Does Gauri have a point with Jagat's MS dilemma?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Does Jagat need his MS? I'm curious to see if Gauri has a point.

Even though I don't like Jagat, it was nice to see him light up after being bitter and self loating for a long time. He did something he was proud of and I think he got a decent job offer. Is it grand like Gauri's job? No. But is it satisfying for him? It seems like it.

But as we know, Gauri ji isn't happy with this. She thinks Jagat needs to secure his MS before venturing out for jobs. Does she have a point here?

I'm curious because where I live, in the US, physicians do not need anything more than their MD's before practicing medicine. I don't know how it's like in India. So is Gauri giving important advice or no?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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bumping this to see if I can get some replies and then I'll let it get buried again
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Posted: 13 years ago
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My sister and brother-in-law both are doctors. What I understand from them is MS is to do with specialist job and it is very much desirable though not madatory...that too from a good college. An MBBS doctor may provide all required basic care though but not when it comes to special care ... e:g: pregnant women go to Gynaecologist, whether it is normal or C-section...I know it is not the case in UK either (like US)...normal delivery ladies never even see the doctor..lol :-)
MS people know more about a particular condition (Eye, heart, medicine, surgery etc) and people in India prefer to go to specialists for particular condition...and specialists are avilable. MBBS doctors rank come after them as i have seen
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Gauri has A Point for MS. They are both young , in same profession and Gauri is good in academics.. Jagat was not that great. FOr Gauri acquiring higher qualification will be always satisfying.

They do not have any family responsibilities, no loads no burden this is the time when Jagat can study and complete his MS. It will certainly do good t his career.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Jagat does not NEED an MS to practice/find a job ... and yes, he is qualified as a general practitioner with his MBBS ... however he has certain high-falutin ambitions which he cannot satisfy with his MBBS -- he wants a certain kind of job, he wants a certain kind of hospital to work at, he wants a certain status and he wants to be equal to both his friends and his wife -- in this respect then, given that he has all these aspirations, it is prudent for him to get his M.S.
Gauri is absolutely right in 2 aspects:
1. he has already completed 2.5 years of a 3 year program of his M.S... so he needs to just buckle down and complete the last six months (infact he has also completed all requirements for the other 6 months ... he just has to give his final exams ...)
2. even when he has accepted MBBS level jobs at different places in the past ... for some reason he always felt bad that he was at the MBBS level ... and there was friction at those places and he had to quit... whenever he applies for an MBBS level job he does not do it happily, and always feels that he is making a compromise ... and that begins to eat away at his self-esteem and his mental peace of mind...
she wants him to do both if he can ... work at a job AND finish his MS
but since both do not seem possible for jagat, she would like him to pick one (the MS) and move with that option...
In addition to the above two aspects of Jagat's best interest himself, gauri also has her own selfish interests and concerns about the differential that will be there between the two as she is very ambitious and will go far and he will remain at a junior doctor all his life ... which will create further discord in their marital life because he does not like remaining a junior to her even in the temporary phase of 6 months, so will he be able to do it on a life long basis.
So, I think given Jagat's own aspirations of being a super doctor working at a super hospital having a super salary ... yes gauri does have a point... if he were happy with MBBS level jobs and did not have any problems with it, or her being more qualified, then I suppose gauri would set aside her own selfish aspirations for him (albeit with some reluctance).
Jagat's main problem is that he wants everything without doing the M.S. which is not really possible.
His secondary issue is that if he sits at home and focuses on his M.S. , she makes him beg for money all the time for buying a toothbrush, for re-filling balance on his cell-phone, for buying two bananas etc. etc. and always tells him to go without certain things, and refuses to buy certain things based on her assessment of whether he really needs them or not... which he finds demeaning... and if she does give him money, she never ceases to rub it in his face.
The situation could be solved by gauri giving him a little bit of pocket money every month instead of making him beg for every little thing ... but gauri doesnt want to do that ... so he keeps wanting to take up jobs...
Personally, leaving the money dynamics aside, I think it is a question of personal preference and personal threshold -- some people do best when they focus only on their studies ... others get their adrenalin pumped when they are juggling more balls ... certain others are experiential learners and certain others are academic learners ... It is for each person to find out what works best for them and not to adopt anyone else's style.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavmuks

Gauri has A Point for MS. They are both young , in same profession and Gauri is good in academics.. Jagat was not that great. FOr Gauri acquiring higher qualification will be always satisfying.

