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Originally posted by: Sashay01

Really really not true. I'm all for being objective and critiquing all sides equally but we are witnessing a never seen before polarization and crackdown of dissent.

Before this I never even paid attention to who or what my favourite actor's religion or political beliefs were. It really didnt matter. And now that's all we talk about. On this forum, just this week alone I saw people calling srk and the Khans terrorists. And this is not a lone opinion- it has been carefully nurtured by the attack dogs of the power centre - the IT cell.

Not denying that all govts have played their part in the past but this is a crucial and very dangerous moment we are witnessing right now. Maybe other countries have it worse but why should it stop us from calling out things in our own country and reforming things?

I am not a defender of any idealogy but people were bigoted even before.. Why else do you think dilip kumar, madhubala, ajeet, Jagdeep and a lots of others went by hindu onscreen names? Islamic names aren't difficult to remember for an average Hindu person in India at least...so this does prove that there was religious touchiness even before..

BJP's rise is a symptom of a disease that was already there.. The bacteria was already in the body doing its work...

The mass media and social media revolution showed us what radical people of every religion think..

Crackdown on dissent, politically motivated murders happened even before.. A lot of leaders were eliminated in the past too... There was dissent then also, but silencing them was easier.. Maintaining a trail of evidence to prove injustice was tougher back then because of lack of accessible digital devices..

Yes, we as a citizens have a greater power to call out injustice and we should do it... The situation isn't rosy now.. But it wasn't rosy even before. The economy needs to pick up pace.. Unemployment has worsened.. But communalism is as bad as it was before.. There was never a harmonious period in the recent history but hopefully there will be in near future

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

2014 merely reinforced what we are. There were ample incidents of rabid communalism even before it. What were the violence during partition examples of ? There were so many massacres in the whole of India and not just in the areas being partitioned.. the terrorism in Punjab?..the anti sikh riots... massacres in the north east ? A lot of things happened in India even before Modi..even before British rule maybe... while foreign invasions were bad..even the interiors of India weren't idyllic..marauding armies looted, killed and desecrated places of worship...

Sufi and bhakti saints did make people pious but that didn't stop dacoity, thuggery (thugs were very very violent) ..caste based violence was very much rife..profiteering and black marketing when people are starving was definitely a part of our glorious culture even before the British entered..

Now what about the world? ISIS, al Qaeda, boko haram are violent religious groups...they have killed several of the people who at least on the surface seemed their own... killing based on religion is wrong but non-religious extremist groups haven't fared any better

Ltte was formed on ethnic lines..both Hindus and Christians were part of the top rung..they were ruthless (and so were the Sinhala far right groups)

Some of the civil wars in Africa were also due to ethnic divide

Pol pot was a communist ...his regime caused 1.5 million Cambodians to die..his killing fields were notorious for the deaths they caused

Shining path of Peru was also communist..it was brutal too

Leftist regimes in south and central America were very brutal

Mao's famine was also disastrous

Left wing extremism in India is also very brutal

The world wars, which happened due to a multitude of reasons including religious factors, does show how brutal people are...

There were crusades, religious persecution..burning people at stake in Europe too..

The drug cartels of Latin america have killed so many law abiding citizens...along with members of rival gangs

Hatred among people is nothing new...The new regime in India just made people on extreme ends of the divide vocal...the number of decent folks is the same as before..

We the humans are a very kameena species..definitely not as civilized as we think..if so we wouldn't see people coming to loot victims of accidents..a lot of people loot victims and don't even bother calling an ambulance...a lot of people do selfless service during natural calamities, but even there for every selfless person, there is an equivalent jerk...

These examples are not meant to tell that we should resign to the situation and do nothing...a part of this rant is also because some elders blame mobile and internet for everything...

We are a violent specie and the peaceful and logical sections among us must gain the upper hand..I feel that neither right wing or left wing is the panacea- centrist is the way to go

P.S- this isn't directed at any member..it is more of my cynicism about the human race in general which keeps finding new excuses to kill one another

I am not a defender of any idealogy but people were bigoted even before.. Why else do you think dilip kumar, madhubala, ajeet, Jagdeep and a lots of others went by hindu onscreen names? Islamic names aren't difficult to remember for an average Hindu person in India at least...so this does prove that there was religious touchiness even before..

