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I'll be honest. I'm a person who loves stories. I'm also a person who likes shades of love stories if they emerge...and is absolutely okay with it when they don't, as long as the story captures my imagination and makes me think about the issues it raises. I love even more when a love story is sketched such that I feel it's still tied to the story and the theme, and isn't just a love story for a LI's sake. When the heroine doesn't simply take a look at the arrogant hero doing a nice deed in secret and go head-over-heels in love...but has that love grow over a series of things that lead them to know each other well, I leap for joy. When a male romantic interest for the heroine has better things to think about than how to make the heroine in love with him, and the heroine develops a friendship with him at her own comfy pace, I fall flat for them already. Or maybe that's just me.

In this case, I love RaghavI as a couple mainly because I sense so much freedom in that relationship. The CVs never forget that Sia is stuck in a victim mode, and will be so for a long, looong time (except for the times when they make her a mahaan heroine who wants to solve everyone's problems 😆) and is therefore - while naive - never able to blindly trust men, at least, the way she once used to. For some time the question remained as to what it meant when Sia eventually found herself clubbing Raghav with the main women in her life -- Geeta, Komalika, Alka...how was she able to trust this man so strongly? I think it's because she's had her chance at mistrusting him and thinking the worst...and to Raghav's credit he has never once forced his presence/friendship/feelings on her.

It also lies somewhere in how her impressions of Raghav compare with those of Viraaj's -- and I say this because Viraaj is the benchmark on which she measures men. Her fear of all men springs from the implicit suspicion (confirmed further by what Mr. Awasti tried to do) of 'well, this man seems nice, but so did my husband when I first met him and look how that turned out.' In Viraaj's case, the mistake she made was in automatically assuming that he was a wonderful man from the very start...which she does only because she wants to believe that he's as good a person as he looks. Within that relationship, he breaks that trust, after which he cuts back all her options, so that eventually her only choice (if one can call it that) is to either stay, or risk her life and sanity trying to escape. In short, I think he forces her to accept him, rather than treating her as an individual in her own right, with a choice (of course, given his background this is how he views all women, as lesser beings who should be kept in control lest they betray you...examples being how he answers the other battered wife he briefly encounters in Delhi). The relationship there is clearly a hierarchy, and even when he does gain her trust, it is through an illusion that compells her to believe he has changed -- in my opinion another method of coercion. In short, her trust in him is never earned, only her obedience. Even in the ML track, that cycle repeats given that even this time he's creating an illusion to make her believe that he has memory loss, and that without his past he's a different person. An act he'll drop as soon as they are alone together in Manali ('no more Mr. Nice Guy', anyone?)

Jhanvi measures Raghav on that benchmark and begins by seeing Raghav as untrustworthy, even dangerous. She starts out thinking the worst of him, and Raghav at this point is too busy in his own problems to really bother doing anything differently. That's what I love...that whatever steps are taken towards any level of trust are ultimately her own, taken because she wants to take them. When he breaks into the Awasti house to return her phone, he doesn't do anything more than return it...but her realisation that he was genuinely trying to return it only emerges when she goes to the fruitseller herself and confirms...ergo, her own choice to find out whether this one incident can really challenge all the things she has seen him do already. When he tells her to fight against the gundas herself he is still the one giving her a push, and he is still the one to end the fight, but it still gives her a chance to gauge for herself her own inner strength and that a person like Raghav believes in self-empowerment. Even when he arranges her ashram stay, he is firm about her not knowing. For me that's always meant that if they are to remain friends it should be because she chooses to, rather than because he wants her to.

And I love the fact that she doesn't have feelings for him even now...that her feelings are still strictly platonic. I'd like to believe that if/when Sia does have feelings for Raghav, it will be through her own free will and because she feels she is completely ready for a relationship. I like that the CVs are still building a solid foundation (Krish, the punching bag, Jhanvi keeping herself safe by staying mum -- NOT her trying to fix the Singh family's complicated relationships)...because I feel by the time there is any relationship of any sort she will be sure of being an equal in the relationship.

Raghav's feelings for her do complicate things, but how they have developed him was instrumental to me in their story as much as Jhanvi's development has. He's seen her as she is -- a person paralyzed with fear -- and has, prior to their developing any sort of friendship, just dropped advice whenever he sees her facing a problem. I don't think he's ever really taken for granted that she might like him back...because for him his focus is that she would have a roof over her head, safety -- which he, rightly, thinks she lacks, and doesn't exactly have the means to attain (given that all her certificates have been burned and that she has very little recommendation for a job besides the women who grow to trust her and give her a job on that basis...like Alka and Gayathri, and she hadn't stayed long enough in the ashram to start out a small endeavour of her own like some of the other women did) and a chance to fight for herself...a chance she takes only on occasion probably because she takes a looong time to feel ready to do so, and because her confidence levels are abominably low. End of the day, the endpoint of whatever they have between them is that one day, when she's ready, she will be free from the cage she's built for herself.

