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I finally figured out the thought process of the makers and writers behind the story of DEMSA. Why they are taking the path they are taking and what story they want to show, how the story is going to flow in upcoming episodes.

The story began with Salim acting rashly, without thinking and ending up in trouble. Like jumping in front of tiger without any weapons, going into the maze, running off by himself in the dessert etc. Akbar tried to be patient and hoped that Salim would learn to think before acting or believing someone blindly with time. Instead he found Salim in inebriated state on the throne. For Akbar that was the last straw. So he sent Salim to war fields hoping that Salim would outgrow his childish behavior and learn to become the ruler that he was meant to be, his successor and heir to the throne.

When Salim came back, he had become smart , intelligent and brave when it came to politics. He was able to outwit Daniyal and Murad when they try to get him drunk again, he wins the sword fight with them and is now such a warrior that he can face the tiger without flinching. But at the same time he resented Akbar for the punishment he received. He believed that he was treated unfairly. That Akbar should have explained his mistake to him and given him an opportunity to correct himself rather than punishing him.

Akbar was a king who felt an immense sense of respect and obligation for the crown. He was first and foremost an emperor who cared for the people of his kingdom than any personal relationships. It was the reason why he married Jodha, let her continue be a Hindu, kept good relations with his in laws, appointed Hindu's for various important positions in his court etc. He didn't think twice before punishing Salim because from his pov, Salim had desecrated his place of worship, he had tainted the sanctity of that throne by being drunk on that. What Akbar had wanted was for Salim to learn what being a crown prince and heir to the throne meant. He wanted Salim to respect the throne and what it represented.

Salim keeping his grudge misbehaved with not just Akbar, but everyone in the early days of his coming back. He is shown to pour water on Murad in front of the family, leave the dinner in the middle of eating, walkout from the court in the middle of celebrations organized in his honor etc. All these times everyone, especially Akbar forgave him without even Salim asking for forgiveness. In one of the scenes Salim lifts his fist and finds Akbar at the end of it. He walks away from there, but realizes that he was wrong. And he tells Jodha that he was wrong and shouldn't have done that. That he has now realized that both Akbar and Jodha love him very much. And what Akbar had done was just in it's own way. He still had some discontent, but was able to bury the hatchet and become the crown prince that Akbar always hoped him to be.

It is history repeating with Anarkali. She is like the wine. His judgment is clouded by her "love that he is no longer able to think straight. Just like with wine where he felt that what he did was not such a big deal where he deserved such huge punishment, he feels Akbar should not have given such unjust judgement of making her a rakkasa. Just like he took that anger with him to war field, he has taken rebellion with him this time. If he learnt to fight in the first time, now he will learn Akbar's might. As to how Akbar became an emperor and how he was able to rule over such a vast kingdom.

Just like how he realized that he had done wrong by drinking wine sitting on throne, he has to understand Anarkali was wrong for him. For that they turned her into a vamp in today's episode where she indirectly tells him that he should overthrow Akbar from the throne. She tells him that she will marry him only in open court where she was humiliated. That their wedding should be in public where the people are respecting her as queen. The only way this can happen is if Akbar is dead or captured. Just like how he kicks Abdul Fazl in his stupefied state, he will act rudely with Maan Singh.

Once the fight happens, Akbar is going to capture him. There will be similar repetition of Salim's behavior as when he first returned to Agra. Finally he will realize why Akbar was right and how Anar was not right for him. He will once again accept Akbar as the just father and emperor.

There is a limit to how much they can fictionalize history. They can show Salim loving Anarkali to the moon and back, even make him rebel against Akbar for that love, yet they cannot show him marrying her. They cannot show Akbar being killed by him nor losing to Salim. They also cannot show Akbar relenting and accepting Anarkali as Salim's wife and Mallika e hind. They have to keep some part of the history intact. They cannot change certain parts of history no matter what. And because of that the makers chose the current path of story telling.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Based upon what I recently watched ,due to my bad luck ,(I mean my sister is at home and she watches regularly) I was in shock seeing Anarkali turn into a real negative charecter. She Who pretended she bothered about Hindustan ,now asks Salim for a  marriage  in Akbar's court. How would it happen? Only when Akbar gets defeated by Salim! So she has no problem with father and son crossing swords for her. A real villain indeed. In comparison Maan Bai expressed concern before Rukhaiya about the forthcoming war. Never thought that The show's heroine will give such negative vibes.God save Shaheer from this hopeless fictional show.




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LMAO Anarkali is a vamp now?? So what does that make Salim? Innocent,naive fool who was trapped by Anar? I don't understand why Anar is negative when Salim himself is the root cause of all the problems?
He never did anything to convince Anarkali of his so called love.Rather he forced himself on her and left her no choice but to accept him.
Then he was the one who started the entire 'I will make you Mallika E Hind' rant and remained oblivious to the reality.He was the one who made empty promises without thinking of the consequences.

Salim is a clueless,confused and self obsessed guy.I don't think he cares for anyone.Be it Anar,Jodhaa or Akbar.He always does what pleases him and doesn't bother to consider others.Yeah Anarkali is a maid and a commoner.But isn't Salim the Crown Prince on whose shoulders the responsibility of the empire lies? It's not Anarkali's responsibility to think of the empire.It's his.He is a weak person and everything else is just an excuse to cover up his own weakness.Now it is Anarkali later it will be wine and later someone else.

