I've been thinking about this topic for quite sometime now. It came up when I was reading The Lost Symbol (Dan Brown). People who've read it will probably understand my fascination for this particular topic. The book talks a lot about Noetic Science, which is basically the relationship b/w the human mind and science. Along the way, spirituality also comes into play.
So, basically, I just wanted to discuss ur views and ideas on this topic- the connection b/w sci and mytho, the presence of mytho in sci and vice versa.
This is a really HOT Debate topic. I once went for a debate competition-Science and spirituality go hand in hand. ( I was "for" the motion) What are your views on this?
So, plzz post ur views and lets see if we can come to some conclusion...Have fun debating!!!
I am with you Asha. I will be with you along the discussion sometime in future depending upon how it flows and what I have to give in as my input at appropriate place. I haven't read any English book on this topic but I have read one book called 'Vaishwik Chetna - Cosmic contact' which is the compilation of wide range of topics of different books and their possible interconnection and harmony such as Panchtatva science (tatva saadhana and composition of nature of different kinds in terms of different proportion of 5 elements), 7 chakras, subtle body (sookshma sharir), Swaroday shaastra (naadi vigyaan), Praanaayaam, Pendulum, Reikie, mudra vigyaan, Telepathy, science of mantras, types of speeches, sankalp shakti (willpower) and even astrology. Panchtatva and Swaroday are the most interesting of all and Panchatatva vigyaan is in fact vigyaan referred to in Geeta also (of course Pranaayaam too referred but that is something very commonly known now as practice but the process going inside is better understood through this harmonized knowledge of variety of topics) and also explains the TATVASIDDHIS which mythological characters were having through control over different elements - abilities of flying, changing form, shrinking, expanding, increasing or decreasing weight, disappearing etc. Modern science can't have the reach of actual science which is spiritual science only. But science of chemistry, physics, biology, astronomy all are present in mythos and epics I believe.
Edited by ShivangBuch - 2011-03-11T07:53:20Z
ohh...that was really interesting Shivang. I agree with you on the score that modern science couldn't have developed w/o spiritualism and that sci is an integral part of mythos and epics. For that matter, even sci is based on assumptions( axioms) and all the theories have been derived from them. But, those assumptions are precisely just assumptions and they probably have their roots in epics and mythology.
Modern science can't have the reach of actual science which is spiritual science only.
I agree with you 100% Bhaiya!
For me, modern science definitely contributes to our development but I find it limited i.e there is only so far it can go...where as spirituality(definied as things concerning the spirit- that vital principle or animating force within living things) has no limits. It is above and beyond limits because knowing the Absolute Almighty God in that intimate way is equal to knowing/fathoming the entire of creation.
The science that exists in Mythoes is far more developed of should I say far more 'complete' than modern science can hope to be.
do read dis guys............... its regarding our vedas n their relation to modern scientific theories
Science in Vedas
core foundation of Hindu belief is that Vedas contain source of all
knowledge – physical or metaphysical. However in last 100 odd years,
this belief has come under scrutiny due to the advances that modern
science claims to make.
An entire group of Vedic 'experts' have
stood up to prove that Vedas contain early man theories and are not
compatible with modern discoveries. These include communist historians
propelled by commentaries on Vedas by western indologists like Max
Muller, Griffith et al and a new breed of intellectuals who initiate all
research with assumption that 'old means defective'. However in modern
era of religious marketing, another group has come up which would go to
any length to discover scientific errors in Vedas. This is the group
which would want 800 million Hindus to lose faith in Vedas and their
religion and embrace what they believe is the final message of God. Yes I
am referring to Islamic and Christian evangelists.
these groups of evangelists are propelled by vision of making everyone
in world a follower of their respective Holy Books, the situation is
even more desperate for Quran zealots. This is because a bulk of Islamic
evangelists believe that Jesus will come again towards end of the world
after which they would reach Paradise forever. And an important sign of
Jesus' coming is conquest of India. I do not know the original source
of this superstition, but this remains a primary motivator for most
Islamic evangelists today.
Thus every now and then, we would see
references to 'Scientific Errors in Vedas'. The typical pattern would be
english translation of some mantra followed by a Veda Mantra reference.
For example "Earth is flat" – Yajur Ved 32.8
reference and English translation are both pointing to sources best
known to authors of these works. But for layman, these create a lot of
confusion and doubt over relevance of Vedas. While I would shy away from
thrusting my personal faith on Vedas, I would like to provide some
excerpts from Vedas that provide clues to deep scientific concepts
hidden within them.
Unfortunately, due to thousand years of
slavery, burning of our universities and libraries by barbarians and
then demands for tackling issues of survival first, there remains a lot
of work to be done to rediscover the Vedic sciences. However, sufficient
clues exist to justify why this rediscovery would be worthwhile. In
this article, I shall provide some brief snippets of such clues.
point of note: Vedas not being dogmatic in nature and containing
eternal truths, do not try to spoon-feed us. Thus Vedas would contain
seeds for all forms of knowledge and would urge humans to explore
further. Because in the Vedic framework, its our efforts that can
provide us bliss.
You can refer to original mantras at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org
now read these original mantras explaining d present day scientific theories
MOTION OF EARTH
Rig Veda 10.22.14 "This
earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the objects
over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun.
In this mantra, Kshaa = Earth (refer Nigantu 1.1) Ahastaa = without hands Apadee = without legs Vardhat = moves ahead Shushnam Pari = Around the sun Pradakshinit = revolves
Rig Veda 10.149.1 "The
sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them
around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself
holding their reins."
In this mantra, Savita = Sun Yantraih = through reins Prithiveem = Earth Aramnaat = Ties Dyaam Andahat = Other planets in sky as well Atoorte = Unbreakable Baddham = Holds Ashwam Iv Adhukshat = Like horses
Rig Veda 8.12.28 "O
Indra! by putting forth your mighty rays, which possess the qualities
of gravitation and attraction-illumination and motion – keep up the
netire universe in order through the Power of your attraction."
Rig Veda 1.6.5, Rig Veda 8.12.30 "O
God, You have created this Sun. You possess infinite power. You are
upholding the sun and other spheres and render them steadfast by your
power of attraction.
Yajur Veda 33.43 "The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction."
Rig Veda 1.35.9 "The
sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies
in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of
Rig Veda 1.164.13 "Sun moves in its orbit which
itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of
attraction, because sun is heavier than them.
Atharva Veda 4.11.1 "The sun has held the earth and other planets" LIGHT OF MOON
Rig Veda 1.84.15 "The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun"
Rig Veda 10.85.9 "Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter "Sun ray" to Moon."
Rig Veda 5.40.5 "O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light (moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness."
"SCIENCE OF BUILDING SHIPS AND AIRPLANES"
Dayanand has detailed Mantras regarding these in his Vedic commentary
and Introduction to Vedas" (1876). The scientists of IISc concluded that
the mechanism of airplane as suggested by Dayanand is feasible. The
first manned plane was built 20 years after death of Swami Dayanand.
verses are difficult to translate in English here, but readers are
advised to review "Introduction to Vedas" by Swami Dayanand or
interpretations of following mantras: Rig Veda 1.116.3, 1.116.4,
10.62.1, 1.116.5, 1.116.6, 1.34.2, 1.34.7, 1.48.8 etc.
SCIENCE OF TELEGRAPHY
Rig Veda 1.119.10 "With
the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic
apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for
efficient military operations but should be used with caution."