Yep, that's what I love about them 😊

PS: If there was just one thing I'd change...it would be that I'd like to see more of Jhanvi as a person, more of how her thought processes develop -- look at the progression of yesterday's punching bag scene where she goes to that room on her own and slowly, simmeringly...starts feeling betrayed and hurt and angry and frustrated...no Raghav urging her and telling her, no Geeta urging her to leave, no Komolika urging her to start over, no Alka or ashram didi telling her to develop her strengths. Just her, a punching bag and her own boiling-over pot of emotions...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

How was she able to trust this man so strongly? I think it's because she's had her chance at mistrusting him and thinking the worst...and to Raghav's credit he has never once forced his presence/friendship/feelings on her.

In short, I think he forces her to accept him, rather than treating her as an individual in her own right, with a choice (of course, given his background this is how he views all women, as lesser beings who should be kept in control lest they betray you...examples being how he answers the other battered wife he briefly encounters in Delhi). The relationship there is clearly a hierarchy, and even when he does gain her trust, it is through an illusion that compells her to believe he has changed -- in my opinion another method of coercion. In short, her trust in him is never earned, only her obedience. Even in the ML track, that cycle repeats given that even this time he's creating an illusion to make her believe that he has memory loss, and that without his past he's a different person. An act he'll drop as soon as they are alone together in Manali ('no more Mr. Nice Guy', anyone?)

Jhanvi measures Raghav on that benchmark and begins by seeing Raghav as untrustworthy, even dangerous. She starts out thinking the worst of him, and Raghav at this point is too busy in his own problems to really bother doing anything differently. That's what I love...that whatever steps are taken towards any level of trust are ultimately her own, taken because she wants to take them. When he breaks into the Awasti house to return her phone, he doesn't do anything more than return it...but her realisation that he was genuinely trying to return it only emerges when she goes to the fruitseller herself and confirms...ergo, her own choice to find out whether this one incident can really challenge all the things she has seen him do already. When he tells her to fight against the gundas herself he is still the one giving her a push, and he is still the one to end the fight, but it still gives her a chance to gauge for herself her own inner strength and that a person like Raghav believes in self-empowerment. Even when he arranges her ashram stay, he is firm about her not knowing. For me that's always meant that if they are to remain friends it should be because she chooses to, rather than because he wants her to.

And I love the fact that she doesn't have feelings for him even now...that her feelings are still strictly platonic. I'd like to believe that if/when Sia does have feelings for Raghav, it will be through her own free will and because she feels she is completely ready for a relationship.
I don't think he's ever really taken for granted that she might like him back...because for him his focus is that she would have a roof over her head, safety -- which he, rightly, thinks she lacks, and doesn't exactly have the means to attain.
PS: If there was just one thing I'd change...it would be that I'd like to see more of Jhanvi as a person, more of how her thought processes develop -- look at the progression of yesterday's punching bag scene where she goes to that room on her own and slowly, simmeringly...starts feeling betrayed and hurt and angry and frustrated...no Raghav urging her and telling her, no Geeta urging her to leave, no Komolika urging her to start over, no Alka or ashram didi telling her to develop her strengths. Just her, a punching bag and her own boiling-over pot of emotions...

