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Posted: 2 months ago
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Originally posted by: Clochette

Again, I love your insightful reasoning. It also reflects my thinking as Aish not 'forgiving' what she perceived as a betrayal (very Scorpion-like).

The rift/'fight' between Salman and SRK wasn't because of Katrina but eventually because of Aish getting mentioned in a way it should not have been done (alcohol and temper also playing a role)...the back and forth got more and more heated and nobody really succeeded to cool them down. Without Gauri dragging SRK out of the 'party'...well...don't want to imagine that.

It certainly had been SRK's desperation that brought Rani (again) in the picture...one of his genuine close friends...

Afterthought: It may not be popular but I think, those incidents happen for a reason (forces of the Universe working)...maybe Aish really wasn't the 'right' partner in this movie...and also not in future ones...

I remember now you mentioned this. So Katrina had nothing to do with the fight but it was just her birthday party that was the setting? That seems to suggest that even ignoring Aish's bad feelings towards SRK, that he himself seemed to harbor some sort of resentment or residual negative feelings about her if he was willing to use her name to try and insult Salman. Which is ironic since I can't imagine why he'd still be angry at her after all these years when she has more reason to be. The worst of the Khans is still Aamir who blacklisted Aish for the pettiest of reasons because she refused to work in his flop Mangal Pandey film. Only Rani was desperate enough to work in that lol.

I don't know. On Reddit, many people comment that they felt Aishwarya in Chalte Chalte would have made it a bigger hit than it was. I think especially after Mohabbatein and Devdas, that would have been true. For their other films together, I think Happy New Year was awful so Aish lucked out on refusing that. Jawan was good but the role too small for the effort of doing it. Deepika was the better choice because audiences had already seen her and SRK together in Pathaan so it didn't feel like we were missing out. I think I read that Deepika also felt secure enough to say yes to the cameo because she had just come off of Pathaan with SRK.


Interestingly enough, SRK and Aish were chosen to welcome William and Kate to India. I think it's interesting that even here, SRK and Aish were considered the male and female faces of Bollywood and thus the perfect choices to welcome the British Royal Family. They truly are the image of Bollywood in the western world. A certain "queen" was not deemed important enough for this honor, no matter what her fan may claim. smiley2

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

I remember now you mentioned this. So Katrina had nothing to do with the fight but it was just her birthday party that was the setting? That seems to suggest that even ignoring Aish's bad feelings towards SRK, that he himself seemed to harbor some sort of resentment or residual negative feelings about her if he was willing to use her name to try and insult Salman. Which is ironic since I can't imagine why he'd still be angry at her after all these years when she has more reason to be. The worst of the Khans is still Aamir who blacklisted Aish for the pettiest of reasons because she refused to work in his flop Mangal Pandey film. Only Rani was desperate enough to work in that lol.

I don't know. On Reddit, many people comment that they felt Aishwarya in Chalte Chalte would have made it a bigger hit than it was. I think especially after Mohabbatein and Devdas, that would have been true. For their other films together, I think Happy New Year was awful so Aish lucked out on refusing that. Jawan was good but the role too small for the effort of doing it. Deepika was the better choice because audiences had already seen her and SRK together in Pathaan so it didn't feel like we were missing out. I think I read that Deepika also felt secure enough to say yes to the cameo because she had just come off of Pathaan with SRK.


Interestingly enough, SRK and Aish were chosen to welcome William and Kate to India. I think it's interesting that even here, SRK and Aish were considered the male and female faces of Bollywood and thus the perfect choices to welcome the British Royal Family. They truly are the image of Bollywood in the western world. A certain "queen" was not deemed important enough for this honor, no matter what her fan may claim. smiley2

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Royalty and two angrez. 😍

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

I remember now you mentioned this. So Katrina had nothing to do with the fight but it was just her birthday party that was the setting? That seems to suggest that even ignoring Aish's bad feelings towards SRK, that he himself seemed to harbor some sort of resentment or residual negative feelings about her if he was willing to use her name to try and insult Salman. Which is ironic since I can't imagine why he'd still be angry at her after all these years when she has more reason to be. The worst of the Khans is still Aamir who blacklisted Aish for the pettiest of reasons because she refused to work in his flop Mangal Pandey film. Only Rani was desperate enough to work in that lol.

