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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

I saw the entire episode again...I don't know why I saw shades of movie cruel intentions or more appropriately "Les Liaisons dangereuses" there. Maybe I am going crazy but everything ties very neatly with that particular plot and it would fall within the acceptability limits of Indian viewers.There is no revenge hence RK remains redeemable.

Essentially the original plot revolves around a bet. The hero wants his first love back who is a cynical manipulative person. She sets him a task to bespoil a virtuous person in order to win her. The couple zero in on a simple righteous paragon of virtue who considers hero beneath her. Hero manages to slowly and gradually seduce his prey but ends up falling deeply in love with her. The girl is so deeply in love that she offers to sleep with him against her beliefs but he refuses and asks for forgiveness much like in the show. The original girlfriend realizes this and start blackmail that she will show the letters athat showed the plan to the girl thus making her forego everything that is good. In order to protect the girl from evil, hero breaks her heart and sends her away. Hero is broken and becomes reclusive. He spurns his original love and his gf tells him that she was aware that he was in true love so she forced him to give it up as she could not bear for him to have that happiness. The hero eventually dies in the original story but before that he publishes those letters in newspaper thus humiliating his original girlfriend and preventing any more heartbreaks to be caused by her manipulations. The girl too dies eventually of fever and heartbreak.

In our story, I think Dips bet RK that he could not win everyone and people do not fall in true love. He decided to prove it by seducing Madhu who hated him with vengeance. It gave him satisfaction of being right as well afforded him an opportunity to humiliate Madhu. However things went awry after Ganesh Visarjan because he actually started falling in love with her. He meant it when he confessed his love and realized he could not do what he set out to do to Madhu. Her love for him was true as was his for her. His belief strengthens when Madhu forgives after knowing about love test. Dips realizes the same too and begans to threaten him of telling everyone the truth including Maliks and Radha. He knows that if Maliks and Radha find out , it will break Madhu completely. He is stalling consummation as way to hold onto Madhu and finding a way out of his current situation. His plan to run away from it all but Dips will catch onto it and force him to give Madhu up. My guess is he will tell her the truth to break her heart and drive her away in pheras. He does not want to marry under false pretensions and shadow of lies and protect thier families. Only Madhu is stronger than she looks ...she might decide to stick around and redeem him. Also here Dips is already aware that RK is not interested in her and Madhu is half married to RK. Also we have Maliks and Radha in the equation who seem to understand Rishbala love for each other.

Originally posted by: Ananya05

Puja(right?),
Its a very interesting theory that you presented here. From what I understand, what you are trying to say is that the bet between RK and Dips started after studio night. Right? My only concern is, I cannot recall a single incident where RK has tried to woo or seduce Madhu or flirt with her before the Ganesha track,which was when he actually started falling for her.

Also, if this theory comes true, it will be a very weak portrayal of male lead. His ex-gf blackmailing him to such vulnerability, makes RKs character too feeble for my liking.

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

I saw the entire episode again...I don't know why I saw shades of movie cruel intentions or more appropriately "Les Liaisons dangereuses" there. Maybe I am going crazy but everything ties very neatly with that particular plot and it would fall within the acceptability limits of Indian viewers.There is no revenge hence RK remains redeemable.

Originally posted by: _charu_

i still can't make out anything ..this is the first time he was THIS close to her...and he backed out...woh bhi giving a weird reaction..as if something big held him back..if 7 phere was the reason, he wud have gone all the way...ananya ur right...in all other instances, it was abt physical intimacy, this time it was consummation..he was never intimate with her as in never kissed her or touched her but this time he was willing to go ahead 😕

chalo, at least a few speculations will die their natural death..ke Madhu will get pregnant etc. etc. n they will reunite bec. of their kid etc. etc. Madhu will know about her pregnancy after entering bollywood etc. etc. 😆

Ananya plz itna mat socho 😆 u know this tension rubs off to me n phir se i'll go back to my gloomy mood, meri family darr jayegi

okay tell me how my VM was..ab ye na kehna ke RK is faking it..let the mystery unfold...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0N3SZCr7aU[/YOUTUBE]

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

I saw the entire episode again...I don't know why I saw shades of movie cruel intentions or more appropriately "Les Liaisons dangereuses" there.

