.. 😃...n as per this school of thought, then maybe Chandra should actually go ahead n kill that mentally challenged kid from the Nand clan...even he is a parasite wallowing in luxury ...
Just think of Mura and all she went thru. Do you feel even a fraction of this ready and entirely unwarranted sympathy for her? No, you make fun of her as Trijata. Why? Because Avantika is better looking?

Aunty, the Trijata bit was only n only in good humour...meant to raise a laugh...nothing serious about that...I didn't feel empathy for Mura coz the actress was very crass, I thought...so I never took her seriously...REEL MURA - no empathy at all from me...REAL MURA - all my empathy...
I know, you will disagree on this argument of reel n real, but the fact is, however much we try to analyse the REEL as being REAL, the fact remains that somewhere, a bias comes in based on our likes/dislikes for the actors enacting the roles...

I have not forgotten that she is as evil as Nand, and that it was she, thru her illicit affair with a murderous barber, who set off this whole train of horrendous tragedy.

Neither have I, n never will...😃

And what has happened to Avantika & Co anyway? Has she been whipped in the public square. which is what true revenge would have called for? Even Nandini is in chains not because of Chandra but because of Helena, who is my kind of woman, and not a marshmallow in the making.

Helena is gutsy, she has spunk, she is strong...but she is definitely NOT my kind of woman, Aunty😆...her psyche borders on the psychotic, n she is dangerously psychotic..she wanted to kill Malayketu- fine with me
She killed the rabbit n wants to harm Nandini - not fine with me...she is a narcissist, & loves herself...n herself alone...definitely NOT my type of a woman...she is incapable of loving anyone else...

And Mura. I loved that silent, sideways look she cast at Avantika as she passed her by. Avantika was the one who had come to her prison to taunt her about her baby son having been killed by Nand, along with the other 38 newborn babies of that day. There was, in Mura's glance last night, her unspoken, but unmistakable triumph over the wicked woman who had gloated against her that day and probably on many such days.

Yes, I noticed that ...it was Trijata's day, of course 😆😉

That is a real queen, who does not forget, nor does she forgive. Not like you,feeling sorry for evil just because Nemesis has now finally caught up with it.😡

Yes, n y should Mura forget everything & forgive Avantika? ...I m not even for a minute suggesting that...😆

Mura did not show that spine for 20 long years only because she believed that her son is alive. She did that because she is made that way. Nandini whines and howls because she is made that way. She is all show on the outside and nothing inside.

OK...maybe Mura is a stronger person than Nandini...that's again an individual trait...

As for your pop psychological theory, was it not Nandini who insisted that a woman is as good as, or better than a man? Then why are you falling back on the patriarchal society prop? You have to do better than this, my sweet! If she is really as tough as she claims to be, it is when the going gets tough, if you will excuse the cliche, that she has get going. Not dissolve into a wailing puddle at her worst enemy's feet. It was disgusting. If she had been my daughter, I would have disowned her on the spot.

Exactly, Aunty...Nandini has realised that if her father n brothers have fallen like 9 pins to Chandra, then obviously she will as she has NEVER claimed to be better than them in war skills...in fact, her brother Dhan, was known to be the best in Magadha.. maybe she has realised that she has done nothing but throw childish tantrums so far, n maybe, she has suddenly grown up ...n realised what a sorry state she is in...
Aunty, at least she not hurling empty threats at Chandra now 😆

You are always the one who distracts me from my resolutions, you imp! I was about to go away, when I was so exasperated by your ready karuna for Avantika et al that I was pushed into doing this one.

Correction Aunty...Karuna for all sans Avantika...😆😉
...n please Aunty...no rush to reply...in fact no need for a reply at all...I know your poor fingers are under a lot of stress ...


Now I am really going away. But be more careful the next time you make such facile statements, or else don't complain later when Chandra weeps all over the palace for the sufferings of the Nand clan. He is already getting set to start down that road.

I never said Chandra should feel sorry for Nand clan...I as a neutral viewer, can feel sorry...for those who were not directly involved in Nand's criminal acts...

My heart sank into my shoes when I saw him crying over the woman whom he had claimed to hate beyond all limits just the day before. Soon, he will be forgiving the resurrected Nand as well, and offering him kheer. Nand, being Nand, will take that with one hand and stab Chandra with the other.

🤣 ...I hope not!!😆

Give me Mura any day!

She's all yours, Aunty!!...I anyways don't like her...😆😉

Love,
Khushi 😃

Shyamala Aunty


QUOTE=---Khushi---]1) Aunty, I think Chanakya has some trick up his sleeve (read Shikha)...I think naapit's dirty secret which Sunanda is aware if, is to be revealed...hence Nand is still alive...it's definitely NOT a case of a look alike...
2)Aunty, Mura's steely determination was because of the fact that her son was alive...n so she had "HOPE" ...however miniscule that hope was, yet, it was there...
For Nandini, with her entire male kin wiped out, in a strong patriarchal society, she has lost all hope & is at the mercy of Chandra...it's good that she has realised that & has stopped her empty threats in her hoarse n jarring voice & her teeth grinding & her eyes popping 😆...yes, she was a sorry figure yesterday when she was begging Chandra to kill her...n yes, I could not help but feel sorry for her..the way I felt for all the ladies of the Nand clan...

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