25 jun 09: big things, little things, page 5 - Page 8

Originally posted by: huzie12

So i guess no one is pherfect😳

😆 koi shaq? if prem's not, then who can be?? 😆

I soooooooooooo hope Prem is faking😃😃I really really want to believe you😊

well, ... i'm gonna wtf on this... 😆

And FYI...the next part will be up tomorrow😳😃

where? where??? *looking around and sighing 'cause i can't find the update... *

Damn the world,Premeer-Are-One😍For now...and for ever😍

😍 yeaaaaa...😍

Originally posted by: ts9787

Even through all of their screams and accusations and tears, they were one. I'm just so amazed at the intensity that HC and AG used to do the scenes. They were AMAZING! 👏

yup, totally awesome. *whistling approval just 'cause i can. 😆*

I hope they keep Ash positive because we already have gaali-ma as negative. I can't wait until Prem finds out the truth. (I hope they finally do show him finding out the truth, not like the Veera truth that never came out.)

well, the ash hope got ... dashed, no? 🤔 it wasn't unexpected, imho. but yes, i totally need for these truths to come out too. and too many people know 'bout witchface's ''truth'' for it not to come out, no? but after reading the article on the show post-tls, i wonder why have they chosen to have a distance of 6 years before we get to see the characters again?

One thing that really got me was in the pre-cap, Lalit says "you know how much Veera wanted to say, but never got a change..." WHY oh WHY didn't he open his mouth before? Why is he always giving bhashans at the wrong time?

*sigh* he's ... big mouthed lalit juneja. and notice he hasnt really opened his mouth ''now'' either, no? that gaali-maa is still talking to vitchface in her head...

Originally posted by: Soaps1

What did he get in return?

All his life ... In short he has been cheated by every single person he loved or trusted in his life.

And when finally he came to know yesterday the heer his love his life lied to him ... The one person he thought can never lie to him ...did Lie to him ... He just lost it ... He lost his sense to differentiate between right and wronng

🤗 hey soaps. i kinda agree with you on this stuff. prem was a mass of built up explosive feeling. 'xcept for two things, i think:

first, i don't think prem has been cheated all his life - he's had a pretty terrific life. it's only after he came back to india and heer came into his life that his troubles really started. i think his family has worshipped him all through -- harman and vitchface doubting him on the wealth thing was just once, no? but otherwise, (other than vitchface) he's been placed on a pedestal? i have a feeling that this pent up feeling was largely 'cause of heer -- no one else really gets to prem like heer does.

second, even if he was cheated by everyone -- which i don't think is true -- prem is not the kinda person who'd notice and begrude his family anything. so, his explosion yesterday was not - imho - 'cause of years of feeling bad. imho, it was the most recent months and his feeling miserable at heer's misery and evasiveness. and his feeling guilty that he was responsible. the thought of heer with someone else was a spark on a tinder pile of just that time, i think. and 'cause it's 'bout heer, prem burns.

But that does not make me feel any better ... you know Heer can survive without Prem ... but will Prem ever survive without Heer ?

er.. heer survive without prem? so far, she has always had prem, soaps. this is the first time that she is ''without prem'' -- 'cause she now thinks that he wants and ''is with'' someone else.

and of course, prem has survived without heer. he was the one staying away from her during the gaurav sharma mother-needs-me hip-hop prem phase, no? and this time, he is the one who ''knows'' the prem-heer-are-one, that heer loves him so much that she will not be able to stay away. heer, poor heer, doesn't even know that, no? 🤔

Not to mention all the filth of yesterday has totally shattered my poor heart 😭

like i wrote to someone else, with other couples, this intensity of explosion usually happens over a long time of fighting and squabbling and hating each other. these explosions come only when ordinary couples seriously despise each other -- imho. with prem and heer, it was an explosion that came out of nowhere, no hint, no sign, just there one moment without any early warning system at all! it was not filthy -- it was obliterative. the words coming from any other guy's mouth would have been insulting. from prem, it was just his own hurt, his own anger, his own blood -- he was insulting heer! prem-heer-are-one ka heer. he was insulting himself. it was not filthy for prem or heer. that was just blind love, hurt badly on both their parts. it was not filthy. other people could've been filthy. prem heer are hurt. 🤔

