Bahubali 2's success shows up the north's ignorance of south - Page 6

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

To those who say Hindi is not imposed
https://twitter.com/Deepa92019626/status/856821170527719426

To those who are telling South Indians that their grievances are not real, this is what South Indians are antagonist to. This attitude. This is in answer to the question of being antagonist to NIs. No, it's the Hindi Chauvinism on display.

And the fact that you don't bother to read on why people are upset, or choosing to ignore it and belittle it, or not caring and wanting Hindi imposed--that is what causes antagonism.


This is so true.Recently there was a hoarding in Chennai Airport stating people should think ,read and write in Rajbasha( duh, since they can't use Rashtrabasha) Hindi because it makes them happy by AAI.
If this is not imposition then I don't know what is.
I do believe it is good to learn as many languages but it should be out of will not forced.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NautankiSaali


This is so true.Recently there was a hoarding in Chennai Airport stating people should think ,read and write in Rajbasha( duh, since they can't use Rashtrabasha) Hindi because it makes them happy by AAI.
If this is not imposition then I don't know what is.
I do believe it is good to learn as many languages but it should be out of will not forced.



Yes. That photo is on Twitter, but it's annoying to post Twitter pics now on IF.

It is good to learn many languages. I agree. I too pick up on languages. But if 'promotion' is done by union, it should be done for all languages equally. But they will not do that, instead will use non-Hindi states' tax money to promote Hindi in non-Hindi states, and forcing non-Hindi speakers to learn Hindi for jobs in non-Hindi speaking states.

When people go to various countries, people usually pick up a dictionary, or get by with gestures etc etc. But what is being expected of non-Hindi states is to accommodate with Hindi. This is absud. There are plenty of people in South India from North East, Punjab, Marwadis, etc etc who have all picked up Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam, etc etc. However the increasing expectation is that Hindi should be enough. States don't have control over their education in their schools, Hindi is forced to be taught. All forcing multiple strata of society in which Centre puts Hindi on top of the chain even outside Hindi speaking states.

Here is a screenshot the Railway Act where it clearly states that only the lowest class of carriage is required to use local language, and other classes Hindi and English.

https://ibb.co/na3Hd5

I am not bothered about those who are never going to accept this. But South Indians and other Non-Hindi speakers. Watch that video, go through the twitter tags, read the articles posted here and elsewhere. Then you will see what's going on and why fellow people are behaving the way they are.
http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/enough-hindi-imposition-stop-wasting-time-and-money-shove-it-down-our-throats-49903
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The hate for North Indians Hindi and Hindi film industry is so 😵
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Morsmorde

The hate for North Indians Hindi and Hindi film industry is so 😵



And where do you see the hate for North Indians in this thread? And even Hindi film industry? People criticized Bollywood's behavior. And Hindi imposition, which also included Hindi film industry being considered 'national' by media and due to policies of the Indian government.

The article itself shows where the condescension lies, where the media behave the way they do towards other languages, industries, stars, and movies.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani



And where do you see the hate for North Indians in this thread? And even Hindi film industry? People criticized Bollywood's behavior. And Hindi imposition, which also included Hindi film industry being considered 'national' by media and due to policies of the Indian government.

The article itself shows where the condescension lies, where the media behave the way they do towards other languages, industries, stars, and movies.



the hate/dislike for NI is very clear from the thread title itself. Norths ignorance of South. Firstly why S feels the need for acknowledgment from N like why? people critizing BW is fine. maine kab kaha mat karo?
of course national media is also running in Hindi so they will automatically present BW as national. That's why regional cinema is called regional because of its limited access. However things are changing and that's good.
On imposition of Hindi idk about it at all because I live in a total Hindi speaking state. how can anyone impose Hindi on anyone unless they put u on gun point and forces u to speak it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Morsmorde



Ahhh, so you just admit. National to you is legitimately Hindi. There in lies the problem within the construct itself. 'National' Media whether English or Hindi should be *national* as in all of India, just that the language used to convey will be in Hindi and or English.

Here you are admitting you believe Hindi=national. And since national =India, you yourself admit to what people object to: The idea that Hindi=India and/or India=Hindi. And yet, on this thread the people who are in the same camp as you are talking about North, East, West, South are all India. No, when you equate Hindi with national, you automatically put the other regions and languages below national, as an outlier. "We are the Indians. They are the *other Indians."

Hindi was and is a regional language, which has been expanded by combining older languages as its dialects, and then imposing it onto other regions. If other regions have no problem with it, that's their choice.

And at bold, the fact that you refuse to read, or listen to what's been given on this thread--or, if you have read refuse to acknowledge or not care--that shows the very issue.

Non-Hindi speakers are telling you and giving countless examples of it being imposed. Still, you refuse to listen. Shows the chauvinism and Hindi imperialism. And yet, pointing this out will send all into a tizzy.

