Episode 215 Discussion: 9th March 2013 - Page 11

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


Are you telling me that RK doesn't understand what pain is, what rejection is and what suffering is? Hasn't he dealt with these feelings in the past 17 years?

He should be in a better position to understand all these things right away...



This is where the revenge plot clunk comes in. If he knows pain and suffering, why would he take revenge on Madhu in the first place? But we know that he knows what pain is. Then why did he break her so much with his prem game? All of this implies that, we are simply to turn a blind eye to the betrayals and hurt from his past if we have to convince ourselves of this redemption track.

Honestly, all of this makes very less sense.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: undisclosed

sri...i'm trying to find something to illustrate that dream RK had...but am comng up with nothing...


Okay let me write something and then you might get the idea. I am going by Peach's analogy. She termed his dream as Insecurities. His insecurity is always about losing his loved one.

Its very complex and muddled the way he took the revenge. Part of his subconscious allowed that conscious revenge because that removes his fear of losing Madhu as his loved one. And for that he consciously also wants to maintain that Madhu is not his loved one and he can live all alone in all glory of the life he created for himself.

But he is really breaking down with all kinds of incoherence in his present psyche. That he is being wrong, his subconscious knows and his conscious is able to accept when someone is pointing fingers at him. However as many observed, why not just accept he loves her.

This is where my guesswork starts. His whole edifice of not loving anyone, not making anyone that precious to himself has to be brought down. His issue was that he would be abandoned when he keeps loving his loved one. So he is not loving anyone and no abandonment. But then he now feels that he is dying from within. Now I really do not know why when drunken he said he is dying from within...was he dying because 1) Madhu is no more 2) He abandoned Madhu 3) He feels he lost something precious

Now in today's dream, Madhu comes to him, beckons him, but he sees her hypnotized and drawn to another stronger force, a man who is ready to kill him should RK come in between to fight him. The dream was like RK was left with no choice but to lose Madhu inspite of the fact that Madhu still calls him and is concerned for him as that man strikes him. As in he is compromised to simply lose Madhu and die anyways. Can he just accept this truth of his losing love or not being reciprocated in love just love keep loving Madhu ? Can I hope for that ? Is it too much to ask ? because then his insecurity will go away. But who knows what CVs have planned for him...turning one kind of insecurity into another insecurity...

Enough of my ramble...should not think too much 😆

ETA:
Plus in his dream...he called her his BIWI...again sense of relationship/ownership that cannot be snatched away from him...and yet he is losing her. He is again being his own enemy. He has no biwi and he cannot experience any kind of loss and yet he wants to go through that loss...for what...obviously to realize that he loves his Biwi.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


Are you telling me that RK doesn't understand what pain is, what rejection is and what suffering is? Hasn't he dealt with these feelings in the past 17 years?

He should be in a better position to understand all these things right away...


Oops!! I did not factor that in. These days, we see only RK the Superstar who is not supposed to have any kind of defeats in his life. My error.

Can I rephrase all the three into one...Pain, suffering for not being reciprocated in love. Does that make sense ? That is what MAdhu's pain is...not having ever been loved by him. Doesn't RK also have to know that, understand what it is to be rejected, that pain, that suffering...stemming from unrequited love... In his abandonments, atleast...parents part, he knew they loved him.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: kodai


Ok... But didn't he already experience all those with his 3 dhokas ?


I just explained that to Zoya


For that to happen first he has to understand what is pain, what is rejection and what is suffering from unreciprocated love (unrequited love), the pain that Madhu went through.

ETA: Added the red portion for clarity
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Posted: 12 years ago
Very good episode and AR was fantastic.👏👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Ananya05



This is where the revenge plot clunk comes in. If he knows pain and suffering, why would he take revenge on Madhu in the first place? But we know that he knows what pain is. Then why did he break her so much with his prem game? We are simply to turn a blind eye to his betrayals and hurt from the past if we have to convince ourselves with his redemption.

Honestly, all of this makes very less sense.


😆 That's the million-dollar question which has me stumped till date!!!! But alas!!! the man was able to over-ride and inflict the pain knowing very well what he is doing to her... Didn't he say how he wants her to be pained, broken,etc,etc during the Padmini curse scene... I don't really know the details of the scene very correctly...

Ok... According to me, he thinks his revenge game flopped...The girl is putting up a brave facade in front of him.. He is thinking that he was unable to break her...
Actually speaking, the moment this girl is going to show her pain to him, everything would come crumbling down for him...
One tear of hers in the chaanta lagaa episode, followed by the subsequent sobs he heard, he melted down...
Is any of it making sense to you... I am not able to coherently put it down but in my head it is making perfect sense... Am not too good with words:(
And lastly, the man is overworking his brain cells...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Sultan is a complan boy 👍🏼
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Posted: 12 years ago

thanks for the help shri...after way too much thinking on my side...i had a melt down all i could hear was cinderella singing...

i think its time i take a break now😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
Yes Syl,
A dream is a wish your heart makes, or rather the subconscious makes when we sleep. So true for Rishabh Kundra 😆 😆



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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: kodai

Hello !! Loved all the discussion today. Again, this place is such a fountainhead of ideas/insights :)


" People with BPD are seen as untreatable, as attention seekers, manipulators, liars and many other awful things by professionals who don't understand at all".

Another random thought, again to justify the revenge drama by CV's-
What if a person like RK ( hardened, cynical) would never have let their guard down and fallen for Madhu in normal circumstances, inspite of all care and concern from Madhu ( see he didn't forgive his mom for 16 years) . The only reason he let himself come close to her was his thinking that it'a all a game and I can walk away when I want to.


intriguing thought 😳 Kodai, I very well understand the need for revenge drama, I can justify it on RK's behalf..what is hard to digest is RK's failed acknowledgement of love pre & post revenge drama...actually it happened too quick, the transition b/w RK the lovesick puppy to RK the man on revenge mission and now this man caught in the web of i love Madhu/I hate Madhu , i'm concerned for Madhu / I cannot accept Madhu ..it's getting crazier...the CV's should put a full stop to it and make him realize his mistake ..at least the confusion will be cleared reg. his state of mind...

@ reg. RS FB message on redemption, RS is right that his redemption has JUST STARTED...okay he has not yet admitted in front of Radha and Bittuji but he HAS admitted to Madhu and himself that he loves Madhu..he did it while they were drunk, he did it on the outdoor shoot, he did it in the chawl and he did it yest. in front of Dipali (that's another issue ke us gadhi ko samajh hi nahi aaya 😆)...If that was not the case, he wouldn't be waiting for Madhu outside the chawl and made it obvious to her that he was worried for her...Madhu is unaffected , that's none of my concern, that she has to...for us, redemption/resurrection will start when he tries to win Madhu back...but for that he has to go through this painful phase of rejection & suffering as Madhu will neither trust his love or show sympathy to his pain...he will hit the lowest 😭 emotionally , personally & professionally ..

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