Rather Anar's motivations make more sense right now.Not that I feel they are right but they do make sense.Anar was a naive girl who hopelessly harboured dreams which were fuelled by Salim himself.She never wanted to get into a relationship with him but she was forced to.Then eventually she became dependant on him to such an extent that she began to trust him above everyone else.What did she get in return? Extensive torture,abuse and humiliation.Any human being would be traumatised by this.She is right in her place to hold a grudge against Akbar for she was punished for a crime in which his own son had a greater hand.Anyone who has been tortured in such a manner would feel wronged and would wish to seek retribution.
It's always the common people who suffer due to the actions of the ones in power.So if they decide to give it back in kind then how are they the villains?I would have this Anarkali anyday over the extra mahaan abla naari Anar.

The root cause of all the problems right now or the actual 'villain' in other words is Salim himself.Everyone else is justified in their places.Be it Akbar,Maan Bai or even Anarkali.If the writers want to give this show a realistic conclusion then they should opt for the Mughal E Azam route.
Salim would be made to believe that Anarkali is dead but actually Akbar helps her and her khala to get away.Before leaving Akbar should speak with Anarkali and make her understand why he didn't want her to be with Salim.Anarkali should also realise her share of mistakes and let go of her bitterness and resentment to start afresh.
Salim can retrospect on his actions and their consequences and turn over a new leaf by mending his relations with Akbar.




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Originally posted by: Shaavi

I finally figured out the thought process of the makers and writers behind the story of DEMSA. Why they are taking the path they are taking and what story they want to show, how the story is going to flow in upcoming episodes.

The story began with Salim acting rashly, without thinking and ending up in trouble. Like jumping in front of tiger without any weapons, going into the maze, running off by himself in the dessert etc. Akbar tried to be patient and hoped that Salim would learn to think before acting or believing someone blindly with time. Instead he found Salim in inebriated state on the throne. For Akbar that was the last straw. So he sent Salim to war fields hoping that Salim would outgrow his childish behavior and learn to become the ruler that he was meant to be, his successor and heir to the throne.

When Salim came back, he had become smart , intelligent and brave when it came to politics. He was able to outwit Daniyal and Murad when they try to get him drunk again, he wins the sword fight with them and is now such a warrior that he can face the tiger without flinching. But at the same time he resented Akbar for the punishment he received. He believed that he was treated unfairly. That Akbar should have explained his mistake to him and given him an opportunity to correct himself rather than punishing him.

Akbar was a king who felt an immense sense of respect and obligation for the crown. He was first and foremost an emperor who cared for the people of his kingdom than any personal relationships. It was the reason why he married Jodha, let her continue be a Hindu, kept good relations with his in laws, appointed Hindu's for various important positions in his court etc. He didn't think twice before punishing Salim because from his pov, Salim had desecrated his place of worship, he had tainted the sanctity of that throne by being drunk on that. What Akbar had wanted was for Salim to learn what being a crown prince and heir to the throne meant. He wanted Salim to respect the throne and what it represented.

Salim keeping his grudge misbehaved with not just Akbar, but everyone in the early days of his coming back. He is shown to pour water on Murad in front of the family, leave the dinner in the middle of eating, walkout from the court in the middle of celebrations organized in his honor etc. All these times everyone, especially Akbar forgave him without even Salim asking for forgiveness. In one of the scenes Salim lifts his fist and finds Akbar at the end of it. He walks away from there, but realizes that he was wrong. And he tells Jodha that he was wrong and shouldn't have done that. That he has now realized that both Akbar and Jodha love him very much. And what Akbar had done was just in it's own way. He still had some discontent, but was able to bury the hatchet and become the crown prince that Akbar always hoped him to be.

It is history repeating with Anarkali. She is like the wine. His judgment is clouded by her "love that he is no longer able to think straight. Just like with wine where he felt that what he did was not such a big deal where he deserved such huge punishment, he feels Akbar should not have given such unjust judgement of making her a rakkasa. Just like he took that anger with him to war field, he has taken rebellion with him this time. If he learnt to fight in the first time, now he will learn Akbar's might. As to how Akbar became an emperor and how he was able to rule over such a vast kingdom.

Just like how he realized that he had done wrong by drinking wine sitting on throne, he has to understand Anarkali was wrong for him. For that they turned her into a vamp in today's episode where she indirectly tells him that he should overthrow Akbar from the throne. She tells him that she will marry him only in open court where she was humiliated. That their wedding should be in public where the people are respecting her as queen. The only way this can happen is if Akbar is dead or captured. Just like how he kicks Abdul Fazl in his stupefied state, he will act rudely with Maan Singh.

Once the fight happens, Akbar is going to capture him. There will be similar repetition of Salim's behavior as when he first returned to Agra. Finally he will realize why Akbar was right and how Anar was not right for him. He will once again accept Akbar as the just father and emperor.

There is a limit to how much they can fictionalize history. They can show Salim loving Anarkali to the moon and back, even make him rebel against Akbar for that love, yet they cannot show him marrying her. They cannot show Akbar being killed by him nor losing to Salim. They also cannot show Akbar relenting and accepting Anarkali as Salim's wife and Mallika e hind. They have to keep some part of the history intact. They cannot change certain parts of history no matter what. And because of that the makers chose the current path of story telling.

 

OK DEM reminds me of the movie Sanju(if ppl watched that movie you will understand what i mean). Every grave crime hero does is blamed on others.  