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

I made sense through lot of talking (6 hours of talking)...that yesterday I was upset at thinking RK faking his love for Madhu and taking her for a ride...which I equated to Sourabh Tewari taking me for a ride because I know for sure that RK loves Madhu and that cannot be unreal...that today I felt influenced by the word revenge by TB article. Sourabh Tewari or the Promo did not say or suggest revenge.

Yes...my talking with friends was about ...how does revenge fit in? What is the motive ? We were abhorring the word, cringing at the emotion it invoked in us.

Then we discussed, why RK would break Madhu's heart forgetting everything about marriage. I zeroed in on the point that I once said in ED thread...that

• Rishabh Kundra cannot be a spiritually enlightened person until he learns to let it go. His hurt, ego, his control...He will live in personal purgatory until he decides to have heaven for him. Question is why he is such a control freak ? Why he cannot be ordered ?
• Madhu cannot be fully compassionate person until she learns to understand the 360 degrees perspective of love. Her life has been too rosy with loved parents and everyone loving her for her nature. She needed to lose love to become emotionally sensitive person to hurt, to loss, to understand what hurt and loss means.

Madhu

Forceful hurt that RK gave by marrying her, she had courage from her mother and the sacrifice she made for her father. She never felt any loss and she fought Rishabh Kundra. It hurts most when you lose what you love and that too if the reason behind the loss is one you love the most. And Madhu...personally my complaint with her was, she is insensitive to emotions which though it makes a formidable person of her, it is not too good and doesn't make her an Understanding compassionate person rather than just being self-righteous person.

RK

All the things that Madhu forced over him...even if he liked her silently without confessing or was just obsessed and peaceful about her existence and presence besides him...are:

Post Studio Track

Ganesha track - She decided for him. He had no control.

She forced him to reconcile with Ganesha. He had to because he had no choice.

Initially I was ranting in ED thread like so many my other friends then...why would anyone force faith, following on an atheist. We had debated on it at length and I was like get it over with Ganesha track where Madhu keeps forcing him to something. For me setting an equation or repair of relationship with God is deeply personal and I felt bad that Madhu is doing it to RK. Ofcourse, I was not knowing why the track was being played and it ended in him surrendering himself before Ganesha, with no choice. The way it ended it swooped us off our feet...but my regret at heart-filled pleasure was that my good friends then, Peach, Bhoomi and FQ would not partake my pleasure and were like we will come back once this track done. Bhoomi left IF and FQ came back after Ganesha track and Peach was with me,,,,,but like no comments. I felt company in Hima, Sima, Zoya and Preet then.

Getting Shot Track and Shamsher Arrest Track - She decided to save his life and he might have repaid in kindness by 1) protecting her from loss of faith in father 2) when it came out by protecting her against his family's hostility.

She saved his life twice, and showed him her reasons why she did //that. He had to agree with all that. And in one long day and night of the day following his discharge from hospital...the jagraata track...he saw Shamsher coming to kill him. That night he understands how much she loves her father...and all goody goody things happening and following on to Shamsher Arrest Track.

He was fully in control of everything here and he gets to decide everything for her, except her saving his life.

Karwachouth Track - She decided for him and he has no control.

By this time, we the viewers are sold the love story and we like it. And I was like, I know by keeping the Vrat that HE HATES, she is forcing him to honor the marriage and which Rishabh cannot go back...as he cannot let her down. Like again leaving no choice. I knew that Rishabh hated Karwa Chouth and it will upset him. But in the name of love story, I knew Rishabh will set aside his hostility and principles with the custom and complete the Vrat for her.

What did he get to know of Madhu during Karwa Chouth ? That she can give up her life for her Zid. She is as reckless as him. And she was able to force out of him, which he never planned.

Question: Did he like that all ? As a viewer my mistake is...I never asked Rishabh Kundra...how do you feel ? Did you like it ? All that soft coercion ?