I don't know. On Reddit, many people comment that they felt Aishwarya in Chalte Chalte would have made it a bigger hit than it was. I think especially after Mohabbatein and Devdas, that would have been true. For their other films together, I think Happy New Year was awful so Aish lucked out on refusing that. Jawan was good but the role too small for the effort of doing it. Deepika was the better choice because audiences had already seen her and SRK together in Pathaan so it didn't feel like we were missing out. I think I read that Deepika also felt secure enough to say yes to the cameo because she had just come off of Pathaan with SRK.


Interestingly enough, SRK and Aish were chosen to welcome William and Kate to India. I think it's interesting that even here, SRK and Aish were considered the male and female faces of Bollywood and thus the perfect choices to welcome the British Royal Family. They truly are the image of Bollywood in the western world. A certain "queen" was not deemed important enough for this honor, no matter what her fan may claim. smiley2

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lol i wonder why Rani is in your un weird coz you diss her mostly if you don't like her fine just remove her from un

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Posted: 2 months ago
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If u r being abused u go to police station n don't do press conference. 

Vivek was immature who thought it would bring him good publicity n make him a hero in Aish 's eyes. 

Without consulting Aishwarya he took her name n other actresses. If she was not comfortable in telling to world what happened behind closed doors let her b. She was a educated successful lady n didn't needed a man to fight her cause. 

Like in rape cases many woman try to forget what happened n try to move on rather than going to police station n fight long battles because legal system in our country is flawed. It's stressful n another torture for them for decades. It's more easy to forget n move on. 

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Originally posted by: Blueberry94

lol i wonder why Rani is in your un weird coz you diss her mostly if you don't like her fine just remove her from un



My user name is Sharaban, but I never even tried to taste it.

Never judge a book by its cover.

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Originally posted by: sharaban



My user name is Sharaban, but I never even tried to taste it.

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lol 😆 ok 

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Ummm and why should it matter to me what Vivek Oberoi said ? smiley3 I mean this comment seems to be at leasf 10-15 yrs old. Why are we bringing this up when big chance that now-mature VO himself will apologize for this comment. 

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Posted: 2 months ago
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I don’t know who you are but you are having Rani in your username and repeatedly demeaning her by comparing such an accomplished actress to a non actor like Ameesha. It says a lot about how much hatred you harbour for Rani out of spite and jealousy.In fact, you mentioned all hits of other actresses and very easily skipped mentioning Rani’s hits. You can’t put down Rani by highlighting the hits of another actress. That’s inane as every actress or actor has hits and flops. You mean Rani was not a star because she wasn't offered a thankless part like Ameesha had in the Gadar films. Basically judging an actor based on the films that were never offered to her. You seriously need some deep self introspection. I hope you want to be taken seriously.If you continue like this then you are bound to become the Kangana Ranaut of this forum.

