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Posted: 17 years ago
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http://movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2947301.cms
The recent Krazzy 4 plagiaristic controversy that came to light with the help of one determined soul who had the courage to fight for what is right. With this in mind we wonder whether this blatant lifting of music scores, plots and whatever else there may be will ever come to an end. If not then will this phase that has since turned into a fad slow down and have repercussions for the copy cats...

Though Ram Sampath has got his pound of flesh in kind with a compensation of Rs2 croroe, there are others who still haven't got anything, not even an acknowledgement. Hence we take a look at some of the well known plagiarizers in Bollywood with great examples of xerography.

Besides this wont be the first article that pays a tribute to these copy cats, two series of videos on youtube put the composer Pritam under the scanner for allegedly 'lifting' tunes. These videos feature Pritam's hits followed by the originals they sound similar to. The video of ' Yeh Ishq Hai ' from Jab We Met is followed by the ' Etre Une Femme ' video by Indonesian artist Anggun. Other examples include songs from movies like Metro , Gangster and Race – all mega-hits tailed by songs that are hauntingly similar. Some of the bands are obscure – they're Indonesian, Korean, Turkish and others who are nevertheless popular in the region they come from.

Even in the days gone by Pritam has never denied his sources of inspiration. Thus raising the question: as long as the music is a hit, do producers care about minor details like copyright?

Rajesh Roshan is no stranger to this concept of borrowing. To prove this we have listed some of the track that may just ring a bell...

Chaand Sitaare from Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai , the humming was copied exactly from Voices by Vangelis! En Panchiyon . Then there is the instrumental theme from Koi Mil Gaya , which in turn is grafted from Kraftwerk's 'Trans-Europe Express'. Dil Na Diya from Krrish is said to be 'inspired' by the Turkish Military march track 'Ceddin deden' . Then there is Idhar Chala in the film Koi Mil Gaya , lifted off a traditional/ folk South American tune called ' Suenos '

The well known king of composing (and lifting if I may say so) Anu Mallik has gone a long way in turning the term 'being inspired' into an art form. Here are some of his sources: Mera piya ghar aaya in Yaarana compared to Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's 'Mera piya ghar', Sandese Aate Hain from Border whose opening portion is inspired from 'With A little help from my friends' by the Beatles, Yeh kaali kaali aankhen in Baazigar has been inspired by Dean Martin's 'The man who plays the mandolino', Hai mera dil from the film Josh is basically a combination of Gypsy Kings' number 'Djobi Djoba' and Brian Hyland's 'Sealed with a kiss', the prelude from the theme track of the 1971 film Summer of 42 is replicated in Tere dar par Sanam from Phir teri kahani yaad aayi, Kaho na kaho from the hit film Murder is another example but the difference is that this song is not composed by Anu Malik, even though he's been credited as the composer. Jaane Jaana once again from the film Murder is an original by a popular Bangaldeshi band, Miles, called 'Firiye dao'

Shekhar from the Vishal-Shekhar team reacts to the Ram Sampath-Rajesh Roshan case saying, "Whatever Ram did, any music director would do. But, Hrithik and the Roshans are really nice people, so it's sad that something like this has happened. As far as copying goes, it has been going on for many years. www.itwofs.com is a website that talks about the many 'legendary' music directors who have lifted tunes. It's unfortunate as musicians are capable of writing better songs than what they've lifted. I don't know why people do that."

What about the fact that their song from Cash reminds listeners of the Pulp Fiction track, Misirlou? He says, "With Cash, it's the genre which is the style used. For example, hip-hip has a base line which is common to many songs. We don't believe in copying tunes. We'll never be able to do that and sleep soundly at night."

We wonder how the others manage a sound sleep especially after stealing someone else's sound and making a good load of moolah from this thievery

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjini


Shekhar from the Vishal-Shekhar team reacts to the Ram Sampath-Rajesh Roshan case saying, "Whatever Ram did, any music director would do. But, Hrithik and the Roshans are really nice people, so it's sad that something like this has happened. As far as copying goes, it has been going on for many years. www.itwofs.com is a website that talks about the many 'legendary' music directors who have lifted tunes. It's unfortunate as musicians are capable of writing better songs than what they've lifted. I don't know why people do that."



Thanks for the article Sahanaji...

Im a die hard fan of shekhar... But im too sad for him giving out such comment...