Originally posted by: hope08

How were the mangoes. Isn't it torture enough that we have to see our beloved Prem and Heer at each other's throats that you come with vivid description of the food you have been having in the past few days!! first the six course dinner and two desserts and now mangoes!! Not done!!

heh. the mangoes were bloody brilliant -- given that they had travelled so far! if you must know, they were deseeded, not skinned, just quartered and then sealed into a large thermos packed in a thermacol box with those thermacol packing peanuts! was quite brilliant... 😍

But somethings I couldn't agree with. Like Prem visualising Rajveer and Heer together and Heer being more hurt about her self respect than the fact that Prem mistrusted her. She was more concerned about the fact that he insulted her in front of people. That was so unlike Heer.

i think that heer was freaked out that prem didn't trust her, no? she was freaked out enough 'bout it when they confronted each other on nihaal's arrest. she freaked out now -- those lines about ''it is not i, it is your thoughts'' was all about his lack of trust in her? and ya, i was a little taken aback at her saying that to prem. but didn't think she spend that much time on it, no? prem ... prem was at his tether's end, i think. all those days wondering why heer was not talking to him, but talking to rajveer. and ... i think all those nights seeing heer's tears but not doing anything about it must have been been a build up of negative energy for him, no? i don't think prem can handle a build up of negative energy too well... remember the sanjana days? he skulks around heer, trying to get a grip on himself, but in the end is the one who explodes. same thing here? wasn't it funny how when there is suspicion about heer with a guy, prem explodes. and when there is suspicion about prem with a girl, prem explodes? 😆 prem.... 😆

She didn't much differently either. She gave it back in the same coin, right? And she has no right to talk about Prem creating a scene she pushed him to do that. If she didn't start this whole lying thing he wouldn't have been in this state.

so, at the cost of being repetitive -- here where i disagree as i said earlier. i think he's in this state only partly 'cause of those lies. i think making heer miserable through nihaal had a large part in it. and of course, it was not correct for prem to have created the scene -- whatever she did, prem ought to have had more control. but this is prem with heer -- we know he can't take it. she knows he can't take it. i guess she was expecting that he would have had at least what kind of control she had? but this is prem! about heer! 😊 but ya, her not clarifying for him -- in public! in the same place of his accusations?! that was not ... right.

HC thing: He managed to convince me that he was an absolutely devastated lover and husband who is completely broken. I don't know what else to say but it was superb acting.

AG thing: she really held her own against him. Esp when they were both screaming into each other's face. I loved how she moved from utter shock to utter disgust in a few seconds. She has done a very good job.

yup. they were brilliant. contrary to what a lot of people appear to say about hc and ag's acting, i think they are both equally brilliant. contrary to what i used to think earlier, about her having some natural inborn ability - which somehow i think he doesn't come with - now i think differently. now, i think that ag's just totally willing to learn how to do this stuff from anybody, anywhere. she is totally cool.

HC-AG thing: Seriously these two together take the scenes to a totally different level, don't they? Once again how do these two do it? How can all this not affect them one bit? How can they be so immune to each other?? How? I guess i'll never know.

😆 i agree with you. and yup, that's why i never go there and wonder... what i think about how this cannot affect them -- i think they've really cracked a nice way to be friends and laugh outside of the scene. and i think it helps that both of them sound really grounded by all accounts. there doesn't even seem to be the usual pr-self-marketing gimmicks that lots of other actors seem to have with them. that for them, it's just a job? i'm glad they have that attitude, though. they come across as terrific people.

Yest you replied to me that Prem and Heer will be angry with each other but there won't be any hatred. I thought you were right but after watching the episode I realise that no. It will be hatred that will keep them going. They two wil hate each to death because they love each other to death.am i making any sense?