Here Salim forced anar to love him(Ok she loved him anyways not that she hated him), said yes to marry maan in court and than went to marry anar, hide his marraige plans with anar from Akbar and than he blames Akbar, Maan for everything. I think his blaming jodha is right shes a stupid lady has no sense of mother or empress responsibility at all. If Jodha had no hidden anar love from Akbar or Bhagwan Das and not let anar handle it so wrongly and not let this marraige proposal go ahead this public huminalition and war could be avoided. Even Salims marraige to anar was stopped by Maan and Ruqaiah not Jodha. I think Salim needs a few hard slaps from Akbar and showing him all big errors rather very big crimes he did hidding from parents everything. After all which parent will forgve a son secretly going and marrying a maid/dancer? when his marraige has already been fixed with his own consent in court. Is that not criminal and deceit. 

Salim was initially innocent and vulnerable as a child, he wanted his parents to love him and protect him but like all rich parents Akbar was busy in his empire building and Jodha well she never bothered to mother or guide Salim to be a prince let alone crown prince. If you observe Salim is like jodha  atwin copy of joda the same stupid nonsense emotional person. Jodha stands in front of tiger, gives up food, refuses to go home etc and Salim is also like her only ziddi and emotional rather stupid. Thats ok if you are a commoner but as prince you cannot be emotional or ziddi or stupid like a Salim is now. Salim has to let go zid for empires good, he has to let go emotions to do whats right for kingdom, he cannot be stupid like now because all citizens life depends on him. Hes the leader on whom 30-40 crore ppl depend(that time united india population was 30-40 crores). One wrong action and not only his life many other life will be at stake. 

Look at Salim, he trusted Daniyal and Murad and still trusts ruqaiah and darnk and sat on throne, Akbar punished him by sending to war. Has Salim ever thought even if he had not drank in another 3-4 years he would have been sent to war field. By 14-15 years majority mughal princes went for war training anyways. He just went 4-5 years early because he humiliated mughal throne thats it. Its like this some kids go to hostel in high school some go in college 5 years later. So why blame Akbar? 

Akbars error in sending Salim was to stop Jodha from sending him letters and vice versa. If Jodha and salim interacted thru letters Salim would not have been so angry at Akbar or his family.  Now he feels only anarkali bothers about him and loves him because she managed to send him letters and Jodha did not. 

Akbar has build the mughal empire from almost scractch what did he have hardly anything only a kabul, punjab and delhi may be. That too was not his, he had to fight many wars to build an empire. Salim has got that empire on a platter. Ok he has also gont to wars from 10 years of age but he had a loyal army and a father in case anything went wrong to save him, Akbar had Maham anga and Bairam Khan. Salim can blindly trust Akbar and Jodha, could Akbar trust Maham and Bairam Khan bilndly no not really. Because they were not his real parents. Salim canot understand value of not having anything to start from scartch and become richest and most powerful emperor on earth. Akbar understands that, thats why he values mughal empire so much. 

Salim is blindly thinking only anarkali loves him cares for him. He forgot his father walked 400 kms from Agar to ajmer sharif bare foot to pray for his birth. As a child least you can do is respect the father who did so much just to have him born in this world. But Salim is a bart child, he hates authority especially of his father. Hes always looking for ways to speak opposite of his father even if he knows its right. He tries to find faults where there are none. Salim knows that no matter what he does his father will not harm him so hes exceeding his limits every other day. Imagine instead of Akbar someone else is emperor and he says you cannot marry a maid will Salim react so brutally nope. Other than Akbar no one shows mirror to Salim from childhood all mollify him and he thinks evrything he does is right and everyone loves him. 

I doubt Salim will forget anarkali so easily. He will just compromise with situation as hes not more powerful than Akbar to get to throne and make anarkali Malika e hindustan now. He will wait till his father dies and get anarakali back and as she told him will marry her in court(nur jahan type). He will just remove anger of failed love on Maan bai or may be Abul Fazl etc who knows whom? or all of them may be??? Because he is not powerful to remove that anger on Akbar. So Salim will marry anar in future and make her mailka e hindustan for sure. But interesting part is anarkali, she will be like nur jahan after power who will destroy all his sons and force them to revolt by her power games. Already they are showing anarkali as controlling salim mind and emotionally blackmailing him to wage war against his father, to revolt, to marry her secretly when his marraige is fixed to Maan etc. I see traits of Nur jahan the shrewd ruler than anarkali a innocent persian dancer that mughal e azam showed in DEM anarkali. The way shes planning and plotting against maan bai and Akbar and challenging Akbar openly and also secretly telling Salim to marry her in secret while saying yes to marry maan bai in court she has all traits of nur jahan. Anyways Salim has told her you rule i will go to wars now only. So thats what she will do rule with iron fist and power games that will destroy mughal court and empire. She will remove Akbars grudge on Khusrau/Khurram/Parvez etc it will be interesting to watch part2 when anarkali returns as Salims wife actually. Luckily by than she will be in her mid 30s late to have an heir or Salims five sons would be killed off or let to kill each other so her child rules(nur jahans case). I am not sure what this serial will show when anar returns.  

I think Jodha is to be blamed heavily for the way Salim has been brought up. Shes never bothered to sit and talk to him whats right/wrong whats duties of prince etc. Salim is like a mowgli back in human world. Its his way or highway. Once he becomes emperor i wonder how he will use diplomacy to deal with enemies and frenimies etc its going to be tough with his thought process. Hopefull he grows up by then. 


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LMAO Anarkali is a vamp now?? So what does that make Salim? Innocent,naive fool who was trapped by Anar? I don't understand why Anar is negative when Salim himself is the root cause of all the problems?