There is a quote that comes to mind whenever I think of Jahnvi in relation to Raghav and his significance in her life. It's taken from one of my favorite paranormal/dystopian novels called Shatter Me.
"Hope is hugging me, holding me in its arms, wiping away my tears and telling me that today and tomorrow and two days from now, I will be just fine. And I'm so delirious, I actually dare to believe it."
In this case, I see Raghav as the Hope.
MAROON: That is part of what sets him apart from V. He has never forced his emotions, his love, on Jahnvi nor does he expect anything from her. He loves her from a distance. I find that his love for Jahnvi is selfless whereas V's so-called love for her is selfish.
RED: Precisely, Biz. V forced himself on Jahnvi, physically and emotionally. However, I've no issue with a hierarchy in a husband-wife relationship as long as the husband does not, at any point, abuse his power over his wife. But indeed, V never earned Jahnvi's trust nor her love. He only ever managed to frighten her enough to make her obey him.
PURPLE: Yes, Biz. Indeed. Raghav never changed for her, nor did he expect her to alter her persona for him. And whatever friendship is blossoming between them now is due to her allowing it to blossom, not because he's haunting her steps and forcing it upon her.
ORANGE: I think that she has a long way to go yet. But yeah. Whenever it happens, I will want it to happen because she is mentally and physically prepared for a relationship with him, not because it's forced on her or some manipulative plan of V's. Plus, I want her with Raghav only when she can offer him love in return. Because he deserves happiness and love.
GREEN: Exactly. It never crossed his mind to do what he did because he wanted to earn her love/trust. He did it because she needed help and because it's in his nature to help. It seems enough for him that he can be in her presence and converse with her, encourage her to move forward, and watch her take those small steps toward living life.
BURNT SIENNA: Word, Biz. I wish that they would've spent less time on suspense and Double V drama and focused more on Jahnvi's character development, so that we could have followed her thought process and had more scenes like the punching bag ones.
Thank you for such a beautiful post on a boring Saturday, Biz 😳
Edited by Elysia - 14 years ago
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i'll get back to this on monday...coz i need to ponder over ur post...aaram se i'm back😃😃😃

Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

I'll be honest. I'm a person who loves stories. I'm also a person who likes shades of love stories if they emerge...and is absolutely okay with it when they don't, as long as the story captures my imagination and makes me think about the issues it raises. I love even more when a love story is sketched such that I feel it's still tied to the story and the theme, and isn't just a love story for a LI's sake. When the heroine doesn't simply take a look at the arrogant hero doing a nice deed in secret and go head-over-heels in love...but has that love grow over a series of things that lead them to know each other well, I leap for joy. When a male romantic interest for the heroine has better things to think about than how to make the heroine in love with him, and the heroine develops a friendship with him at her own comfy pace, I fall flat for them already. Or maybe that's just me.

its not just u biz...its most of us here😆😆😆😆
for me...raghavi started with the idea of hc as raghav😍...i had seen the romantic side of him in quite a few shows...and wat actually made me look forward to this was the idea of hc's character wooing a girl who has shut herself from the world...i wanted to see how it would turn out...
but...wat i got to see was something out of this world😍...the way this relationship has developed...is the beauty of their story...😍...there has been no formal"omg i love u" thing as yet...but one look at them...and u know they r made for each other"😍
In this case, I love RaghavI as a couple mainly because I sense so much freedom in that relationship. The CVs never forget that Sia is stuck in a victim mode, and will be so for a long, looong time (except for the times when they make her a mahaan heroine who wants to solve everyone's problems 😆) and is therefore - while naive - never able to blindly trust men, at least, the way she once used to. For some time the question remained as to what it meant when Sia eventually found herself clubbing Raghav with the main women in her life -- Geeta, Komalika, Alka...how was she able to trust this man so strongly? I think it's because she's had her chance at mistrusting him and thinking the worst...and to Raghav's credit he has never once forced his presence/friendship/feelings on her.
word biz...the other day wen raghav's voice too echoed in her ears along with all the other women who had helped her at one point of time...it was such a relief to see that sia had drawn a conclusion abt him...a conclusion which was very very different from wat she thought abt other men...deep within her heart...she knows...raghav is different...there is something abt him which makes him stand apart in the crowd...and that something makes her trust him

It also lies somewhere in how her impressions of Raghav compare with those of Viraaj's -- and I say this because Viraaj is the benchmark on which she measures men. Her fear of all men springs from the implicit suspicion (confirmed further by what Mr. Awasti tried to do) of 'well, this man seems nice, but so did my husband when I first met him and look how that turned out.' In Viraaj's case, the mistake she made was in automatically assuming that he was a wonderful man from the very start...which she does only because she wants to believe that he's as good a person as he looks. Within that relationship, he breaks that trust, after which he cuts back all her options, so that eventually her only choice (if one can call it that) is to either stay, or risk her life and sanity trying to escape. In short, I think he forces her to accept him, rather than treating her as an individual in her own right, with a choice (of course, given his background this is how he views all women, as lesser beings who should be kept in control lest they betray you...examples being how he answers the other battered wife he briefly encounters in Delhi). The relationship there is clearly a hierarchy, and even when he does gain her trust, it is through an illusion that compells her to believe he has changed -- in my opinion another method of coercion. In short, her trust in him is never earned, only her obedience. Even in the ML track, that cycle repeats given that even this time he's creating an illusion to make her believe that he has memory loss, and that without his past he's a different person. An act he'll drop as soon as they are alone together in Manali ('no more Mr. Nice Guy', anyone?)
no commrnts😆😆