BJP's rise is a symptom of a disease that was already there.. The bacteria was already in the body doing its work...

The mass media and social media revolution showed us what radical people of every religion think..

Crackdown on dissent, politically motivated murders happened even before.. A lot of leaders were eliminated in the past too... There was dissent then also, but silencing them was easier.. Maintaining a trail of evidence to prove injustice was tougher back then because of lack of accessible digital devices..

Yes, we as a citizens have a greater power to call out injustice and we should do it... The situation isn't rosy now.. But it wasn't rosy even before. The economy needs to pick up pace.. Unemployment has worsened.. But communalism is as bad as it was before.. There was never a harmonious period in the recent history but hopefully there will be in near future

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I agree with you completely but I dont believe in absolving the current regime by saying this regime has done better or a lot of good, as the previous poster was saying.

No they havent. But in saying this I'm not absolving the previous govts through the 70s 80s and 90s either. Both can be true.

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

basically humans suck

They do.. Everything is hidden under the mask of civilization.. Yes, there are a few incurable shareef and humanitarians.. But some pseudo decent in the public sphere aren't good to their families.. It is just that they didn't get an opportunity to create nuisance in public..

While Internet generation is blamed for deteriorating family structure, there were a lot of people abandoning their wives and kids even in my grandparents generation.. While kids were seen as budhape ki laathi, meant to carry the lineage forward - those very kids become a liability when their mother dies young.. Some are parcelled off to live with their grandparents and are abandoned for all practical purpose..

Drunk men beating wives and kids were there in generations before us

I am not just blaming men here, there were bad mothers too.. My friend's mother was abandoned by her grandmother who ran off with a lover after becoming a widow.. The little girl faced hell while growing up..

A schoolmate and her brother were left in dire straits when their mom killed their dad and ran off with valuables.. With full support of a lover..

Spousal abuse had greater social sanction before

All these happened before internet became a rage..

Kameene log were in every generation

No one is better... I don't like any leader.. Stopped voting long ago..i just tell everyone I have voted but they look at my uninked finger and lecture me anyway.. I am clueless as to whom to vote for.. Maybe I overanalyse . I might sound as a cynic to you but even if we get a wonderful leader from outer space, the rank and file will be from the existing leaders who will do their age old chalaki...

It is better that we citizens heal ourselves.. How do we do that is another question I have no answer for.. Everything is so complicated

I agree, the world has always been a terrible with lots of bad things happening, but since 2015ish, esp. in India, it's gone overboard. There's no love anymore, only hate, religious, communal, cultural, all kinds of hate. Nowadays people bash others based on their caste, religion & such stuffs which might have existed before as well, but wasn't so widespread & loud.

Bollywood was my only escape, but now it's been taken over by hate as well.

What I'd give to get those days of SRK VS Salman, Deepika VS Katrina, Sri vs Madz, boxoffice wars etc fanwars back & throw the hate mongering of todays away.

The world is deteriorating with every passing day.

Originally posted by: Sashay01

Really really not true. I'm all for being objective and critiquing all sides equally but we are witnessing a never seen before polarization and crackdown of dissent.

Before this I never even paid attention to who or what my favourite actor's religion or political beliefs were. It really didnt matter. And now that's all we talk about. On this forum, just this week alone I saw people calling srk and the Khans terrorists. And this is not a lone opinion- it has been carefully nurtured by the attack dogs of the power centre - the IT cell.

Not denying that all govts have played their part in the past but this is a crucial and very dangerous moment we are witnessing right now. Maybe other countries have it worse but why should it stop us from calling out things in our own country and reforming things?

OK so explain what this government have actually DONE that is so bad?

Using words like terrorist without substantial reasons is terrible but that is being said more due to the intolerance comments than just being a Muslim...