He never did anything to convince Anarkali of his so called love.Rather he forced himself on her and left her no choice but to accept him.
Then he was the one who started the entire 'I will make you Mallika E Hind' rant and remained oblivious to the reality.He was the one who made empty promises without thinking of the consequences.

Salim is a clueless,confused and self obsessed guy.I don't think he cares for anyone.Be it Anar,Jodhaa or Akbar.He always does what pleases him and doesn't bother to consider others.Yeah Anarkali is a maid and a commoner.But isn't Salim the Crown Prince on whose shoulders the responsibility of the empire lies? It's not Anarkali's responsibility to think of the empire.It's his.He is a weak person and everything else is just an excuse to cover up his own weakness.Now it is Anarkali later it will be wine and later someone else.

Rather Anar's motivations make more sense right now.Not that I feel they are right but they do make sense.Anar was a naive girl who hopelessly harboured dreams which were fuelled by Salim himself.She never wanted to get into a relationship with him but she was forced to.Then eventually she became dependant on him to such an extent that she began to trust him above everyone else.What did she get in return? Extensive torture,abuse and humiliation.Any human being would be traumatised by this.She is right in her place to hold a grudge against Akbar for she was punished for a crime in which his own son had a greater hand.Anyone who has been tortured in such a manner would feel wronged and would wish to seek retribution.
It's always the common people who suffer due to the actions of the ones in power.So if they decide to give it back in kind then how are they the villains?I would have this Anarkali anyday over the extra mahaan abla naari Anar.

The root cause of all the problems right now or the actual 'villain' in other words is Salim himself.Everyone else is justified in their places.Be it Akbar,Maan Bai or even Anarkali.If the writers want to give this show a realistic conclusion then they should opt for the Mughal E Azam route.
Salim would be made to believe that Anarkali is dead but actually Akbar helps her and her khala to get away.Before leaving Akbar should speak with Anarkali and make her understand why he didn't want her to be with Salim.Anarkali should also realise her share of mistakes and let go of her bitterness and resentment to start afresh.
Salim can retrospect on his actions and their consequences and turn over a new leaf by mending his relations with Akbar.






Anar will definetly return in future to be malika e hind for sure(its more nur jahan storty than anar)

Anar is already controlling Salims mind like a nur jahan used to in history

Anar was never a naive girl. If she was naive she would never send letters to Salim without jodha or Akbar knowing about it against Akbars rules. Innocent ppl will not break rules or will inform before breaking rules. 

Anar was not forced to love Salim, she always loved him from childhood. She just was scared to confess because she was a maid. 

Anar was never dependent on him, she got over ambitious in love. 

When Salim says he will say no to marry maan bai and go and tell Akbar in private that he loves anar she said "Marry maan, you can marry many but still marry me in secret and love me". Is that not deciet and cheating or crime. Who put that thought in Salims mind? 

Salim could have told his father that he loves anar and cannot marry maan so this public humilaition of amer wala and maan bai in particular could be avoided. Its anar plan that led to this mess in first place. 

Jodha told anar to convince salim to marry maan bai. She did not say go and secretly marry Salim next day only. Thats deciet again actually crime.  

Even today if a person secretly marries another and publicly marries a woman law will support woman whom he married publicly not secrety affair. 

Anar must thank her luck that its Akbar, any other king would have cut off her head and ended matter there only. Akbar has lot of patinece to make her rakassa, let her learn dance for months and then perform in court. No sane man will do all that. Above that take salims revolt too. 

Somewhere i feel in mughal e zam movie or anarkali movie the heroines had innocence and audience rooted for them against Akbar. They were not scheming woman who wanted to be wife or malika e azam of salim. Neither salim promised to make them malika e azam etc. It was just innocent first love from both sides.  There was no maan bai too in those movies so even Salim looked right. Here both salim and anar look bad and villan than Akbar or Maan by their behaviours. Salim in mughal e azam and anarkali movies were innocent young princes who did not hold grudge on father. There salim never forced anar to love him in movies.That too worked for audience rooting for salim against akbar. 

Here in serial salim misbehaviour is start from beginning, hes not treating parents or brothers will love and respect. Anar is too scheming and wants to be malika e hindustan or wife over a maan bai/jagat gosain etc so no one likes the serial. The person who wrote this serial has no idae of 15th century or royals or society of those times. This serial characters behave like 21st century be it anarkali, salim, jodha or jillan. Thats biggest issue because audience came to watch 15th century serial not 21st century serial drapped as 15th century? Right from beginning audience cautioned by makers did not bother. 





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Anar will definetly return in future to be malika e hind for sure(its more nur jahan storty than anar)

Anar is already controlling Salims mind like a nur jahan used to in history

Anar was never a naive girl. If she was naive she would never send letters to Salim without jodha or Akbar knowing about it against Akbars rules. Innocent ppl will not break rules or will inform before breaking rules. 

Anar was not forced to love Salim, she always loved him from childhood. She just was scared to confess because she was a maid. 

Anar was never dependent on him, she got over ambitious in love. 

When Salim says he will say no to marry maan bai and go and tell Akbar in private that he loves anar she said "Marry maan, you can marry many but still marry me in secret and love me". Is that not deciet and cheating or crime. Who put that thought in Salims mind? 

Salim could have told his father that he loves anar and cannot marry maan so this public humilaition of amer wala and maan bai in particular could be avoided. Its anar plan that led to this mess in first place. 

Jodha told anar to convince salim to marry maan bai. She did not say go and secretly marry Salim next day only. Thats deciet again actually crime.  