😆 you still think so? me? i still think it was just hurt. and they will not ever hate each other. be mad at each other - yes. hurt each other - yes. but i think that prem-and-heer hating each other is as alien as ... my loving them!! 😆

BTW don't you think the story is somehow coming back to where it all began with a few changes of course.

ya... agree with you on this. and personally? i wish it didn't. i wish i could see a story where prem-heer and their prem-heer-are-one-ness just moved forward instead of doing the ''begin at the begine'' thing. but *sigh* i'm not writing this story.. c'est la vie. i just know that i'm happy to be w&w... 😆

Originally posted by: anoosree

when it comes to love, i always believe that TRUST comes first then LOVE follows. i dont think we can love a person whom we dont trust or who doesn.t trust u. I think premheer love started with the Trust, that they were meant for eachother, to be with eachother for ever even b4 they met or fell in love.

hmmm. well, i'm not an expert on love or anything. or what comes first, the chicken or the egg. but i always got the sense that love -- between guy and girl -- was one of those intangible things that was spontaneous. and if you mix in stuff like prem-heer-are-one's togetherness being true from the time they are born, then all the normal notions of what comes first, the chicken or the egg, must be questioned, no?

my understanding about love between a guy and a girl comes from reading a heck of a lot of love stories by authors across several ages. from watching a few of them in my life. and trying to figure out what i'd like if i ever had (the darned) misfortune of falling in love. 'cause it looks waaaay complicated, no? 😆

in all honesty, i wasn't sure what i wanted. but one thing that i do know? prem and heer's story has changed some of the notions that i started with.

for me, this has been watching an incredible love story. where-ever it is that it started from, to where-ever it is that it has stopped just now. it is .. unique. new. something that has stuff that has never been done before.

i like this love story.

So can u love somone whom u dont trust and when u dont trust & love someone UNCONDITIONALLY, then how can they BE ONE.

on trust, i think i have a little more experience. i think there is a difference between love and trust. trust is a call that you end up making on a particular situation. i trust my mother on making the best curd rice in the world. i trust my mother on her understanding of subjects like maths being important for the rest of my life. i trust her understanding of the power structure between men and women in rural north india vs. south india. but i do not trust my mother on fixing my modem. or what kind of shoes that i need to have. or that i have to choose one thing rather than take everything i want! 😆

does that mean that i can no longer love her? i don't think so.

i agree -- i'm being silly and simplistic here. but i think trust changes from situation to situation -- but love? love is constant.

was heer correct in not pushing prem to tell her about sanjana? after all, if she had bugged him for the story, he would've told her. she trusted that he would tell her -- but he didn't except after she wore that blue sari, simply 'cause kooky chachi wanted to cause mischief. in the end, it all worked out -- but it was all very ... chance-y, no? not a good way to build a life on love. *sigh* maybe i don't understand that much about trust either. is just htat i think love and trust are different, and should be treated as such.

me? i don't know that anything i have seen so far that tells me that prem-heer-are-one is broken -- even after everything these two have been through. even if their belief in each other's honesty or judgement is shaken. just mho...

Originally posted by: -athena-

*gibes a squishy hug until she promises to pass on all the mangoes to me*..

heh, heh. keep on dreamin' rakph. i'd give you prem before i give you any of my mangoes! 🤣 *and this way, i get all the hugs i want too!! i ish shmart... 😆*
I hope you didn't get offended with my comment about you being in denial....😔.....
haaaaaa!!! i was offended! my poor heart was hurt! how could you, rakphaaaaah??!! i thought you were my friend. but you turned out to be my foe!!! dost-dost-naa-raha!! waaah! *that's me crying lots of tears*

i-thwack! *that's an imaginary smack for you on the top of your head! 🤣*

stop thinking like that or i'll consider giving you a real thwack! 😆

I said that because I didn't find any trust between Prem and Heer......but heart in hearts always knowing that they love eachother...Is that the kind of oneness you were talking about too??

er.. yup. er... i just confessed and made an attempt at thinkin' 'bout this in my reply to anoosree. i think trust is a one-time thing, no? something that is driven - and demonstrated - in situations. love (and i think, faith) otoh is more like a constant underlying thing? argh, i think i'm getting all garbled trying to put it.

