Hmm!!! So that axe just fell!!!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Come one come all, lets tell you how this is going to go down...go ahead comment and die, but I aint gonna come back to reply...take it like a man.

DISCLAIMER: I know its hard at times, but reading skills assist in comprehension skills!!!

READ FIRST TO UNDERSTAND SO YOU CAN THEN FIND IT EASY TO REPLY!

How far has the concepts on desitv today have changed if you compare it to before?

There used to be really good content before but gone are the days when the importance was given to content, because of ratings the industry has lost integrity towards the story.

Content is manipulated by the "publics response of the week" due to this some shows become more popular than the good ones.

Popularity of a show doesn't mean that it is a good show. There are those producers who try to bring strong concept based shows.

But with channel interference, pulling rank and commercialism, they are getting lost in the crowd or conforming to peer pressure.

Note: Ekta Matha's hold on Star's shares today is a very nice pressure to conform to!

Content is King and if only Indian TV had the vision to understand the concept of The Writers Room.

Typical story structures have three Acts

Act 1: Set-Up - introduces the characters and also sets up the key dramatic question

Act 2: Call to Action - where actions take place around the key dramatic question. And usually there has to be one big confrontation between all primary participants

Act 3: Climax - the resolution of aforementioned dramatic question

We've been smack dab in the middle of Act 2

Act 1 would be longer, Act 1 established that Arjun has revenge on his mind; He had lost Nandhini the 1 thing that was most dear to him, he was also an orphan, so he was painfully alone...

And now we come to a key player in the story, Sam, everything that is revealed about her is that she is very much her own person, a girl who lives life on her own terms. She has thoughts, sentiments, a family and an altogether different life and personality. A quirky girl who gets along with all. Yet, there is possibly her bruised heart, the loss of her brother has hurt her immensely, the exile from her mother's heart crushing her, leaving her vulnerable where some unexplained pull makes her take that step towards Arjun. Yes she feels a pull towards him but she always pushes him away.

Then we get Radhika, remarkably insightful when it comes to Arjun, she just doesn't trust him, she understands that he is broken in the inside and lonely.

But she does not know what his reasons are for setting out to hurt Sam and in her eyes Sam doesn't deserve getting hurt by him or anyone for that matter (see PPT satyanash) and she continues being the obstacle in his way.
She desires, more than being independent, being the protector of her friend Sam. Radhika is very much the ideal friend, in that she is a BELIEVER - well-wisher, if you really mean it, you will get all your desires.

All characters switch sides as more information becomes available. And all of this new information results in actions that add further layers to this story, likely to make it more complicated than simplifying it. Because, lets face it, for this to be a truly rewarding experience for the viewer Samaira had to start trusting Arjun.

But then something happens again and causes everything to implode. Arjuns khulaasa, almost having Sam within his reach again but this time honestly, yet this distanced her from him again.

The final act of course resolves this issue. It not just give Radhika's faith in Sam meaning, it also gives Arjun the final redemptive freedom from a guilt that he has harboured for years and most importantly, be a triumph of Arjun's love for Sam. They have unfinished business and out of mere courtesy, she will hear him out.

If Sam and Radhika = Friendship in Act 1 and if Arjun and Radhika = Romance in Act 3 - then we have basically achieved nothing. So by Act 3 if Sam and Arjun is not established as the jodi with their own ORIGINAL BGMs et al, then it is not even a story. Even bad stories require a transformation; characters have to travel from one point to another.

And the most important of all: Content is king, and the most powerful story here is Sam and Arjun's past connection, that have layers unravelling every time you think 1 issue gets solved another crops up, it definitely overshadowed the small town girl making it big storyline.

It was beyond a bonus that Arjun and Samaira have incredible chemistry. The kind that is made of popular, iconic on-screen couples. The kind that gets etched into your mind and heart and is so hard to get rid of. The heart-wrenching, beautiful kind that makes you repeat-watch again and again.

Also its quite sad that you actually made yourself believe that Kashmira is the 2nd lead, SP chose not to focus on Sam because this was touted as such a modern tale with no deluge of saas-bahu rhona drona... due to the fact that the crux of the content revolved around the edifice of Samaira Khanna... the rest of these characters orbit around her...

I REMEMBER BRAINSTORMING WITH A COLLEAGUE OVER THIS..."Arjun had only ever thought of Sam and revenge against her, every story is connected and established through Sam, the touted independence of Radhika is catalysed by the very 1st scene where we get introduced to Sam 1st rather than the supposed main lead "Uh Miss Sehgal did hit the nail on the head when she stated that "it does give the feel as though it's the main lead" the story revolves around Sam, her family and her families company, Arjun wants revenge from Sam, his past is connected to her, Neil is Sam's BFF, Radhika is thrown into the mix coz she met Sam in Hrishikesh otherwise how would she have gotten any chance whatsoever to work at Birdsong, she would be still planning her wedding to Saral as we speak...