Even today if a person secretly marries another and publicly marries a woman law will support woman whom he married publicly not secrety affair. 

Anar must thank her luck that its Akbar, any other king would have cut off her head and ended matter there only. Akbar has lot of patinece to make her rakassa, let her learn dance for months and then perform in court. No sane man will do all that. Above that take salims revolt too. 

Somewhere i feel in mughal e zam movie or anarkali movie the heroines had innocence and audience rooted for them against Akbar. They were not scheming woman who wanted to be wife or malika e azam of salim. Neither salim promised to make them malika e azam etc. It was just innocent first love from both sides.  There was no maan bai too in those movies so even Salim looked right. Here both salim and anar look bad and villan than Akbar or Maan by their behaviours. Salim in mughal e azam and anarkali movies were innocent young princes who did not hold grudge on father. There salim never forced anar to love him in movies.That too worked for audience rooting for salim against akbar. 

Here in serial salim misbehaviour is start from beginning, hes not treating parents or brothers will love and respect. Anar is too scheming and wants to be malika e hindustan or wife over a maan bai/jagat gosain etc so no one likes the serial. The person who wrote this serial has no idae of 15th century or royals or society of those times. This serial characters behave like 21st century be it anarkali, salim, jodha or jillan. Thats biggest issue because audience came to watch 15th century serial not 21st century serial drapped as 15th century? Right from beginning audience cautioned by makers did not bother. 






I completely agree with what you have written. Anarkali was NEVER a naive, innocent girl. She didn't just send letters to Salim against Akbar's order, she sent letters that were perfumed with Rose and Sandalwood. It became his favorite because he associated those scents with her. She led him on to believe that she was the only one who cared. One of the aspects of perfume is that it overpowers one's senses and takes over one's mind, just like long term alcohol or smoking. She is the one who created that blinding passion for her through her letters. 

If Salim was forcing her and she didn't like it, why didn't she tell Jodha or Akbar himself about it. Why did she hide it and act like she was being forced. She grew up in the palace but never acted as the maid. In the royal dinner that Jodha organizes on Salim's return to Agra, he tells Mahabhat to join the family and eat with them. Jodha extends the invitation saying, join. But he refuses saying this is my place, I can't and will not join you. Salim doesn't force him further and gets on with his eating. With Anarkali it was different. He didn't force her to love him, but forced her to "accept" her love for him. 

In the scene where he is leaving Agra because of the punishment, she goes to him and he says something for which she says "when you are older, you will realize what this feeling means". She loved him from her young age, when she met him, but was too scared to tell anyone. Especially since everyone kept telling her that she was a maid, something which she didn't want to accept. She always wanted the royal family to treat her as one of their own. And when they didn't she felt hurt.

I also agree that a naive person would not have plotted against Maan Bai. Maan Bai is not only shown to be obstinate and passionate, may be even egotistic, but she is also shown to be honest and truthful. Whether her like or dislike, she has been shown to express it honestly and never lie. Anar has been shown to lie easily and that is not the sign of an innocent and naive woman. She agrees to marrying him in secret even after knowing of what Akbar announced in court. If she was naive, she should have reminded him of that announcement and said that she is to be your first wife, not me. So don't do this. But she tells him that we should marry not only in secret, but hide that marriage. 

It is like this is who Anarkali was, but her true face is coming out now. 
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OK DEM reminds me of the movie Sanju(if ppl watched that movie you will understand what i mean). Every grave crime hero does is blamed on others.  

Here Salim forced anar to love him(Ok she loved him anyways not that she hated him), said yes to marry maan in court and than went to marry anar, hide his marraige plans with anar from Akbar and than he blames Akbar, Maan for everything. I think his blaming jodha is right shes a stupid lady has no sense of mother or empress responsibility at all. If Jodha had no hidden anar love from Akbar or Bhagwan Das and not let anar handle it so wrongly and not let this marraige proposal go ahead this public huminalition and war could be avoided. Even Salims marraige to anar was stopped by Maan and Ruqaiah not Jodha. I think Salim needs a few hard slaps from Akbar and showing him all big errors rather very big crimes he did hidding from parents everything. After all which parent will forgve a son secretly going and marrying a maid/dancer? when his marraige has already been fixed with his own consent in court. Is that not criminal and deceit. 

Salim was initially innocent and vulnerable as a child, he wanted his parents to love him and protect him but like all rich parents Akbar was busy in his empire building and Jodha well she never bothered to mother or guide Salim to be a prince let alone crown prince. If you observe Salim is like jodha  atwin copy of joda the same stupid nonsense emotional person. Jodha stands in front of tiger, gives up food, refuses to go home etc and Salim is also like her only ziddi and emotional rather stupid. Thats ok if you are a commoner but as prince you cannot be emotional or ziddi or stupid like a Salim is now. Salim has to let go zid for empires good, he has to let go emotions to do whats right for kingdom, he cannot be stupid like now because all citizens life depends on him. Hes the leader on whom 30-40 crore ppl depend(that time united india population was 30-40 crores). One wrong action and not only his life many other life will be at stake. 

Look at Salim, he trusted Daniyal and Murad and still trusts ruqaiah and darnk and sat on throne, Akbar punished him by sending to war. Has Salim ever thought even if he had not drank in another 3-4 years he would have been sent to war field. By 14-15 years majority mughal princes went for war training anyways. He just went 4-5 years early because he humiliated mughal throne thats it. Its like this some kids go to hostel in high school some go in college 5 years later. So why blame Akbar? 

