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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: Dexterkilaila

Read above. Again. Repeat and reiterate if you must. I said different degrees of bullying. Bullying being the key word. Jeeez Louise.😆

Geez.. killing 12 jernos in cold blood is called "bullying"? R u on the same page as me? Now put the laughing emoticon.. have u seen the video of how they gun down a cop on the pavement.. then laugh again..

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#62

Sorry...its blasphemous to even compare any Hindu organizations with terrorist organizations...if they were...MF Hussain would not have had a chance to flee...he would have been killed in india itself...it is one thing to condemn extremism in any form...but a totally different to compare them with terrorists...all extremists r not terrorists...hindu organizations may be extremists but its disgusting to compare them with terrorists...if they were terrorists...no one would be able to use Hindu religion to prove a point and the PK team would be dead by now...terrorists dont whine and protest...they go and kill in cold blood...so please...🥱

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blue-ice.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#63

I am a very tolerant Hindu...nothing in PK offended me...but man MF Hussain was on a different level...he drew some really offensive pic of MY Goddesses...and if he had the right to expression...so do i have the right to get offended and protest peacefully...but that is where i will stop...at a peaceful protest...but people of any religion have the right to get offended and protest peacefully when their Gods are insulted...

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kabeeraspeaking

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Posted: 10 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: KatrinaAC
First of all RIP victim of Paris shooting.
Few cartoons and boom---> religious sentiments are hurt and human beings are killed.
Compare it with PK controversy. This is the answer to the question in some posts in PK related thread that why Amir Khan and Raju Hirani didn't make fun of other religions. PK made 300 crores and freedom of expression was upheld and look a few cartoons in a newspaper and religious sentiments of particular community are hurt.

Hirani has said in a video interview that the purpose for which he made the movie was not to offend or target people and their practices, but rather to send out a message/start a conversation about misuse and intolerance with regards to religion. Accordingly, he said that the conceptualization and 'packaging' of the movie was therefore done in such a way so as to present the entire issue in a unique and, hopefully, as non-offensive a way as possible. This was also conveyed in the movie through Anushka's character, who tells PK that they had to get him to present the case against fraudulent religious figures/practices in a 'new' way because they couldn't go about calling them frauds outright, which would've resulted in violence and a rather quick shutdown of their plan.

The difference with these cartoons and other social/political/religious commentary or humour is that they usually intend to call out what's important/sacred to many people in expectedly satirical and offensive manners. For the most part, they don't wrap the content in a garb of uniqueness or exceptional rhetoric and thus aim to start a conversation. Rather, they directly poke fun at the matter with a firm underlying opinion.

Comparatively, Hirani made the movie hoping to offend as least a number of people as possible, and if someone says he did it because he didn't want to mess with a 'particular community' as you put it...well, good for him that he found some way to say what he wanted, ended up successfully sending out a message in countries of all faiths, started many conversations, earned money, and is also alive. Overall a winning formula. However, the scales of the issues and approaches are very different between PK and Charlie Hebdo, which sort of confuses me about the intent of your post. Your conclusion doesn't seem to be that violence, to whatever extent, in reaction to both PK or the incident in Paris is equally as reprehensible. On the contrary, it seems aimed at rubbing in your opinions against a certain religious community...as if you're saying 'look, point proved'...am I reading this right? And in the case that I am...what exactly do you hope to state or bring to the conversation through such a proof...

(P.S. If people know about what happened in Pakistan's Peshawar attack recently, Muslim school children were mass murdered by terrorist militants...so forget Hirani and Charlie Hebdo, you don't even need to 'hurt' religious sentiments to have someone come at you and kill you. Even at complete innocence and lack of any motivating action, there are those out there who have lost their lives at the hands of such twisted people. It's a matter of power, politics and economics which is garbed as a 'religious' issue. Reminds me of the scene in PK where he switches up the clothing representing different religions and their wearers or shows the ease with which religion is twisted/used by its 'managers' for their own purposes. Pretty much what we're seeing in the world today.)

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fcuff

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Posted: 10 years ago

#65

I think the main grouse of the people protesting against PK is the selective censorship that happens in the country. See below for example. It is apparently very easy to get cuts when certain religions are targeted, but not when others are.

I think it is unfair and that there should be no cencorship. Selective cencorship only provides ammo to people who say that there is an agenda against their religion only

"The Central Board of Film Certification in India, or "censor board," has assured the representatives of various Catholic groups that the offensive scenes will be removed from an upcoming Hindi film and that more caution will be used in the future."

Joseph Dias of the ecumenical group, The Catholic-Christian Secular Forum, told supporters in a Sept. 28 email that Censor Board chairperson, Leela Samson, has assured protestors, "the film was shown to a Catholic review member and necessary action had been taken."