They do not have any family responsibilities, no loads no burden this is the time when Jagat can study and complete his MS. It will certainly do good t his career.


bold i will differ with you here he was a good student thats why a professor from his college faculty .was taunting him when he was debarred from examination and he was planning what to cook tonight with Gauri ..he taunted Jagaya i had great expectations from you and you are doing here what to cook tonight .very good you ruined my expectations ...so he was a good student someone whom Gauri can trust he can acquire good marks if he tries ...secondly Gauri is not understanding his mental condition ...in the time span after he was debarred from examination he has gone through so much ...like he himself was mentioning his self confidence has become so less ...he started considering himself useless because nothing is going well in his life ... sitting at home while his all friends work ...he will never be able to study but his mind will be occupied with strange things ...it is quite normal behavior from human ...just sit at home for few months ...no work for you ...you are alone ..the only person who lives with you has her own duties come and goes ..and you have to ask from her for money .and she has her own restrictions in giving you her money and also leave no stone unturned to rub that on your face ...nothing going well in your life ..then you will feel the walls of the house are eating you up ..you will never be able to study but keep thinking strange things ...its quite a behavior that almost every human being will have if he will go through same as Jagaya ...thirdly men have an upbringing like this ..they are being told from childhood they are the one who have to earn the bread for their house then our society which actually mocks a man sitting at home no matter what reason and his wife working ...Gauri is not understanding all this ..infact she is only abdamant on her own selfish wishes ..if she actually wants Jagaya to top in MS..why don't she herself help him in his studies and let him do job too ..if he will go outside meet with people ..his practice will also be on till he completes his MS ..he can have good experience too for good job and also get good marks in MS...she should actually advise him to keep his head cool and work till his best in this job ...but she is not understanding anything at all 😕for good job you need some good experience too not just MS degree in your hand ...
Edited by jermey1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Completing MS is important from career point of view.If you want to climb up the ladder it is necessary.MS/MD is the minimum qualification required post MBBS to climb up the ladder in the field of medicine.Jagya never said that he was not interested in getting his MS degree..In fact he is all set to write the exam. For some reasons I had to take my MD exams 6 months after finished the course.And sitting at home and preparing for the exam at that stage in life is a bit demoralising.You need to go out and work for at least some part of the day because that puts your mind in a better frame.
That's why I do not agree with her view.She is doing this to Jagya just to keep him under her thumb.And I wont be surprsied if she binds him in chains and lock him up tomorrow.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yes she does has a point!

MS is an equivalent degree to MD bcoz both are masters degree.MD means Doctor of Medicine and MS means Master of Surgery.A persone with a MD degree specializes in some field like gynecology,gastro etc wheres a MS specializes in surgeries of various kinds.Both are Masters degrees and if you want to pursue a successful medical career you need to have a masters degree.

Now why does Gauri has a point?Bcoz doing the job of a doctor is not a nine to five job.There are night shifts, emergency calls and expectation of 24X7 service.So its very difficult to pursue final year MS with that.You need to be religiously dedicated to balance the two.So if Jagat focusses on his studies for just six months he will get the masters degree and will find a much better job.Gynae is not his forte or area of interest.He first needs to complete his MS and acc to that he needs to decide that what field he wants to specialize in.Just grabbing a job bcoz you will get an earning is a stupid reason.

So I cant say she is wrong but yes there is just one problem.And the problem is that she is overlooking the fact that at this point of time it will be good for Jagat to do a job for moral and humanly reasons.Not bcoz he needs money but bcoz it will make him re-realize the satisfaction and warmth of saving a life.He badly needs that.He needs to reinvent his goal.From that pov I think she should have let him go for the job and motivate him to work hard and simultaneously balance the two.But in no case I can say that she was wrong.


Edited by Malika - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malika

Yes she does has a point!

MS is an equivalent degree to MD bcoz both are masters degree.MD means Doctor of Medicine and MS means Master of Surgery.A persone with a MD degree specializes in some field like gynecology,gastro etc wheres a MS specializes in surgeries of various kinds.Both are Masters degrees and if you want to pursue a successful medical career you need to have a masters degree.