but here is what i think: i think everything -- trust, love, faith -- are ephemeral, intangible things. i think all of it requires work to keep going. i don't think one event can remove faith forever. after all, people who deeply believe in a divine being, trust that the being takes care of them, looks after them. and yet, horrid things can happen to them. but their faith and their love in the divine being keeps going? in the end, i think all of these are in the human heart. i think people choose to believe, to have faith, to love. which comes first, the chicken or the egg? i dunno. which breaks first and vanishes, the chicken or the egg? dunno that either! 😆

but one thing that is certain, i think to me. love can come out of nowhere. love doesn't have a reason. i think that faith and trust are things that are built up more on -- but not entirely -- on reason. just mho. but how can something that is an ... ehsaas is a good word for it, get broken or vanish 'cause of something that has a standing in the head?

and i think that is ultimately the magic that prem and heer have created -- at least for me. in the end, watching the show on friday, what i found out was that where i should've been as angry as heck (if it was my reasoning that came in) i was watching with a darned goopy smile on my face. i was ... feeling it more than i was thinking about it. so, your statement about my being in denial might well be true -- if i could just understand what ''being in denial'' meant. 😆

I agree Heer should've explained...but the wrost thing to me is how she put the whole blame on Prem alone.....and didn't even look into herself once.....

just as prem put the whole blame on heer alone? prem-heer-are-one, rakphooh. if nothing else, the darned show has just kept showing how alike they are. it is really getting difficult to figure out where one starts and the other ends! 😆

You said Heer kept the Prem-Heer are one all along....Ouch...what about Prem then??He was the one who kept it together during Heer-Manmeet days...he was the one who kept it together during the recent Heer-G3-Sameer-Rajveer quadrangle...no?

oh ya. i actually said that muckmeet was the only time that heer has ever questioned the existence of prem-heer-are-one - in a vague and fuzzy way. 'cause even then she was fully aware that for her, prem was someone who she'd give away her life for! 😆 and no, there was nothing for him to do in this gaali-maa-setup. he did what he was supposed to do. she did was she was being compelled to do. in fact, i've always said that prem keeping quiet and not pushing heer to be more open with him -- why didn't he?? what was he blooming well afraid of??? the duffer! -- was a mistake. if he'd just spoken before the whole thing went out of hand, both of them could've handled whatever the demon was that prem could see heer struggle with, together!

Heer did not really keep Premeer are one during the Sanjana mode...Remember she did end up doubting Prem...When Prem tells her the real story about Sanjana...she gets relieved and kinda blurts out 'Prem maine socha Sanjana...' and Prem cuts her in between and says 'iska matlab hai vishwas hamara kam hai'......

oh c'mon, rakph! that's like saying that hey! there's a prem drop in a heer-faith ocean. 😆 nope, she was the one keeping it honest and whole. during sanjana, i remember feeling totally irritated with prem for getting manipulated by a (then-nice) gayatri-mom to not telling heer. once again, my question was: what the heck was he afraid of??? why is prem always soooo afraid of being open with heer?? at least, heer was forced by the gementor to swear not to tell prem anything. prem didn't have such a compulsion on his head during sanjana, no? that was just gayatri-mom giving him advice?

i'm not really understanding this part 'bout prem -- his reason for not forcing ''hot button issues'' ever with heer. all i can think of is.... prem knows that heer considers him her god. and he doesn't want to do things that might change her view? the problem being that of course, these are things that he thinks are hot button issues. man! prem is such an over-protective duffer! pity the two -- being over-protective and duffer -- don't go hand in hand, no? 😆

I am not too sure anymore E...I feel my Prem and Heer have been tampered with...I used to think people will get better and better day by day....But here toh opposite has happened...Prem and Heer have started off as the best people out there....and slowly got degraded into NOT so best anymore...I haven't watched much of the other shows...But may be this is the way it works...