...yet this story has no substance if Sam walks away and leaves the path open for Arjun and Radhika's happily ever after, unless SP wants to shut shop so soon ie. OH WAIT THAT'S HAPPENING NOW! but wait for it...

Star Plus was hesitant of showcasing Sam as the liberated girl. Because! desi sanskaari type girls are still shown like damsels in distress! And society's ideas about women are still pretty backwards and sexist!

What is the definition of a liberated woman?

Liberation is often judged with attire and external attributes of a woman.

It's a very simple rule to life in today's world. For the rich, money buys everything. Literally. For the poor, you've got nothing but your honesty.

Sam is definitely a dignified woman. She felt insulted when Arjun demanded a date in exchange for the flat.

She has kept quiet so far because she still feels that she does not consider herself worthy of love.

Throughout the drama Sam has never disgraced herself.

Sam comes from an affluent family and is shown as free spirited, independent, she is not a snob but down-to-earth and understanding.

Isnt it so unfair that it is always shown that the rich are selfish, mean-minded and don't care about their family. While the poor girl is holier than thou, is of such good character only because of the way she dresses and is submissive/subservient, the Abla Nari types who makes the best wives. It's very annoying. MMZ just gave us a fresh view with this abla nari turning vampish all in the name of friendship!!!

And if you are going to crib about "their" BGM, why don't you ever pay attention ... "khwahishon pe likhi"

If everybody actually watched from the very first episode, this shows arc would make some sense.

at least 5 times "these creatives" gave you a hint...

This song is about self-discovery and understanding, the minute each character realises the truth about whatever it is that's troubling them

The 1st time EVER the song played was on Sam during the aftermath with her mother, when she was walking away from her

The 2nd time was during Radhika's dilemma about her engagement to Saral and discovering herself

The 3rd time was when Arjun realised that Sam is just an innocent bystander and is he actually doing the right thing

The 4th time Arjun acknowledges the animosity between Radhika and him and he will admit that her words have made an impact on his psyche, where he is rethinking his revenge strategy and his desire to hurt Sam.

The 5th time it's a realisation song again, when Radhika thinks of the way to ask Saral to let her go to Sam's engagement, it worked, she got to go nah

Its all in the details...

An important aspect is that we had seen quite a bit of the story from Arjuns's point of view, and that he has gotten a good amount of screen time... and the mystery surrounding his true identity had become a main plot point.

Some shows are made to be deliberately enticing to shippers, but for the most part, besides the establishment of SamArj, the rest of the relationships in this story were merely "heavily" suggested. This could be seen as a bit of cowardice to the writers, but a sympathetic view is it allows them to please many potential fans without alienating anyone else. It's what keeps the unwanted afloat, assures plenty of fun and allows for plotline flexibility.

On the other hand, this show already had established a pair who are more overtly paired off, usually two people the other characters admire and try their hardest to keep apart.

They might never have kissed even though intimacy is shared between them on screen or even flirt with other characters, but it's understood by the cast that the two are an item.

A lot of fans are rooting for this couple to get together. A lot. Way more than they are for any conceivable alternative. And it is not happening.

Writers and directors get a lot of demands made of them. Not only is there Executive Meddling, but once a show develops an audience, the fans will probably have their own ideas of what they want to see.

And sometimes the writer gets sick of it.

Writer Revolt happens when the writer gets sick of the demands being made of them, and subverts them. They might start their attack by sinking ships. But go too far and fans will stop supporting a show that attacks them, and that's the end of the writers' jobs. And sometimes this is what they wanted all along.

The writers were quite actually clever at the start of the Lonavala track with their intention of keeping SamArj apart very early in the game by putting other elements in their way and providing tension, they gave us a taste of SamArj, and then they just whet the appetite...

Combination of the TRP being inaccurate, twist in tracks not being good, rushed, and indecisiveness - but also majorly because the Indian audience didn't accept the show's urban setting even though it relates to their lifestyle; they still can't relate to it.

Thereafter, these poor writers just conformed to Fan Pressure and sunk their OWN ship!

And now Channel and PH have no other choice but concede defeat, Arjun & Radhika illicit no feeling of 'OMG they can be an epic romance' they just khana without masala, only food colouring...no sizzle, only fizzle.

yes! Sour Grapes will never agree!!!

She is old enough to see behind her but young enough to feel her soul. As the story progressed and Kashmira Irani as Samaira Khanna outperformed everyone, she established herself as the defining star of the show.

I have to congratulate Star Plus on the choice of Shilpa Agnihotri and her role as Nandhini in Manmarzian, I truly love her negative character, she is a pleasure to watch, not only is she stunningly beautiful, but her meethi choori act is so convincing that I can't help but root for her to win these little battles.