In fact many supporters of various political parties use terrible language for celebrities that support rival parties, whether those celebrities are Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, etc. SRK isn’t the only one who faced that either 🤷🏽‍♀️

Originally posted by: Maaya_Memsaab

I agree, the world has always been a terrible with lots of bad things happening, but since 2015ish, esp. in India, it's gone overboard. There's no love anymore, only hate, religious, communal, cultural, all kinds of hate. Nowadays people bash others based on their caste, religion & such stuffs which might have existed before as well, but wasn't so widespread & loud.

Bollywood was my only escape, but now it's been taken over by hate as well.

What I'd give to get those days of SRK VS Salman, Deepika VS Katrina, Sri vs Madz, boxoffice wars etc fanwars back & throw the hate mongering of todays away.

The world is deteriorating with every passing day.

I don't like it when people say they want to make masala movies on gangsters not just dawood and his family, latif but even arun gawli.. Of course they have masala value and will be made, but I want some to be seen on Muslim heroes - by heroes I don't mean just APJ Kalam.. Bollywood movies have tremendous soft power and if a good film maker makes a movie on Kargil martyrs like Haneefuddin or the braves who returned home alive it would be great..

There are plenty of police martyrs but i keep reading about the bravery of shakeel - Harikrishna duo during the early stages of hunting for veerappan.. They were extremely dedicated and they are mentioned in every movie made on veerappan but i feel their story merits a separate movie.. Shakeel's father never got a proper closure.. I don't know about Harikrishna's family.. I had read about him in a book on veerappan and then searched for articles on line.. I feel it is an inspiring tale of bravery and camaraderie as well as a tragic story waiting to be told

The problem here is that if the government gets involved, the movies become propaganda.. That should be avoided. An average Muslim isn't the Rahim chacha of old movies.. And he isn't a gangster.. While he is now being projected as an average guy next door in some movies.. The work of Muslims in public sphere must also be brought out in the open to provide a healing touch.. There are teenagers from both communities who are vain and just learn from movies.. They should probably see real good people glorified in movies.

I think Akki's character in real life was a Christian.. He should have been shown as one..

I don't want any regulation on movie industry and I certainly don't want them to belt out propaganda.. But I wish they do think on these lines too

P. S sorry for quoting.. It wasn't directed at you

Atrocities were done earlier and people suffered silently.. No one ever spoke up for the sufferers then.. The minute they began speaking up for their rights they r termed bigots and murderers.. While all these years they r the ones who have been murdered.

Forgot Sikh massacre, numerous riots that used to happen on every festival back then? Serial bomb blasts all over the country? Taj hotel attack? Train blasts in India and abroad? Attack on press abroad?

How much of this has happened in last few years?

Country is free from serial blasts since demonetisation. But ye kisiko nahi dikhega. All festivals r celebrated peacefully except some fake activists crying about water and smoke and animals while eating animals all year, being chain smokers and bathing in bathtubs.

Open your eyes.. Dont just seeh what is fed to u.

I grew up in a communal riot torn city and m truly thankful it doesnt happen now.

It was much different than the agenda based riots of today

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

They do.. Everything is hidden under the mask of civilization.. Yes, there are a few incurable shareef and humanitarians.. But some pseudo decent in the public sphere aren't good to their families.. It is just that they didn't get an opportunity to create nuisance in public..

While Internet generation is blamed for deteriorating family structure, there were a lot of people abandoning their wives and kids even in my grandparents generation.. While kids were seen as budhape ki laathi, meant to carry the lineage forward - those very kids become a liability when their mother dies young.. Some are parcelled off to live with their grandparents and are abandoned for all practical purpose..

Drunk men beating wives and kids were there in generations before us

I am not just blaming men here, there were bad mothers too.. My friend's mother was abandoned by her grandmother who ran off with a lover after becoming a widow.. The little girl faced hell while growing up..

A schoolmate and her brother were left in dire straits when their mom killed their dad and ran off with valuables.. With full support of a lover..

Spousal abuse had greater social sanction before

All these happened before internet became a rage..

Kameene log were in every generation

Completely agree!! Nothing new under the sun. There were child abusers, molesters, gays and lesbians, adulterers, wife beaters, husband beaters everything..... always, its just that now there are many channels to voice out and there is more acceptance of the rot in the system rather than saying nahi nahi.....shhh......aisa mat bolo....naam kharaab ho jayega......