Akbars error in sending Salim was to stop Jodha from sending him letters and vice versa. If Jodha and salim interacted thru letters Salim would not have been so angry at Akbar or his family.  Now he feels only anarkali bothers about him and loves him because she managed to send him letters and Jodha did not. 

Akbar has build the mughal empire from almost scractch what did he have hardly anything only a kabul, punjab and delhi may be. That too was not his, he had to fight many wars to build an empire. Salim has got that empire on a platter. Ok he has also gont to wars from 10 years of age but he had a loyal army and a father in case anything went wrong to save him, Akbar had Maham anga and Bairam Khan. Salim can blindly trust Akbar and Jodha, could Akbar trust Maham and Bairam Khan bilndly no not really. Because they were not his real parents. Salim canot understand value of not having anything to start from scartch and become richest and most powerful emperor on earth. Akbar understands that, thats why he values mughal empire so much. 

Salim is blindly thinking only anarkali loves him cares for him. He forgot his father walked 400 kms from Agar to ajmer sharif bare foot to pray for his birth. As a child least you can do is respect the father who did so much just to have him born in this world. But Salim is a bart child, he hates authority especially of his father. Hes always looking for ways to speak opposite of his father even if he knows its right. He tries to find faults where there are none. Salim knows that no matter what he does his father will not harm him so hes exceeding his limits every other day. Imagine instead of Akbar someone else is emperor and he says you cannot marry a maid will Salim react so brutally nope. Other than Akbar no one shows mirror to Salim from childhood all mollify him and he thinks evrything he does is right and everyone loves him. 

I doubt Salim will forget anarkali so easily. He will just compromise with situation as hes not more powerful than Akbar to get to throne and make anarkali Malika e hindustan now. He will wait till his father dies and get anarakali back and as she told him will marry her in court(nur jahan type). He will just remove anger of failed love on Maan bai or may be Abul Fazl etc who knows whom? or all of them may be??? Because he is not powerful to remove that anger on Akbar. So Salim will marry anar in future and make her mailka e hindustan for sure. But interesting part is anarkali, she will be like nur jahan after power who will destroy all his sons and force them to revolt by her power games. Already they are showing anarkali as controlling salim mind and emotionally blackmailing him to wage war against his father, to revolt, to marry her secretly when his marraige is fixed to Maan etc. I see traits of Nur jahan the shrewd ruler than anarkali a innocent persian dancer that mughal e azam showed in DEM anarkali. The way shes planning and plotting against maan bai and Akbar and challenging Akbar openly and also secretly telling Salim to marry her in secret while saying yes to marry maan bai in court she has all traits of nur jahan. Anyways Salim has told her you rule i will go to wars now only. So thats what she will do rule with iron fist and power games that will destroy mughal court and empire. She will remove Akbars grudge on Khusrau/Khurram/Parvez etc it will be interesting to watch part2 when anarkali returns as Salims wife actually. Luckily by than she will be in her mid 30s late to have an heir or Salims five sons would be killed off or let to kill each other so her child rules(nur jahans case). I am not sure what this serial will show when anar returns.  

I think Jodha is to be blamed heavily for the way Salim has been brought up. Shes never bothered to sit and talk to him whats right/wrong whats duties of prince etc. Salim is like a mowgli back in human world. Its his way or highway. Once he becomes emperor i wonder how he will use diplomacy to deal with enemies and frenimies etc its going to be tough with his thought process. Hopefull he grows up by then. 




@bold, this is the crux of this series. Salim not having the right understanding and jumping to conclusions based on what is told to him rather than think for himself. I think Akbar sending Salim to war field and saying no one is to send letters to him was not just done in anger. Akbar is not shown to just act in anger, he is shown to always keep his cool and take steps after thinking throughly.

When Maan Bai tells him of Salim loving Anar and his going to marry her at that time made him angry. Yet he did not show that in any way at any time. He answers her calmly and sends her away. Then too he doesn't rush to the dargaah. He waits for Maan Singh who was supposed to come, meets with him and then goes after Salim. Even in the dargaah, he immediately doesn't just start telling Salim that he knows everything and that he was there to stop that marriage. He just acts like he has no knowledge of what was happening there and sends away Salim. 

Akbar was concerned when Salim was pushed to dangers. In that Taimur baba dargaah where he first names her Anar, he did find that Salim could have lost his life easily. And that there is some conspiracy going on. The continued attacks on his life just made Akbar's doubts become deeper. He felt that if the palace was no longer safe for Salim. When he saw Salim drunk on the throne and misbehaving, he knew that there was someone who was misguiding him. He also realized that he cannot really protect him there since he doesn't know who is the one who is doing these things. That was his reason for ordering no one to have any communication with him. This way he felt that Salim would grow up safely and learn to protect himself. 

He as a king knew that there will always be those who will conspire against you, and it is you who have to learn how to differentiate between real and fake. Akbar knew whom to trust and with whom he needs to be alert. He trusted Maan Singh while knew not to trust Hakim Mirza. He wanted Salim to learn these skills in the war field.

Just because he ordered others not to send letters to Salim didn't mean he himself didn't receive reports. Every injury, every win, was reported to Akbar. He made sure that Salim was safe in the war field. He entrusted Maan Singh for the task.