Edited by KhatamKahani - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago
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THIS is the main reason why i joined IF: wealth of cinematic knowledge, and good discussions👍🏼.
Thank you, everyone who made great posts exposing the politics behind moviemaking in India. I learned a lot reading this thread today. I was not aware of the danger regional languages and their cultures in general are facing! What would India be without its multiculturalism😳

I have not seen it yet, but this makes me even more happy that Baahubali is creating new records everywhere. The South is shaking up things in the desi cinematic verse.
Poetic justice if you ask me🥳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani


Firstly don't get personal with me. Just because you say Hindi is a regional language doesn't make it so lol. Yeah right I live in MP and here Nimadi is as much used as Hindi so shall I also protest oh why Nimadi is not given as much importance as Hindi. Accept it or not Hindi has a wider reach compared to other languages. You don't like speaking Hindi fine but no need to pull it down. I never said India is only for Hindi or Hindi speakers lol. You will just believe what you want to so there is nothing to debate here. agar mujhe Hindi samajh aati hai aur samne wale person ko bhi so the communication lang. will be that only na. Anyways aap apni language bol kar khush raho aur hum apni.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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On topic : it's a very good film and everyone should watch it. Anushka looks so beautiful ❤️
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I would like to say my personal views as a South Indian living in SI, from my personal experiences.

Firstly, I have studied Hindi as my second language in school, ICSE syllabus - which was very difficult, but let me say that I don't remember most of what I've studied :p

And, this is the case with most of my class fellows who have opted for Hindi as their second language - it wasn't forced down upon us, it was a choice made. And through we wrecked our heads and scored well, most of us forgot more than half of the difficult words we studied..

So, I do not really agree that studying hindi in schools really has the level of impact that it can replace our mother tongues. We all speak/know Telugu better than Hindi. Sure, our telugu is not as good as it should be, but it's because we have studied english and were encouraged to speak in english everywhere we went, this is the case with all millenial Indians in general TBH... (my case is different, poor at all languages x( )

And THIS, is despite the fact that we live in a place that has considerable Urdu/Hindi influence - culturally.. we do speak our infamous Hyderabadi Hindi or whatever hindi we can in colleges(it's kind of a trend here, in colleges, you'll see 30% peeps speaking in Hindi and other 70% in telugu or english). Even when we go shopping, unless the shop-keeper speaks to us in telugu, somehow we assume that he is hindi speaker and go on in our hindi. And, every shopkeeper here understands hindi..
But it is our culture, our culture here where we live is influenced heavily by Hindi/urdu.. However, the point I am trying to make here is, despite the influence, I have not seen telugu people replacing their native culture.

Which makes me realise that culture is such a personal and deeply ingrained in all of us that, most of us don't change so easily. Even if we do get influenced, if we are aware, we can guide ourselves as to what we can pick up or what we can leave. If a Telugu person likes and imbibes Hindi/urdu language, it's their personal choice. I think in everyone's life there comes a time when they question their identity, and then you start making conscious choices. So in the end, it's personal choice of what you want your identity or culture to be like. I can say this based on personal experience - my telugu or knowledge of telugu is better than what it used to be as a child, so is the case with my friends who have studied in same school, or same kind of schools.

I have never seen people leave their native culture behind, unless they moved to a different state - even then, I have not seen them forgetting their native culture...

Hindi in schools/central government offices and the exposure to it is too little in comparison to what we grow up and live with for most part of the day.


Even the signboards in our state have 4 languages -- Telugu, Hindi, English and Urdu - it's a serious thing in our state :)



So, I really don't see how hindi has been imposed.. I do see how Hindi is a compulsory subject til 7th standard, how it is everywhere on signboards, how it is considered 'official' language in central government alongside English... But I can see where the Union government is coming from too.

Let's be honest that even if any Indian may not know english - he will know basic hindi words like "Khaana", "kya", "kaisa" .. atleast is capable of understanding such basic words - may not be able to read but understand... But not anywhere outside two telugu states could I assume that there would be people to understand basic telugu words... That is the difference between hindi and other national languages. I think the intention of the government was, about 41% of the Indian population speak Hindi in comparison to other languages, and Hindi speaking people are everywhere unlike Telugu speakers for example. In India, if we go to any public space - there will be atleast 1 in 2 who will know some basic hindi words - words of common use, words used for social convenience..

So, somehow during colonial days or even post-independence, people all over India started having a common knowledge of basic Hindi..

And, TBH I never understood how studying simple hindi til 7th is anyway imposition of Hindi... somehow, never got the argument because we never remember what we study then anyway :p .. if anything, it'll make it easy of us to know basic words... can navigate through the country with ease.. Just by learning a few words I don't think our cultural identity suffers a setback.

But IDK, maybe I am not able to see this through fellow SI lenses... because for us here, 90% of the shopkeepers talk to us in Hindi, even telugu shopkeepers know basic hindi. Any public places we go, if they don't know telugu - it's hindiii .
I actually like that there's one Indian language to unify us and make our public movements easier.. But cannot see the argument how it has ever underminded my language - if anything I have not shown much curiosity in my mother language.

We really cannot be blind to the fact that hindi is a commonly known language across India.. adding an additional language to our vocab doesn't take away other languages.. I love how each educated Indian knows atleast 2 languages :)




Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 8 years ago

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