Maybe this is where things changed for Rishabh Kundra and he wanted to control Madhu's love story, instead of her controlling him...to which he was inadvertantly losing.

May be this is where he devised that test of love based...Will you come away with me. It hurt his ego when she turned it down...He got to know, through Trishna...what was stopping her from accepting his proposal. He fixed all her problems knowing then that she will come away with him.

What was again forceful was him reconciling with his mother...but now it was a small carrot to lose himself to her wish in his larger gameplan of controlling her.

An accident in the shape of Balraj happened for him. He could not lose her to Balraj and saves her. She is HIS to eternity, in love and in hate or may be until he lives. So he protected her from Balraj.

Now he is close to execute the final step of his plan...take her away...and ????? I don't know what happens now...what is his plan.

Understanding RK as Superstar and Movie Person

• He cares for his Public Image and will avoid scandal at any cost. He CREATES HIS OWN IMAGE in Media like many real life Movie Stars...like Shahrukh Khan created one for himself.
• I equate RK to two Filmstars that I know

1) Shahrukh Khan - He has said...he is hyper and every morning when he gets up he needs to be someone else other than Shahrukh. He doesn't have the confidence, satisfaction being Shahrukh, the way his wife Gauri is self-assured and at peace with herself. He says, he always acts out, while she is natural and never needs to be an actor...happy in being herself.

He feels stabilized through Gauri's presence in his life.

2) GuruDutt - He was creative, complex and morose person, though extremely smart and creative. He married the beautiful Geeta Roy and made her sacrifice her career as he allowed her to sing only in his films and then he developed withdrawal symptoms and withdrew from her. GuruDutt was also suicidal and tried two times earlier before finally committing suicide after he completely wrecked himself and sort of wrecked Geeta Dutt. They turned mutually destructive to each other.

There are stories of most Cinema people, how different they are at home and how totally unlike any regular person. They mostly are insecure people and very conscious of their Public Image.

Sourabh Tewari and VD have said that MEIEJ is about what happens once "Light, Action and Camera" goes down...as is what happens once the actor comes away from Light, Action and Camera. What he is like ? What is their life like ?

Now, I have never imagined a easy story behind Rishabh Kundra. I knew he had to be difficult person, a complex person like Virginia Woolf, James Joyce...as in being depressed or being extremely creative forgetting everything else.

When Sourabh Tewari had no love story in mind, may be he intended to show us this publically different RK who is media savvy person, but total opposite in private life. And he would have continued with that.

Now ST may be he is planning to go to the original story and show RK in true light...which he cannot to anyone as he is private person. He might show himself to Madhu in full as she has been successful in crossing the moat around his fortified castle of himself and also broken his walls. May be the premise is ...precisely at this point, RK intervened and turned chameleon and gaurded Rishabh...with a condition...to let Madhu see real Rishabh only if Madhu gets ready to see him as he is ...all in his badness, his flaws, his ego, his control, his self-destructive traits ...or perhaps may be not...

Madhu will now have to know this person...the Rishabh which the world does not know...which is including the Bhatias and Bittuji. But Madhu will never understand a person like him fully within his world because she is not from the world of cinema nor she is an artist to understand complexities of artistic life. May be it really hurt Rishabh Kundra when Madhu called him JAANWAR and he set out to show himself as ONE to her. So may be hurting her this way will make her stay back by her choice and invest herself to accept complexities of movie star's life.

Question you will ask me...She was already accepting him...then why faking drama...The answer I have is ...he was not getting a way to tell her that SHE CANNOT DECIDE FOR HIM, that SHE CANNOT CONTROL HIM. She was winning over him leaving no choice and further FATE and CIRCUMSTANCES were AGAINST HIM and they seemed always to help her. And SHE WAS CLOSE TO GET HIM KNOW HIS REAL HIM.

Still...I am with you all...I understand a break, a hurt, a punishment...but I still don't get the word revenge fully...I seem to get it and then fail. All I know is that...only he can control her and he can decide for her. So if love should have happened, it should have been him and not her forcing it out of him.

*************Just my musings along with what I talked with friends**************************