It is Anarkali's letters that kept Salim's anger for Akbar alive. Her letters fueled his assumption that his father didn't care for him. If she had not written the letters, he wouldn't have been that bitter about his being sent away from family. He would have realized why he was sent and understood his father's care and concern. But that would have meant that he would not have considered Anar as his "friend" anymore. And she couldn't have that. She wanted that "relationship" with him alive and she went against the law to make it happen.
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@bold, this is the crux of this series. Salim not having the right understanding and jumping to conclusions based on what is told to him rather than think for himself. I think Akbar sending Salim to war field and saying no one is to send letters to him was not just done in anger. Akbar is not shown to just act in anger, he is shown to always keep his cool and take steps after thinking throughly.

When Maan Bai tells him of Salim loving Anar and his going to marry her at that time made him angry. Yet he did not show that in any way at any time. He answers her calmly and sends her away. Then too he doesn't rush to the dargaah. He waits for Maan Singh who was supposed to come, meets with him and then goes after Salim. Even in the dargaah, he immediately doesn't just start telling Salim that he knows everything and that he was there to stop that marriage. He just acts like he has no knowledge of what was happening there and sends away Salim. 

Akbar was concerned when Salim was pushed to dangers. In that Taimur baba dargaah where he first names her Anar, he did find that Salim could have lost his life easily. And that there is some conspiracy going on. The continued attacks on his life just made Akbar's doubts become deeper. He felt that if the palace was no longer safe for Salim. When he saw Salim drunk on the throne and misbehaving, he knew that there was someone who was misguiding him. He also realized that he cannot really protect him there since he doesn't know who is the one who is doing these things. That was his reason for ordering no one to have any communication with him. This way he felt that Salim would grow up safely and learn to protect himself. 

He as a king knew that there will always be those who will conspire against you, and it is you who have to learn how to differentiate between real and fake. Akbar knew whom to trust and with whom he needs to be alert. He trusted Maan Singh while knew not to trust Hakim Mirza. He wanted Salim to learn these skills in the war field.

Just because he ordered others not to send letters to Salim didn't mean he himself didn't receive reports. Every injury, every win, was reported to Akbar. He made sure that Salim was safe in the war field. He entrusted Maan Singh for the task.

It is Anarkali's letters that kept Salim's anger for Akbar alive. Her letters fueled his assumption that his father didn't care for him. If she had not written the letters, he wouldn't have been that bitter about his being sent away from family. He would have realized why he was sent and understood his father's care and concern. But that would have meant that he would not have considered Anar as his "friend" anymore. And she couldn't have that. She wanted that "relationship" with him alive and she went against the law to make it happen.


Hmm may be he may not have been so bitter because he would not know any info of agra 

Akbars idea is right not to send info from agra to Salim 

Its like this before if someone went abroad for studies etc even if family members die like parents/siblings info would be hidden from them why? Because they are alone abroad and may get very upset and stop studies or come back etc. Same thing akbar did, not tell anything about agra to salim because all bad/sad etc info will go to him and Salim may lose focus or get upset

Anarkali sent him letters about what happen in agra fort how his mom went and stood bef tiger how akbar never relent, how jodha sat hours in front of kanha and cried and did not eat etc. For a small kid of 10 years when he comes to now his mother undergoing so much pain for being away from her son Salim, it fosters hatred for father whose reason for mothers pain. More than his pain salim will be angry at pain jodha underwent bec of akbar for his sake. Thats why he says Akbar snatched his mother away from him. But he never think how much pain akbar underwent away from salim as father just bec akbar never cries or goes hungry and does drama in public like a jodha or anar hes not an emotional person or not good at emotional blackmail like these two. That hatred of father must have been fueled by anars letters about jodahs tears and akbars unrelenting before jodha to meet/write to him.

But actually who told anar to write him letters, its jillan her khalla. Somewhere anar was samll but jillan was mature and older why she encouraged anar to write to salim without informing akbar or jodha? Same way that blind baba who sent those letters are to be blamed too and so is Man Singh. Man singh was gaurdian for kid salim why he does not know about anar writing letters and stopped her? So many ppl are at fault. 

Anar should  have stopped writing letters once shes big like 13-14 years but no she continued letter writing all 12 years. Salim fell in love with that letter writer. because dubthe ko thinke ka sahara jahiye. Its like stockholm syndrome. Salim enters agra fort frst day thinking of anar kali rather than his parents. That means hes already being controlled by her thoughts because of her letters. 

Further anarkali sent him perfume the sandalwod and rose scent to associate with her. For 12 years salim got used to having that scent around. It became a practice to him like an alchohol or cocaine. Now he cannot live without that scent in his room or the girl who waers that scent anarkali. 

Today if you see anar emotionally blackmailed him so much that he burnt his hand. She went on saying i am rakassa send me back, even love can be brought for a price. You cannot understand my pain etc that way she emotionally blackmailing him to control his mind. So Salim went and burnt his hand and now anars nishani of burns will be in his hand forever, so he can never forget her even even if he wants too. Anarkali can give any big emperor even chanakya and birbal or tenali rama a run for their money in mind games now. Salim is her puppet now to be played with. Now even if akbar kills her or she goes away she will control salims mind through his burnt wound in hand. Shes ensured that now. Now salim can never be his familys akabr, jodha or maan bais or his other wives ever, anar ensured that today with her emotional blackmail and his burning his hand in response. 