Just a question to Shekhar - What do you have to say about the song Main agar kahoon from OSO?? The prelude is clearly a copy from a song in tamil "Unnai Naan".. I guess the MD is Harris Jeyaraj... The song in itself is inspired from that song... Then why give out such statement???
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Thanks for the article Sahanaji...

Im a die hard fan of shekhar... But im too sad for him giving out such comment...

Just a question to Shekhar - What do you have to say about the song Main agar kahoon from OSO?? The prelude is clearly a copy from a song in tamil "Unnai Naan".. I guess the MD is Harris Jeyaraj... The song in itself is inspired from that song... Then why give out such statement???


Anu, is it possible that Vishal-Shekhar have got permission from Harris Jeyraj for using it? I think it is possible.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjini


Anu, is it possible that Vishal-Shekhar have got permission from Harris Jeyraj for using it? I think it is possible.



yes the fact that they got permission is highly possible...and also...copying/plagarizing is different from inspiration....if something inspires you...you take it and change it up a little...while plagiarism would be using the actual piece in the song...many people get his mixed up.....not any of the above coments...but just making the two clear.....but yes...the one person that really pisses me off is Pritam..because almost all of his hit songs are copied...which is a bunch of BS...and although we don't recognize the artists that he copies off of..they are big talents in their home countries....especially since many people consider him a "top" composer of today....just think...one of the top composers of Bollywood copies all his songs...and wins awards for them....not a good way to reflect the industry or the talent of those who work in it.....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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^ I totally agree with you about Pritam. It's so irritating to love one of his songs only to find out days later that it was plagiarized just like everything else by him. His albums are always great to listen to, but he doesn't deserve to be considered a top composer. But as far as I know, he's never actually won an award. I looked at Filmfare, Zee Cine, Star Screen and IIFA and none of them have ever given Pritam an award. They'd probably be ridiculed if they did.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Recently I heard AR Rehman's "tere bina" from Guru and was shocked to find it a complete lift from a CD containing Tibetian chants that I had picked up when I went to Taiwan. That chant goes "dum daara dum daara" in the same tune. I don't think the Tibetian chants were copied from anywhere but there is a possibility Rehman got this CD during one of his travels to China etc and thought no one would notice if he picked one of the chants.
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Originally posted by: punjini

Recently I heard AR Rehman's "tere bina" from Guru and was shocked to find it a complete lift from a CD containing Tibetian chants that I had picked up when I went to Taiwan. That chant goes "dum daara dum daara" in the same tune. I don't think the Tibetian chants were copied from anywhere but there is a possibility Rehman got this CD during one of his travels to China etc and thought no one would notice if he picked one of the chants.



Thats interesting!!! Could it be possible to get the original track for us??? 😊

Yes it could be possible tat they had gotten the permission and got inspired from that particular tune... But what he says - "When composers can compose original tunes, then why lift them??" Doesnt this goes for him too... Infact many of the OSO songs are inspired by other songs.. You can always see RD touch in many of their fast tracks...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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ok there is nothing like original.. bet' 12 notes somethings going to sound familiar.. even tunes. I think they should stop all these and reprimand people who expect lot of money for it.. and enjoy the music...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

ok there is nothing like original.. bet' 12 notes somethings going to sound familiar.. even tunes. I think they should stop all these and reprimand people who expect lot of money for it.. and enjoy the music...


Agreed there is nothing which is completely original. All that needs to be done is that if anything is directly lifted from somewhere, let the source be acknowledged on the CD covers or somewhere else. What's the problem in that for these MDs? After all, Karan Johar got permission to use Pretty Woman. Many times, you don't need to pay that much and the sources might be happy even if you just acknowledge them.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

ok there is nothing like original.. bet' 12 notes somethings going to sound familiar.. even tunes. I think they should stop all these and reprimand people who expect lot of money for it.. and enjoy the music...



True i agree with what u r saying...but when a song is picked up and instead of taking idea and making a tune out of that, the MD copies the whole song as it is...then its wrong. Atleats hv the courtesy to let the original composer know about it and give him the full due.

Sahana i had this song link with me last few days....does it reminds u all of any song! 😊 do listen to the full song.... This song was composed way before the hindi one got released. It is this type of plagiarism that even i feel needs to be stopped....ot at the most the original composer be given the due which he deserves instead of going away with the laurels myself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ect3VoEUJn8


Edited by Barnali - 17 years ago

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