Even in a film like Veer Zaara, Rani was the one who walked out with all the accolades.She would have done the same if Zaara was played by Ash instead of Preity because the character of Samiya was so powerful.She had the foresight to accept that supporting role knowing that Preity is in the lead.That’s her script sense , that’s her victory. I am sure Ash would not have accepted Rani’s role and that’s where her career fizzled. Rani in 2000’s was truly incomparable and this is done and dusted. The result is for the neutrals to see. Unfortunately as a fan of Ash, your viewpoints on a Bollywood forum like this will have no effect. What is done , cannot be undone. Rani is the only actress who received the best supporting actress and actress in the same year. The only actress who received best actress popular and critics in the same year.That time Filmfare was relevant unlike today. You cannot change that. Now how she did, whether she accepted others people’s roles or because of YRF, it simply doesn’t matter as her filmography is already made. What about the films Ash did and could not make them work? Umrao Jaan was a disaster, Shabd was a flop, Kyun Ho Gaya , Albela, Mistress of Spices, Dil ka Rishta , Kuch na Kaho ? Huge flops. Her performances in these films are also forgettable. These were the films Ash was doing in early 2000’s.Since you called Mangal Pandey a flop,it shows the Box office only matters for you and not the performance. That way Ash’s Chokher Bali and Raincoat were also flops. Why mention the films which she did not do. It was her shortsightedness and poor script choice that led to her downfall. In fact, if you scroll down Ash’s filmography on Wikipedia which I visited now, they are mostly flops.Add to that her inability to act and that artificial dialogue delivery which I am sure you have heard about if you are not living on Pluto. Rani on the other hand did parts which are so memorable and most of her films worked. Some at the Box office, some are remembered for the performances. Credit has to be given where it’s due. All these actresses were young and trying to make a career. All of them were hustlers. Even in a flop film like Mujhse Dosti Karoge, her character struck a chord with many. Just the other day, I was seeing a Reddit thread about Thoda Pyaar Thoda Magic; how much they love the movie even if its a flop; I stated a Reddit thread as I read you mention one to validate something else related to Ash on this forum. Today, maddock is backing Kriti Sanon because they believe in her talent. Just like Yash Chopra believed in Rani and signed her for Saathiya. She did not misuse the opportunities given to her but made the best use of them. It’s not that no one believed in Ash. Even Ash had Jazba after Aaradhya, someone believed in her just like YRF believed in Rani for Mardaani. Memes were made out of Ash’s acting in Jazba while Rani was brilliant in Mardaani. To put things into perspective, apart from all the other films she has done, one SLB’s Black eclipses all her contemporaries and even the ones who came after her. Barring Priyanka, no one even tried such a difficult character and Jhilmil could at-least see, hear and talk but Michelle could not do that also. I don’t see Ash, Preity or Kajol remotely close to playing that career defining role. They mostly have been safe with their acting. Never tried something unique or physically challenging. I would still give few points to Ash for learning sword fighting for JA. But Kajol and Preity? Kareena? They would have reduced that character to a caricature. 

Isn't it dichotomous that on one hand you are blaming Rani for accepting films which were offered to someone else and on the other hand lauding other actresses for doing the same? On one hand you are accusing Rani of getting all the YRF films unfairly and on the other you are saying that the same production house did not have faith in Rani to give her a film with SRK? I mean YRF gave her Central roles like Suhaani from Saathiya, Rhea from Humtum, Babli from Bunty aur Babli. She's the one who was the star attraction of those films and not the heroes of those films.Saif got his first solo hit with Rani. Abhishek was a flop till Yuva worked and we are all aware of the famous Abhi-Rani pairing which went south because Ash did not want him to maintain any relationship with Rani. That's nothing but petty insecurity. Today that marriage is in shreds. Yash C always envisoned Rani as the lawyer as she thought that role required a strong actress with certain gravitas. You cant shame her for not getting a part which was never offered to her. Rani worked with Srk in lead roles in Paheli, CC and KANK. If going by your logic, Mohabattein is a great part for Ash then Rani had a knockout role in KKHH where she was the first love and wife of SRK. Even Kajol was second there.

There's no doubt that Ash was a star but that Stardom did not translate into BO success. Like today, Shahnaz Gill is a big Star but no would turn up to see her films. There's a difference between a Star and a Star Actor. Ash was Star and Rani is still a Star actor. Something she earned by her acting prowess and work over the years. Today, no one would go to the cinema halls with Ash as the Solo lead expecting a good performance as people have lost faith in her talent. They always perceived her as someone stunning;so maybe a film has to be packaged to highlight her beauty like ADHM. Rani can make a film work based on the strength of her performance. That's the difference.

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Vivek is weirdo 

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Posted: 2 months ago
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Vivek's plastic heart dumped Rani for Ash. Maybe he thought that he deserved better than Rani.

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