Originally posted by: princessofkesar
oh please don't compare that incident here , nothing can be compared to it. , it was dark day.many people have made it just spicy issue to discuss rather than solving problem knowing the root cause and feeling for that girl.
coming to the main topic hereyou are expecting taps to resist under the influence of alcohol?do you know about such cases? i had mentioned in my first post.u know there are cases where males are punished of rape even after consensual relation wid women , if women had mis interpreted him as her husband under certain conditions eg alcohol intoxication etc.did u see wat i said in my first post?did i say i m missing yuvraj?that is y said u choose wrong post to discuss it.u did not watch many episodes post leap right?there was one episode where yuvi offers mukta drugged alcohol , but luckily she refuses.so imagine if she had drank it.same situation like rasya.mukta went wid yuvi n drank alcohol willingly.after drinking she was unconscious and did not resisted yuvi.she does not remember what yuvi had done to her and becomes pregnant.and later yuvi pressurizes her to marry.than wat u will lable it rape or not?if yes than rasya case is also rapeif no - than i don't have anything to argue wid you.hypothetically we can consider many things if we want. like if iccha had not come still mukta would have been saved , as yuvi just wanted to scare her...so lets not discuss hypothesis.just coz rathore is positive character , just coz taps was unconscious., just coz she accepted him after blackmailing , just coz the role is played by gud actor - it does not change the fact that rathore is rapist. he is.your are saying rathore is gud man yuvi is characterless.ok agreed rathore being a guy who made money on gambling is gud at heart , so ? that means he should be forgiven for what he has done?just coz taps was negative .. rathore can get away.so mukta was negative that tym , she had drugged meethi's drink.!i accept yuvi's fault at the same tym feel for his loveless childhood.his granny never showed him how to respect women , mai was the one who tried to defame mukta, whereas yuvi asked for forgiveness.mai is worse than him.and rathore such gud man , y he had to spoil taps under the influence of alcohol.so if crime done under influence of alcohol can be pardoned?
Originally posted by: rasyafan
If we take a lot of things hypothetically then there is a lot we can argue about but I am not going there for me the case is black and white on the following basis.
LIke I said before, the difference between the two cases is quite clear
firstly, and the consensual nature of the two cases makes both different just as Raghu was drunk then so was Tapu. She did not cry rape whereas Yuvi was drunk and Mukta was not drunk and she did cry rapeso my question is tom if two frns have drink together , and girl loses her sense in alcohol , does that means the guy can take advantage of her. offcourse both scenarion are different , but crime is same.she was not in senses to say no - that means it is yes?
The second scenario being that no body was there to witness the crime in Raghu Tapu's case but Yuvraj's own mother Ichchha witnessed attempted rape done by Yuvraj
so just coz no witness is there it is not rape? so if iccha had not come and witnessed the crime yuvi should not be termed rapist ?Third scenario Raghu and Tapu did not have law involved where as in Yuvraj's case law was involved to punish Yuvraj for rapeoh so tapu should have filed case? exactly that is wat i m trying to say, this is a fiction show.firstly tapu was not even aware of wat has happened to her.2nd to save veer rathore blackmailed her to marry3rd she accepted him only after realising that there is no one else to support her. it was her majboori.she took tym to accept the fact that it is rathore's child.if this was reality , that girl would have defo complainted.u know mukta was ready to withdraw case ,for icchaso if law was not involved that was not rape?
Fourth Rape was declared in Yuvraj case and tthere was no case of rape where Raghu and Tapu are involved
sad rathore never got punishment
Fifthly Tapu invited Raghu in her room to celebrate and was very much aware that she was accepting alcohol from Raghu whereas Yuvraj lied to Mukta and lead her to his room with intention to take revenge and to RAPE.u mean tapu called her ragu to have intimate relation?oh god many guys misinterpret girls. inviting for party does not mean she is interested in that guy in that sense.
yuvi also thought mukta was interested in him , just coz she came wid him late nite , asked for his help and loved to pampered by his gifts.Sixthly , you said just becasue Raghu is +ve character but then he is a positive character in Uttaran and very very protective of his loved ones and Yuvraj is a -ve character and whom does he protect and care does he care about Mai who loves him so much or Amla who cares for him so much and always behaves affectionately towards him her step son and Daddaji and His dada umed his father his mother does he feel any emotions towards anyone in his family and if he loves Mukta does anyone who loves someone would behave like an animal the way he did with Mukta...I don't think Mukta did him any harm to make him behave like a wild boar...
When has Raghu behaved that way towards Tapsya that way and he loved Tapsya and respected her and alwasy behaved as if she is a princess even with so many faults alwasy guided her with love
Ha you compare him with Yuvraj on what basis ...Raghu even cared for nani who he knows to be very very cunning and alwasy gave her his respect and his servants his dai jaan his parents in law he was always protected towards his loved ones always respected no matter what position or what status...Even Ichchha and Veer even after Veer threw Tapu out with his daughter on a rainy night not once he blamed Veer or had a fight or bad mouth him
Raghu was always against enemies who might harm his wife and his child anyone would be. Are all these traits of a -ve person?