The film "Kamaal Dhamaal Malamaal" came under the criticism of various Christian groups in India for multiple scenes including a dance number featuring a Catholic priest on the steps of a church while wearing a garland of lottery tickets and rosary, a live person hiding in a coffin marked with a cross, and a priest holding a bouquet of flowers bearing the message, "I love you."

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/World.php?id=6256

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Posted: 10 years ago

#66

Not seen any incidence of any Hindu around the globe to avenge any painting,movie or cartoon and killing someone to avenge.In the country yes the protests,threats were happening but Hindus outside was largely unaffected.They in general much easily get adapt to the country they live in.This new emerging terror pattern going to have some strong reactions in coming days I feel. If freedom of expression right is there for Hussain,Hirani then even CharlieHebdo,Salman Rushdie and others too are entitled to this. Why very less criticism for this while the support for PK was almost unanimous.Double standard. Different yardstick for different religions.

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kabeeraspeaking

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Posted: 10 years ago

#67

Originally posted by: KatrinaAC
Not seen any incidence of any Hindu around the globe to avenge any painting,movie or cartoon and killing someone to avenge.In the country yes the protests,threats were happening but Hindus outside was largely unaffected.They in general much easily get adapt to the country they live in.This new emerging terror pattern going to have some strong reactions in coming days I feel. If freedom of expression right is there for Hussain,Hirani then even CharlieHebdo,Salman Rushdie and others too are entitled to this. Why very less criticism for this while the support for PK was almost unanimous.Double standard. Different yardstick for different religions.

The after effects, criticism, conversation and backlash stemming from the incident at Charlie Hebdo of course are and will be much more far-reaching than anything that PK amounted to. Once again, it's a matter of scale. 12 people killed in a European country. If you don't think there is criticism, you are living in a bubble. Are you trying to understand why people on India Forums didn't support Hinduism vs. PK or looking for more of them to pitch in and express their Islamophobia?

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: kabeeraspeaking

The after effects, criticism, conversation and backlash stemming from the incident at Charlie Hebdo of course are and will be much more far-reaching than anything that PK amounted to. Once again, it's a matter of scale. 12 people killed in a European country. If you don't think there is criticism, you are living in a bubble. Are you trying to understand why people on India Forums didn't support Hinduism vs. PK or looking for more of them to pitch in and express their Islamophobia?

Khans have been rulling BW for so long. Islamophobia any1?

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#69

If cockroaches r ruining my house, its my duty to get rid of them.. if i dont and they start spreading around all neighborhood they wud take matters in their hands...I cant put hands up and say i didnt breed those cockroaches..

Wake up all u defenders of cockroches, coz world will not tolerate this innocent ppl killing anymore. And u have no chance against the power rest of the world possess.. even one tiny lil country can wipe them out.. of course on backing of superpower.. and huge numbers of innocent lives can be lost.. some cockroaches may survive.. as they always done for millenias..

Soul searching.. not poor defencing... Forget abt the book.. start acting like civilised human beings.. or else..

Others will deal with it with heavy hands..

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Annie

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Posted: 10 years ago

#70

Originally posted by: blue-ice
I am a very tolerant Hindu...nothing in PK offended me...but man MF Hussain was on a different level...he drew some really offensive pic of MY Goddesses...and if he had the right to expression...so do i have the right to get offended and protest peacefully...but that is where i will stop...at a peaceful protest...but people of any religion have the right to get offended and protest peacefully when their Gods are insulted...

Hey BI, I wanted to specifically reply to you since I have been doing a project for an entire night and was online anyway. Also you seem like a relatively sane member to me, so I felt like I should clarify my stance. Like you said, you may feel offended against something that hurts your sensibility, but the Radicals do not stop at that. The radicals invading and attacking Hussain's home did not stop at that. Us Hindus as a community need to speak out against them before India turns into another Pakistan and trust me nobody wants that.

The fact is the idea of Blasphemy and retaliation does not even exist in Hinduism. Radicals tend to use their power hungry, attention seeking attitude through Hinduism especially when the ideas of non-believers or the concept of punishing them or even Hinduism being the singular faith are virtually non existent. Hinduism has survived and co-existed so well because of its tolerance and quest of truth, not MY-faith-is-better-than-yours game. Most of these radicals are uneducated fools who couldn't read Sanskrit if their life depended on it and don't know anything about their own faith. Have you heard about the recent so-called conversion campaign? LOL, I have never heard anything funnier than people converting to Hinduism. You cannot freaking convert to it. But idiots. Like you losers can't even read one Gita verse if you tried.

😆 So yeah. We need to speak out against all kinds of radicals. Within home and outside. Silence breeds them and we will not let India's heritage of general peace be overrun and that's exactly what our beloved Hindu Radicals will do if encouraged.

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