well, i guess is funny how i think the opposite-ish, no? what made them the ''best people'' before? a love that got started and won the first round against evil? the first round, where their hearts are whole? and then? what were they supposed to do? remain that very same forever? no more battles?

that is never the way the story goes, no, rakph? there are multiple battles. and in each battle, people fight against new adversaries. new troubles. new evil. and they are using the same heart, the same love. personally, i think that people are constantly changing -- they have to. i can't imagine a prem and heer who somehow remain untouched by the world around them. 'specially if their world is changing itself.

for me, i've always seen them win. through the hardest times. and i think all those tears they cried while fighting those battles washes away a bit of their heart. it's like in competitive sports -- when you start playing ultimate is the best time to score, and have fun. but after two hours, it's just a sheer struggle to keep the mind alive. to force the same jumps. and after you play many games, it's a thrill finding out that now the fatigue starts setting in after three and not two hours. does'nt mean that you didn't get kicked out of the first game 'cause you crashed and burned out of sheer fatigue.

prem and heer -- as prem said -- are humans, not gods. personally, the reason that i think heer walked out on prem, and prem let her! had something to do with the fact that all this time, since he took her hand in his and walked out of jzoo into the little chawl -- she has been -- if i may put it as crudely as this -- ''paying him back'' for that demonstration of his love for her. she has never ever faltered -- even when he was not there. and after all this time, she is heart-weary 'cause it has been her heart that has held fast and never asked him a question, or cast a doubt on his actions. i think heer walked out 'cause she is too tired to uphold prem-heer-are-one alone. not 'cause she doesn't believe in it. and i think that if she never came back, i'd understand her completely.

but being heer, she will come back. after all, prem has said so, no? 😃

so given the totally ephemeral nature of the human heart and what it can do, personally, i despise the use of the word ''degraded'' on human beings. the only one degraded human being that i know of is adolf hitler and his top management team. they were degraded human beings.

for the rest, we are all just ... human. made of bones and muscles and sinew. both of which can't be stressed for too long -- 'cause they are bound to fail. prem-heer have held out for longer than i have seen any other pair of lovers - ever. and i think they are the best. were the best. i am not their creator, so i don't know 'bout the future.

but s'how? i think they'll remain the best. 😃

*giving a real mangoe-y hug to rakphoooh 'cause i think she needs it* and rakph? if i hadn't eaten all the mangoes, i'd have given you ... half of a piece. really! 😆 never even said that to anyone else before... 🤗

see you later?

Originally posted by: shantaus

shanta! finally i get to your post! phew... 😆

do you see why I am all scared to watch the show(remember your comments. dear....)

See my heart is little delicate right now... ' I mean... once it starts aching it takes long to stop'

ya, i know the feeling. 'specially when it comes to anything that hurts prem-heer, no? for some reason, though, i thought i was tougher than this... guess i was wrong. 😃

I am still not watching the show.. Your version of telling the story is much gentler on me than ekta's episodes.🤗.🤗🤗🤗 So till Prem-Heer get back on their feet I will watch the show only though your btlt..

hey! don't do that -- my bt,lt is sometimes kinda twisted? no?

I don't think love is such a simple equation.. love means trust.. No trust no love.. be it an eternal love!!.. there is only so much your brain can take no matter what your heart says (I know it is other way around, most of the time heart take over brain..)

wow! that is exactly what i thought. that it's a whole more complex than that.
like the way you put it: is not a simple equation... ⭐️

Veera's death making me very sad for two reasons.. Well may be 3 reasons.. Well may be 4...

😆 so did you finally decide how many it is?? 😆

sorry if I appear rude'. All my reasons lead to only one unresolved question in my mind' "Veera died before realizing her mistakes, without regretting what all others had to pay for her selfish mottoes". some of you may feel death is an ultimate punishment .. Well, not to me!!!