Now why does Gauri has a point?Bcoz doing the job of a doctor is not a nine to five job.There are night shifts, emergency calls and expectation of 24X7 service.So its very difficult to pursue final year MS with that.You need to be religiously dedicated to balance the two.So if Jagat focusses on his studies for just six months he will get the masters degree and will find a much better job.Gynae is not his forte or area of interest.He first needs to complete his MS and acc to that he needs to decide that what field he wants to specialize in.Just grabbing a job bcoz you will get an earning is a stupid reason.

So I cant say she is wrong but yes there is just one problem.And the problem is that she is overlooking the fact that at this point of time it will be good for Jagat to do a job for moral and humanly reasons.Not bcoz he needs money but bcoz it will make him re-realize the satisfaction and warmth of saving a life.He badly needs that.He needs to reinvent his goal.From that pov I think she should have let him go for the job and motivate him to work hard and simultaneously balance the two.But in no case I can say that she was wrong.


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You are right.Being a doctor is not a nine to five job. There is a concept of part time job for doctors who are preparing for repeat exams or preparing foe PG entrance exams.And they require your services for 6 -8 hours.Probably this is what Jagya had in mind when he decided work with the gynaec.
Sitting and studying single mindedly works well for Gauri But it will not work out for Jagya.Because despite being a bright student he is not the studious type.To study he needs stimulation from the environment aorund him namely work place.
That's why I think Gauri isdoing more harm than good by preventing him from taking up that job.
Edited by apjk - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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well Gauri has only one valid point for better job Jagaya needs to complete his MS...he cannot expect to have a job at MS level with MBBS only .yes after MBBS he can get a job in fact doctors start working after MBBS but MS or MD are specialization courses for doctors in India... Jagaya can become a specialist only after doing this . The MBBS degree represents the first graduation level of training required to be licensed as physicians, and MS or MD degree is a higher postgraduate degree, representative of specialty training..so if Jagaya wants good job he needs to complete his MS on every cost...but where i disagree with Gauri and consider her wrong ...Jagaya has completed all other requirements for his MS he was only debarred from exams .right now he only need to give his final examination which he will give when the college will take its exams so if he is saying he can manage both his job and studies then she should give him a chance instead of saying don;t do this job ..she should understand Jagaya's problem .he feeling so low seeing his all friends working and him sitting at home and eating on his wife's earning .Jagaya has no issues with Gauri working i mean he never stopped her don't work but he wants to work too he doesn't want to be mocked that he is eating on his wife's earning ..moreover sitting at home his mind is occupied with strange things ,,he keeps thinking about what he has gone through..and i think jermey 1 has explained it so well i dont need to add more about Jagaya's mental condition ...i completely agree with jermey so Gauri needs to understand all this ..she must have learnt some psychatry in MBBS ..? She fails to understand Jagaya's problem or she doesn't want to understand him...😕Jagaya needs a job right now to come out of his miserable state and get back to form instead of sitting at home thinking revenge against Shiv...to complete his MS he doesn't need to lock himself up in one room and cramp his books ...this is higher level study where he can manage job and studies both if he tries and doctors do it i think previously both Jagaya and Gauri were working along with doing MS so whats the big issue here ? previously Gauri had problem because Jagaya instead of applying for MS was dreaming about bigger jobs he wasn't doing MS but doing job without it but now since he has applied and also job has been offered to him at home in recognition with his talent and skills so why Gauri has issues now ? if she thinks he won't be able to study along with job so i think she herself can help him whenever she has time with studies if her wishes are sincere to him instead of asking him study only and don't do job ..why don't she help him in studies ..make notes for him or give him her notes ...he too helped her in her exams so its really not a big thing like she is making it ...sitting at home doing nothing eating on Gauri's earning that too she has so many restrictions for him for using her money and previously never let any chance to rub that on his face... if with this situation Gauri thinks Jagaya will top she is completely wrong here ..he needs to go out meet with people do some work do something to come out of his miserable state .needs to get his confidence back in him that he not useless but someone who can do something ...he needs to reinvent his goal...then he will be able to concentrate on his studies too side by side otherwise instead of completing his MS he will surely become a complete psycho sitting at home 😆Gauri should encourage him to balance his studies and job and if possible help him in his studies that will be a wise and sensible approach from her but she is behaving like an idiot here 😕or she is selfishly doing it Jagaya is right she has actually started enjoying dominating him🤢
Edited by sidra08 - 13 years ago

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