I have no further words to say about Shilpa Agnihotri, Kashmira Irani, Aham Sharma, Kavita Ghai, Mohan Kapur and Shravan Reddy, other than the fact that their acting talent is superlative.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sorry do not agree, in a gist what u are trying to say is simple, get arjun back with Sam then it would be better, sorry that's unacceptable to me. Sam arjun were never the end game.
Don't want to start a war again but this was also one of the main reason , shipper wars and some fans not being able to take it well , even on twitter, these handful of people were continuously tweeting Jaya , Mohan kapur, star, all people connected...

Took out the fun in watching the show a bit
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: tina59

Sorry do not agree, in a gist what u are trying to say is simple, get arjun back with Sam then it would be better, sorry that's unacceptable to me. Sam arjun were never the end game.

Don't want to start a war again but this was also one of the main reason , shipper wars and some fans not being able to take it well , even on twitter, these handful of people were continuously tweeting Jaya , Mohan kapur, star, all people connected...

Took out the fun in watching the show a bit


Their hard work will make their favorite actors jobless pretty soon.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well said... Several points make very good sense.
I too agree... The story revolved around Sam... Once she was taken out of the equation, the story crumbled... And ArDhika marriage was icing on the cake. They shouldn't have rushed it!


Edit:

I felt because Arjun and Sam had the past to connect them and were multilayered characters we would have got two beautiful journeys ArDhika and NeSam as opposed to one. I expected the journeys to take place gradually as all the characters find themselves.
Edited by angelpureness - 10 years ago
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Long post...
But sorry could not agree with the points...
Story,plots,couples,presentation,acting do they really work on Indian television...
The answer is a BIG NOOO...
only TRP matters and that's it...and only saas bahu sagas can fetch them...as major trp audience love that ONLY...

I am watching this show from day 1...so it was quite clear they wanted to show the journey of two girls of different mindset...It was absolutely free from irritating family drama...
It was quite clear to me after one month that this show won't last long cz trp of this kind of show won't match with trp of saathiya or diye bati...
Whosoever the couple was or is the fate would have been the same...I am feeling sad cz it will take few more decades may be for Indian shows to change...Its the fault of the production house for choosing SP for this kind of concept based shows...
SP did this before also with many shows not a new thing...

Lastly all the actors did awesome job...wish them all the best for their future...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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samaira is the best female female lead ever made
so unique,strong,independant,brave,relatable,inspiring with whom people can connect to it
she just conquered all the viewers heart
young girls started to relate to her she was an inspiration
sam showed how an character with flaws to have so much depth,strongness
no doubt sam is the hero of the show
even sam outdid the hero (here im talking abt characters not actors)
thats y shez appreciated so much and loved so much
kash did an awesome job no one could have justified sam as much kash did

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by the time I started to watch manmarzian serial all 4 are new to me...I don't know anybody before...this is the first time I am watching them...pairs are nice...radhika arjun,first time itself they attracted me.

Samaira and Neil are good in their terms.

in my view...whatever the situation now in manmarzian is because Cvs...if we r finding the flaws in the serial means,its all because of Cvs...they introduced the characters nicely but not able to take forward...

definitely ardhika is a life line for them to move forward...now the serial future is completely depends on the Cvs how perfectly they move the story forward...

my hope is because of fans pressure starplus will give few more months to end...looking positive

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🤣🤣why kashmira Irani is promoted like Sanaya Irani and Sam is promoted like kushi Kumari Gupta.. What if really Sam was a strong girl like radz then...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Blaming the actors personally for the low TRP's is a pretty mean thing to do. They're all trying their best to portray their respective characters.

I personally don't believe that Sam not being the lead or paired opposite Arjun has anything to do with the low TRP's. You said that 'fan pressure' contributed to ArDhika being paired, but if 'fan pressure' resulted in that then that must mean that the majority wanted ArDhika?

That being said, I find it quite surprising that SP is taking the show off air so soon. The shows been on air for 3 months or so and the TRP'S weren't low from the beginning so it must be a recent change. SP should chill and give DYM a chance to get back on its feet before making such a drastic decision. The show has a lot of potential and is actually pretty decent compared to a lot of other crap that's been on air for years.


Edited by GoldenPanda. - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I think it's hilarious how you all only want to see what is just on the surface and cannot read the core plot, I mean how did you learn Literature and Poetry in school. I mean I would hope we all were taught how to read between the lines right. Being able to read, write and analyze is a healthy outlet for surging emotions.

The point of reading between the lines is not to try to "solve" it. Still, that quantifiable process of demystification is precisely what we are encouraged to do. Its human nature to deconstruct.

What makes a skilful actor? An actor not only has to control voice but also body posture, facial expression and also memorize their lines and becoming a skilled actor is developing the ability to convey dramatic emotion.

On a purely practical level, understanding how any actor portrays there character allows you to understand their body language, tone of voice/articulation and projection, facial expressions and being able how to analyze it will make you appreciate it.

Watching and analysing any show is a form of human artistic expression, but also can also be confusing and perplexing because it is so multi-faceted.

Just wanting your ship to sail and the inability to deconstruct and comprehend shows your lack of skill.

a true artist understands content over commercialism...

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