Tell me when has Yuvraj gven his respect to anyone in his life ...lol raghu is positive character and yuvi is multishaded character.yuvi is rude , arrogant , does not know to respect and he has huge ego, he never got proper upbringing.he always yearned for true love , and behaved that way just to hide his weakness so he is not vulnerable to others.but raghuvendra pratap being a positive n responsible character should not have taken advantage of taps.if he really loved her , he should have proposed her n married her.not blackmailed her after raping.regarding rasya love story , lol cvs planed them as couple.so wat even we want yuvi to turn positive and take care of mukta.he will be turned positive , he always showed some gud shades hidden between his negative behaviour , for that you have to watch all episodes wid yuvi. yuvi always had a soft n hard corner for mukta ,he was possessive about her too.surprisingly inspite of so much gudness , tapu still divorced rathore y?
There is no comparison between the two just because he is young and handsome I am not crazy about him
Raghu is not criminal but Yuvraj has a criminal mind with psycho behavior and criminal tendencies that is what Uttaran has shownyuvi is not crimial minded but he is bigdale rahizaada, i m just waiting for his rentry , probably than you will understand his character. if the role is not played by srj i m not even interested to watch this show.just answer thishere was one episode where yuvi offers mukta drugged alcohol , but luckily she refuses.so imagine if she had drank it.same situation like rasya.mukta went wid yuvi n drank alcohol willingly.after drinking she was unconscious and did not resisted yuvi.she does not remember what yuvi had done to her and becomes pregnant.and later yuvi pressurizes her to marry.see ur basic point to say rathore is not criminal coz tapu never resisted , there was no court case and he married to her.so if there was no court case coz mukta withdrew it for icchama sake and married yuvi.and later situation if yuvi turns positve and really loves mukta after marriage.than wat u will lable it rape or not?if yes than rasya case is also rapeif no - than i don't have anything to argue wid you.your answer will end the discussion.evidence of no signs of resistance does not mean it was not rape.i can enumerate u different cases.if taps had filed case, ragu would have been punished.but she was too busy in veecha's life , by the tym she realized wat had happened to her , she had lost everything. and no one would have supported her.where as in case of mukta , she turned positive and people came to help her and she was aware of the crime against her from day 1.scenario are differentbut crime is same but outcome was differentone got punishment for attempt and other inspite of doing rape his crime was justified by showing his marriage to taps.ps - i like rathore , but never support wat he did to tapsno wonder wen she was about fall from cliff wen tej failed brakes of her car , she remembered mukta jogi veer iccha but not rathore.rathore is just a father of her child.until rasya union happens , i have to wait n watch wat exactly tapu feels for him.
Originally posted by: princessofkesar
so exactly wat i mean is taps rape case was turned into favour of rathore by cvs.
wat is shown in ut was not correctand there is no fault of taps hereshe never told rathore that she wants to sleep wid him.she had lost her senses , and could not say no .so rathore escaped punishment but yuvi got,that does not mean rathore is not a rapist .imagine if it was reality , all guys would do that.take ur frn to party , intoxicate her , rape her and than blackmail her to marry.rape against consent even done on one's wife is raperape on prostitute is rapei don't understand wat u mean by tapu 's fault here?so basically ut never showed logical things no wonder i never liked it.watching only for sree n saurabh.if they create a scenario where mukta herself bails him out , to save meethi n iccha and marries him. later on yuvi turns positivethere should be no problem ,coz worse than this are accepted by audience.i m just supporting a pair of my fav actors wid awesome chemistry.
Originally posted by: rasyafan
you answered that correctly Tapu lost her sudh coz she was drunk which she knowingly had from rathor even asked for more and which is why she slept with rathor and did not report to the police which is why Raghu never got declared Rapist that menas he was not
whereas Yuvraj attempted to rape mukta which mukta reported to the police she was not drunk that is why he got jailed and declared rapist
you answered that yourself
.lol wat is this if mukta had lost case yuvi will be not termed as attempt to rapist,if so than every1 would have prayed mukta to loose as yuvi would never got blot on his character.btw yuvi has attempted rape , he did not rape muktawhereas rathore raped taps , and escaped punishment from law.still he is rapisthe should have told jogi to turn him upside down and punch him too.b4 wat he did to yuvi.yuvi got all the punishment wat he deserved , infact much more for attemptand in ut murders like vishnu n tej are freerathore rape case is turned into his favour by increasing negativity of taps\nani never gets punishment.so y u think yuvi got punishment?it is just to start his reformation , his character was scarificed just make his mom mahaanotherwise yuvi has not done a severe crime. other than stupid mistakes.nothing compared to taps.if people have accepted taps after all this,no probs to accept yuvi.
Originally posted by: princessofkesar
i don't want other illogical things to discuss
so wat if taps drank alcohol?u mean if modern girl drinks alcohol wid her frn and looses her sense and than her male frn takes her advantage it is justifiable?illogical part was taps did not complained.wrong mentality , oh she wears moderns dress , she drinks alcohol , she gave me frnly hug , she invited me at her house , she had many boyfrn , she is cheap girl this r lame excuses by man to justify rape.i support yukta but never supported wrong doing of yuvi.even if taps was gf of rathore , he had no ethical right to have intimcy wid her as basic factor consent was lacking here.she could not resist coz she was not in her senseotherwise raping mental retarded child , disabled people , small children will be not considered rape as they are not aware of wat is happening to them or unable to resist.
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