This story is good but does not suit salim anarkali, it must be jehangir nur jahan there 

 

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Hmm may be he may not have been so bitter because he would not know any info of agra 

Akbars idea is right not to send info from agra to Salim 

Its like this before if someone went abroad for studies etc even if family members die like parents/siblings info would be hidden from them why? Because they are alone abroad and may get very upset and stop studies or come back etc. Same thing akbar did, not tell anything about agra to salim because all bad/sad etc info will go to him and Salim may lose focus or get upset

Anarkali sent him letters about what happen in agra fort how his mom went and stood bef tiger how akbar never relent, how jodha sat hours in front of kanha and cried and did not eat etc. For a small kid of 10 years when he comes to now his mother undergoing so much pain for being away from her son Salim, it fosters hatred for father whose reason for mothers pain. More than his pain salim will be angry at pain jodha underwent bec of akbar for his sake. Thats why he says Akbar snatched his mother away from him. But he never think how much pain akbar underwent away from salim as father just bec akbar never cries or goes hungry and does drama in public like a jodha or anar hes not an emotional person or not good at emotional blackmail like these two. That hatred of father must have been fueled by anars letters about jodahs tears and akbars unrelenting before jodha to meet/write to him.

But actually who told anar to write him letters, its jillan her khalla. Somewhere anar was samll but jillan was mature and older why she encouraged anar to write to salim without informing akbar or jodha? Same way that blind baba who sent those letters are to be blamed too and so is Man Singh. Man singh was gaurdian for kid salim why he does not know about anar writing letters and stopped her? So many ppl are at fault. 

Anar should  have stopped writing letters once shes big like 13-14 years but no she continued letter writing all 12 years. Salim fell in love with that letter writer. because dubthe ko thinke ka sahara jahiye. Its like stockholm syndrome. Salim enters agra fort frst day thinking of anar kali rather than his parents. That means hes already being controlled by her thoughts because of her letters. 

Further anarkali sent him perfume the sandalwod and rose scent to associate with her. For 12 years salim got used to having that scent around. It became a practice to him like an alchohol or cocaine. Now he cannot live without that scent in his room or the girl who waers that scent anarkali. 

Today if you see anar emotionally blackmailed him so much that he burnt his hand. She went on saying i am rakassa send me back, even love can be brought for a price. You cannot understand my pain etc that way she emotionally blackmailing him to control his mind. So Salim went and burnt his hand and now anars nishani of burns will be in his hand forever, so he can never forget her even even if he wants too. Anarkali can give any big emperor even chanakya and birbal or tenali rama a run for their money in mind games now. Salim is her puppet now to be played with. Now even if akbar kills her or she goes away she will control salims mind through his burnt wound in hand. Shes ensured that now. Now salim can never be his familys akabr, jodha or maan bais or his other wives ever, anar ensured that today with her emotional blackmail and his burning his hand in response. 

This story is good but does not suit salim anarkali, it must be jehangir nur jahan there 

 


Thanks for writing so beautifully. This is what I was thinking but couldn't get the words right.  ðŸ˜ƒ

I don't think Akbar will spare Anarkali's life even if Salim begs and promises never to meet each other. He no longer trusts Salim or his decision making capabilities.

I totally agree that, by emotionally blackmailing him she has consumed his body and soul. He is no more than a puppet in her hand right now. And even after her death, he will be consumed by her. I think that is when Ruqayya will give him wine and opium and make him like Devdas. ðŸ˜ƒ ðŸ˜ƒ
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Thanks for writing so beautifully. This is what I was thinking but couldn't get the words right.  ðŸ˜ƒ

I don't think Akbar will spare Anarkali's life even if Salim begs and promises never to meet each other. He no longer trusts Salim or his decision making capabilities.

I totally agree that, by emotionally blackmailing him she has consumed his body and soul. He is no more than a puppet in her hand right now. And even after her death, he will be consumed by her. I think that is when Ruqayya will give him wine and opium and make him like Devdas. ðŸ˜ƒ ðŸ˜ƒ


Ppl must not assume that i am opposing anarkali because she has class diff with salim

In mughal e azam or anarkali movie bef we rooted for anarkali over akbar by all means 

Because unlike this serial she was not a scheming woman 

Anarkali was not telling in movies that i want to be malika e hindustan or telling salim marry maan bai in court public but marry me in secret

Anarkali never had ambitions of controlling salims thoughts and mind in those movies

Here anarkali is playing games that too brillant mind games

Shes emotionally blackmailing him like a vamp wife in saas bahu serials of 21st century 

One moment she says i am rakassa next moment she says hand me over to akbar next moment she says i will marry in public in court only there is utter confusion who she is or what she wants and it looks like shes trying to emotionally blackmail salim against akbar and maan bai and mughal court 

And salim here is no salim of mughal e azam or even salim of anarakali movie 

Salim in anarkali movie was an innocent mam-papas teenage kid boy who never crossed his limits with akbar ever in public or private. He was even scared of man singh. 

Salim in mughal e azam was a mature practical person who was never over shadowed by anarkali controlling his mind or no anarkali could play mind games with him ever if she wanted too

Here salim is too emotional, i doubt even commoners will be so emotional or immature in reactions. Further hes too led by anarkalis mind games

Anarkali in both movies never tried to dominate over jodha or akbar the maid and master relatuion was maintained but here right from childhood anarkali isover ruling jodha and now her aunty jillan joined gang to make jodha raise sword on akbar what the heck? 

For rajputh woman is not pati parmeshwar? ok for all indian woman irrspective of religion in those times husband was lord and master and forget raising sword they wil  not raise voice or eyes against husband. But here is jodha raising sword at akbar. What will man singh say about this? First man singh should preach to his aunty jodha on her duties than to Salim and last to akbar. But man singh starts preaching to Akbar first. 

I think ruqaiah will save anarkali thru maan bai and later bring back anarkali to control salim as per her wish as khurrams maid 



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