*sigh* well, i think that not having known her husbands love through her life - and only realising it in the end must've been really hard on her when she died, no? and i agree, death is not the ultimate punishment. i think living with your regrets is much worse, no? which is why i thought it'd have been really cool if nihaal died too. but poor guy, that was not to be... 🤔

This is most I fear about this serial' that evil seem to win most of the time. Well Veera dies without even suffering a bit quilt after all her evil plots caused damages' poor nihal.. Now that veera is gone, I doubt if Gmom and Maya truth is come out!!! If at all it ever comes out, it would be too late by then. Like Veera's abortion truth .. Even if family comes to know, do you think that will make any difference ?? *sigh**

well, can i say it like this: evil seems to control things a lot of the time. but victory? victory has always been on prem-heer's side -- donchya think?

on the truth coming out: mom says that the moment a lie sits with more than one person, it has a bad habit of coming out into the open. and here, lots of people know about vitchface's ''truth'' -- the trouble is that her being dead means she will get a lot of sympathy rather than censure? gaali-maa's role in setting up samir-in-leather is definitely something that can come out -- after all, samir-in-leather did receive and make calls to her phone, no?

and maya? her role in instigating vitchface to an abortion was clear -- she was with vitchface at the doctor's. the doctor saw her encouraging vitchface to have an abortion?

real problem is what you did say: even if everything is known - how will it matter? i'm just miffed that prem and heer will be spending time away from each other, despite being one... 😛

anytime we wish for something deep from our heart'. it goes exactly against our wish in this serial. I soooo wish... my heart could stop wishing ''' '..

it's funny how I wished G-mom is faking.. I wished I see that regret in Veera's eye.. I wished this IG-Idiot could help Heer get to the root of this sameer-in-leather 'I wished Ash-IG-Idiot-fall-in-love'. Now I wish Heer regrets!!! did my heart wish again? Iam sorry!!! **sigh**

😃 is okay to wish. is human. of course, i am the person who is hopelessly hopeful 'bout prem -heer-are-one. i would say that, no?? 😆 me? i happen to think that wishing for something shows more heart and life and soul than not wishing for things. once you get to a can't-wish state of life, you must be in such a horrid place, no?? *shiver* at least, that's what i think hell must be like. where you just don't feel like wishing for things anymore... 😕

I am so tempted to watch. I know HC the brilliaat was unrealistically-fantastic in mourning for Veera's death clip that Kushi made, thanks to lana for sharing that with me. I am sure Aditi must have rocked with her magic too!!! But my hearty so not ready for another ache so I will wait for Prem-Heer to get back on their feet before I go back the watch the rest!!!

good strategy, i guess. me? i've got the curiosity and patience ... of a cat! i must find out now! which is why i just can't bring myself to read unfinished fanfics -- drives me crazy not to know the ending. to have to wait for it! 😆 bad i am, no?

Estee.. I respectfully disagree with you on this one honey!!!

I so agree with Raksha. If you take all the trackes in chronological order from April-2008, it was prem who held Prem-Heer-Are-One-Falg higher than Heer most of the times. It is always him who is more open in the relation, yes, even in the Sanjana's track (do you remember he wants to tell her everything but our Heer-The-Mahan close his mouth with her tender palm.. yes I bit upst with heer tight .. sorry if shows .)

and Prem Hea(d/rt) hole is a big blooper to me..

'kay, so i guess we disagree here, respectfully or otherwise! 😆 - 'cause if that was a blooper, then my head'd logically write off everything as a blooper.

I love you so much Estee for being such a strong support for my heart's prem-heer-are-One belief. Yes this is belief not a hope!!! 👏

er... i'm glad i could help. but y'know? you don't have to love me for that... not sure i'm worth it. seriously, i'm a real grouch in the mornings when i get mom tea. and i never share alphonso mangoes ... with anyone! really bad i am. 😆

Originally posted by: vrinda16

And yes, Prem-Heer-r-one....

Btw, did you see yesterday's episode???Waiting for ur bt,lt on it.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

ephtee can we hold special prayers this weekend that Premeer daughter must not be named veera please??? 🤣

Originally posted by: atop

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

atop!!!! love baaaaaaaackkkkk!!!! *reaching over with a hug somewhat gingerly 'cause i remember that atop knows tae-kwon-do hugs... 😆*