Jhanvi measures Raghav on that benchmark and begins by seeing Raghav as untrustworthy, even dangerous. She starts out thinking the worst of him, and Raghav at this point is too busy in his own problems to really bother doing anything differently. That's what I love...that whatever steps are taken towards any level of trust are ultimately her own, taken because she wants to take them. When he breaks into the Awasti house to return her phone, he doesn't do anything more than return it...but her realisation that he was genuinely trying to return it only emerges when she goes to the fruitseller herself and confirms...ergo, her own choice to find out whether this one incident can really challenge all the things she has seen him do already. When he tells her to fight against the gundas herself he is still the one giving her a push, and he is still the one to end the fight, but it still gives her a chance to gauge for herself her own inner strength and that a person like Raghav believes in self-empowerment. Even when he arranges her ashram stay, he is firm about her not knowing. For me that's always meant that if they are to remain friends it should be because she chooses to, rather than because he wants her to.
thats wat makes him diff naa biz...he is wat he is...be it infront of her...be it behind her...i at times feel...the fact that raghav gave her that respect as a woman...maybe was the first point from which she started trusting raghav...till date she had met men...who did not regard her more than a piece of flesh which could be used as per their will...it was raghav who made her realise that she was a human like any other person...and had the right to take her decisions...think and decide wat was good wat was bad for her...
the fact that raghav did not for once ask her y she complained against him(mind u sia had no idea abt him saving the girl) showed that he respected her decision...the fact that he actually gave her freedom...forced sia to guage him differently!

And I love the fact that she doesn't have feelings for him even now...that her feelings are still strictly platonic. I'd like to believe that if/when Sia does have feelings for Raghav, it will be through her own free will and because she feels she is completely ready for a relationship. I like that the CVs are still building a solid foundation (Krish, the punching bag, Jhanvi keeping herself safe by staying mum -- NOT her trying to fix the Singh family's complicated relationships)...because I feel by the time there is any relationship of any sort she will be sure of being an equal in the relationship.
biz...raghav knows she does not have any feelings for him...and he saw that in her eyes in sunday's epi...i'm sure...he'll not be doing anything which might oblige sia to develop feelings for him!

Raghav's feelings for her do complicate things, but how they have developed him was instrumental to me in their story as much as Jhanvi's development has. He's seen her as she is -- a person paralyzed with fear -- and has, prior to their developing any sort of friendship, just dropped advice whenever he sees her facing a problem. I don't think he's ever really taken for granted that she might like him back...because for him his focus is that she would have a roof over her head, safety -- which he, rightly, thinks she lacks, and doesn't exactly have the means to attain (given that all her certificates have been burned and that she has very little recommendation for a job besides the women who grow to trust her and give her a job on that basis...like Alka and Gayathri, and she hadn't stayed long enough in the ashram to start out a small endeavour of her own like some of the other women did) and a chance to fight for herself...a chance she takes only on occasion probably because she takes a looong time to feel ready to do so, and because her confidence levels are abominably low. End of the day, the endpoint of whatever they have between them is that one day, when she's ready, she will be free from the cage she's built for herself.

Yep, that's what I love about them 😊
me too😊
PS: If there was just one thing I'd change...it would be that I'd like to see more of Jhanvi as a person, more of how her thought processes develop -- look at the progression of yesterday's punching bag scene where she goes to that room on her own and slowly, simmeringly...starts feeling betrayed and hurt and angry and frustrated...no Raghav urging her and telling her, no Geeta urging her to leave, no Komolika urging her to start over, no Alka or ashram didi telling her to develop her strengths. Just her, a punching bag and her own boiling-over pot of emotions...

u know biz...
there is a lot more sia needs to fight...than just her fears...
for me...i want to see a very very gradual; development of this relationship...
even after sia has confessed her feelings for raghav...i want her to share each and everything with raghav...i want raghav to be by her side as she recalls everything...lets those haunting memories ease out...with raghav by her side...his shoulders where she can rest ...his hands in her hands...😍
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😳...will reply 2morow 4 sure...🤣
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Nothing more to add...u have beautifully summed up everything 👍🏼 n this has been exactly the same reason for me to fall in love with RaghVi...😳
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I updated my comment 😳
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Sab reserve kar ke bhaag gaye kya? 😆
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LOL, Chandu, aaja. Tu bhi aaja madaan mein 😆 Reserve kar le.
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The post is so good that you have to think what to reply so taking time sabar kar 😆
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Granny, your ancient fingers are just typing too slowly 😆

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